08:01 <Oksana> So far, Fxtec with its Pro1. But Sailfish OS is a poor thing, flawed due to lack of well-designed apps. Being a stowaway with libhybris isn't the greatest part, either.

08:24 <sixwheeledbeast> There isn't one

08:25 <sixwheeledbeast> It's looking like the closest thing this decade maybe the pine if they do release the keyboard version they hinted at.

08:30 <sixwheeledbeast> it does seem a sensible solution having a replacement backcover for keyboard then you have the option for either device

08:31 <sixwheeledbeast> very different to the n900 where the mainboard and domepad where together and display unit separate.

08:32 <sixwheeledbeast> leste still isn't fremantle tho but we'll see.

11:13 <sicelo> :-)

11:13 <sicelo> help us/them

11:13 <sicelo> i love Leste for staying as true as possible to Fremantle

11:14 <sicelo> they've got Qt working now (Qt5)

11:16 <sicelo> fmg is almost done with osso-abook, so Leste should quite soon have the same contacts/phone/sync integration as Fremantle had

11:58 <sixwheeledbeast> Yer it wasn't meant to sound negative.

12:03 <sixwheeledbeast> it's just a lot of work to make most of what people have from maemo-extras history supported or compatible with leste, for example.

12:03 <atk> I have a pine

12:03 <atk> although I am waiting for them to release the new hardware model with a blank back

12:04 <atk> I don't really want one with a logo

12:04 <atk> The one I currently have is the early model with a bunch of power-management bugs in hardware

12:04 <atk> It's an interesting solution they developed to prototyping and testing

12:04 <atk> release an early prototype as a developer version

12:04 <atk> get a 1000 eyes to spot all your hardware bugs and how to fix them

12:05 <atk> And it still impresses me how cheap they managed to do it all

12:05 <sixwheeledbeast> some of extras is now junk I suppose but even so

12:05 <atk> although I think a lot of that is down to the fact that they have shenzhen at their disposal

12:05 <sixwheeledbeast> It comes with pmOS right?

12:05 <atk> It comes with a variety of OSes depending on which community edition is currently being sold

12:05 <atk> currently I think they're doing PMos but they did UBPorts too

12:06 <atk> I started work to get voidlinux running on it after I was a bit unhappy with the other options (I really don't want systemd but I also don't want openrc)

12:06 <atk> But I stopped for now and decided to focus work on developing a nice UI library

12:06 <atk> someone else has thankfully picked up where I left off and I think the voidlinux pinephone port is coming soon,

12:14 <sixwheeledbeast> i assumed leste was still sysv?

12:15 <atk> yes

12:15 <atk> sysv, openrc, I don't like either

12:16 <sixwheeledbeast> i'd be lost without hildon ux on a mobile device. Everything else seems clunky but i suppose I am biased.

12:16 <sixwheeledbeast> in thoery it would run any init you want from devuan.

12:18 <sixwheeledbeast> void is runit, which i believe is also supported

12:19 <atk> hmm

12:19 <atk> fair enough

12:19 <atk> I also don't quite like hildon

12:19 <atk> and also, it seems like they want to make everything integrate together like maemo

12:19 <atk> with a lot of old code

12:19 <atk> It seems like a lot of work

12:20 <atk> I'm a bit happier putting that effort into fresh code than trying to resurrect maemo unfortunately.

12:20 <atk> I have nothing against mamemo of course but I am just too unfamiliar with the code and too unfamiliar with debian to really feel motivated to work on it.

12:24 <sixwheeledbeast> I do like runit over most of the other init options must admit.

12:26 <sicelo> atk: as much as i love maemo/hildon, i also like to at least check out other options. what's the UI you are talking about? anywhere i can check it out?

12:27 <atk> no, not yet

12:28 <atk> I'm writing a serialisation/deserialisation library right now which I'm going to be using to implement something in the UI library and the UI library hasn't gotten very far yet

12:28 <atk> but

12:29 <atk> http://ix.io/2xDD/lua - the idea is to be able to describe the UI in lua

12:29 <atk> a bit like HTML but purpose built to be entirely client side

12:29 <atk> the idea is also to have a sort of styling language which is more like a bunch of functions

12:30 <atk> it's combination of concepts from functional programming and HTML

12:30 <atk> So a bit closer to XUL for example

12:30 <atk> I haven't finalized the design really

12:30 <atk> But I need to get some underlying libraries working first to be able to prototype this better

12:32 <atk> The biggest sticking point is font rendering

12:33 <atk> I really doubt it will take off, but if I can get it working and write a UI with it it would make it so easy to modify things and create new things.

12:33 <atk> And with a very small amount of code.

12:35 <atk> I think this could also be done with scheme

12:35 <atk> But I am marginally more familiar with lua

12:35 <atk> and I know how to write libraries in C which you can call into from lua

12:37 <atk> In a few months if things turn out well and I end up having as much as spare time as I would like then I might have something to show for

14:55 <Joerg-Neo900> sounds a bit like qtml

17:24 <atk> well there's a bunch of things which are like it

17:24 <atk> but I don't like any of them

23:10 <Oksana> >> it does seem a sensible solution having a replacement backcover for keyboard then you have the option for either device << Question is, mass distribution. If main unit is in display half, then what do you put into keyboard to make keyboard heavier than display half?