06:28 <Oksana> Regarding >> tight. 2013-11-02 Feasibility Study Neo900; Patent Filed: Jun 14, 2013. Then otoh while Neo900 always did cover the monitoring methods GSMK discribes in their patent (even before the patent got filed), we also go way beyond that approach, employing dedicated monitor hardware <<

06:29 <Oksana> First, I do not understand, is it second of November, or 11th of February? If the latter, then fighting >> this patent https://patents.justia.com/patent/9191823 << is probably feasible.

06:35 <Oksana> Either way, this patent describes an algorithm that automagically detects suspicious activities and enacts defense measures. In Neo900, autmagic isn't necessary - user may manually decide whether to disable modem or not.

06:37 <Oksana> And, patent's "baseband monitor" doesn't monitor modem's antenna - it monitors things like power consumption. Arrgh, "It has to be noted that this list is not limited to the listed options." takes care of that.

06:42 <Oksana> So far, the easiest way out of the patent is a mobile phone which has only baseband processor, no application processor - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John%27s_Phone

21:35 <Joerg-Neo900> YYYY-MM-DD ISO

21:35 <Joerg-Neo900> so November

21:38 <Joerg-Neo900> the patent describes a design that employs AP and BB to fight threats coming in OTA, while Neo900 is a completely different approach treating BB as a rogue blackbox and sandboxing it, with absolutely zero trust in any info the BB provides deliberately

21:39 <Joerg-Neo900> then otoh the patent also has no complete trust even in own APE, yet assumes a process on APE could reliably detect any unusual behavior. In my book that's a paradox

21:40 <Joerg-Neo900> Neo900 assumes APE is 100% trustworthy as long as user doesn'T compromise its integrity. While BaseBand is a rogue blackbox

21:41 <Joerg-Neo900> ^^^ is the reason why we don't need hw switches

21:42 <Joerg-Neo900> if your APE is so terribly tken over that you can't know if your software controlled transistor behaves the way it's supposed to, to power down the modem, then you got worse problems than a modem that'S not powered down

21:43 <Joerg-Neo900> yet Neo900 would still let user know about even that totally pathological situation, by shining a "powered-up" LED that's not supposed to shine

23:58 <Oksana> I still think that a "no AP, only BB" phone would be entirely outside the scope of this patent. But this would be a very strange device, to install applications on, to use, and whatever else

23:59 <Oksana> Regarding November, yes, that would be difficult. Unless there is some earlier (Neo900 or not) documentation about the idea before the patent is filed, to show that their idea is not novel - that it has been thought of before.