04:22 <Oksana> chomwitt: As far as I see, there is no phone on the 'respects your freedom' list: http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/endorsement/respects-your-freedom Also, the certification is somewhat flawed, as in, I would have expected https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_NanoNote to be here, too

04:23 <Oksana> FSF tends to "okay" black-box immutable hardware (such as, cellular modem, as long as its firmware cannot be updated/upgraded) as long as any updateable software is open-source?

04:25 <__Chris> Maybe my brain will get this "respecting your freedom" certification too.

04:25 <Oksana> Neo900 cellular modem's firmware can be upgraded, if I remember correctly, but the firmware has to be signed by the manufacturer (so user - or malware - cannot put just anything onto the cellular modem). It's better for protecting from vulnerabilities discovered in the future, even though it's not

04:26 <__Chris> Propritary firmware and can't be upgraded neither :-)

04:26 <Oksana> Ryf is very much software-oriented. It doesn't insist on open-source hardware.

04:26 <Oksana> "ideal open-source".

04:27 <Oksana> FSF's Ryf: they say the hardware must run free software on every layer that is user upgradeable, allow the user to modify that software, support free data formats, be fully usable with free tools, and more.

04:27 <Oksana> If it's not user-upgradeable, then it can run proprietary software, and be Ryf-approved

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20:48 <atk> Joerg-Neo900

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20:48 <atk> DocScrutinizer05:

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20:48 <n1x_> Dude epic troll xDDD

20:48 <atk> thanks

20:48 <l_bratch> thanks :)

20:48 <varu> \o/

20:48 <l_bratch> it's also in #winehackers

20:48 <l_bratch> so it's not just this channel

20:49 <atk> it's freenode wide as usual

20:49 <l_bratch> we've been getting the same on our network lately

20:49 <l_bratch> seems to be quite bad this year

20:50 <l_bratch> btw, merry christmas #neo900 :)

20:58 <Joerg-Neo900> atk: /msg chanserv access $chan list

20:58 <xmn> Merry Christmas fellow pocket linux folks!! I guess this troll is a bot or something.

20:58 <Joerg-Neo900> merry xmas everybody

20:59 <Joerg-Neo900> sorry offline again. VNC via 3G :-/

21:02 <xmn> :), better than nothing Joerg-Neo900

21:05 <atk> Joerg-Neo900: cool, thanks