<deasy_>
as we say in French, better later than never
<deasy_>
late*
<adj_>
maybe this sounds rude, but i feel that they don't mind making chinese crappy staff forever
<jero>
maybe it's the house norm so they don't see it
<adj_>
china can't compete on price for ever, others will take their position, if they want to compete with usa, japan or korea, they need to compete on quality
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<deasy_>
i have heard from popolon than rockchip do it better ?
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<adj_>
isn't rockchip allwinner?
<jero>
adj_: i still know some american manufacturers that do their drivers in shell scripts
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<adj_>
copy pasting copyrighted material is easier, why write shell scripts?
<jero>
:)
<deasy_>
okay i must admit the site web of rockchip is not what i will call professionnal...it looks ridiculous
<deasy_>
maybe should i judge soc company by their website ?
<deasy_>
their site is cheap
<jero>
it looks futuristic
<deasy_>
i don't even see any page for developpers/documentation
<Turl>
why would they need one?
<Turl>
their business is selling turnkey solutions, as to say
<deasy_>
both have similar cheap website
<deasy_>
i would personnaly not be their customer, seeing this
<Turl>
you couldn't be either (unless you have some big, hidden bags with money around)
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<oliv3r>
plaes: lol
<oliv3r>
i'm not supprised
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<oliv3r>
g'ay paul
<oliv3r>
g'day too
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<paulk-collins>
oliv3r, ha!
<paulk-collins>
oliv3r, good day too
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<kurain>
hello all, I am trying mainline kernel for sun6i, but I have on question, do we have axp221 power management for mainline kernel?
<kurain>
or how could we config it to power on external chip if we use it to manage power charge
<kurain>
now I am checking the dts file, I haven't found any device that use it
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<codekipper>
kurain, Hi...I'm interested in the loft-q board...Do you boot it via fel or sdcard?
<plaes>
he's gone
<codekipper>
plaes: no worries....I'll save my money for another dya
<codekipper>
day
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<paulk-collins>
hey, do you guys know how I could automatically add config options to the U-Boot config without changing any file on the tree? That is, some kind of menuconfig where I would provide a config file, which would be added to the current config
<Turl>
paulk-collins: can't you just provide a boot.scr?
<paulk-collins>
I mean the u-boot kconfig
<paulk-collins>
Turl, for instance, enabling CONFIG_OLD_SUNXI_KERNEL_COMPAT
<Turl>
but why do you want to touch uboot at all?
<Turl>
ah
<paulk-collins>
but with scripts
<paulk-collins>
not manually with menuconfig
<paulk-collins>
also, for some reason, defining CONFIG_OLD_SUNXI_KERNEL_COMPAT in sunxi-common.h doesn't make it apply to the SPL
<Turl>
there's a kconfig magic incantation to enable options without a gui iirc
<Turl>
paulk-collins: I thought the spl and uboot configs had been unified?
<paulk-collins>
Turl, they should be
<paulk-collins>
I don't understand why this happens
<paulk-collins>
and some defines from sunxi-common.h are used by the SPL
<paulk-collins>
but not CONFIG_OLD_SUNXI_KERNEL_COMPAT
<paulk-collins>
I have no idea why
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<erakis>
Hi, I'm using an Allwinner A20 board (Awsom). I've used the stock image Debian (supplied by Awsom) and I write it to the NAND using the Phoenix Tool Suit (Windows). I've cross-compile Qt 5.3 and I'm ready to use this image for production. Thus, is there a way to extract the image from the NAND to Phoenix format ? Or if I build an image on an SDCard is there a way to write it to the NAND quickly for production ? I take a look to th
<paulk-collins>
is the ethernet controller doing DMA on mainline?
<uaguy>
Hello and good evening. I try to run the universal allwinner uboot loader "20141215-sunxi-bootsetup-prototype-v5" on my regular cubietruck. It is supposed to load uboot and then the debian installer, showing a menu via hdmi. No hdmi, and the UART connection halts after "U-Boot [..] DRAM:".
<paulk-collins>
Turl, mhh I have an olinuxino-lime2 here
<paulk-collins>
that would be RTL8211CL
<ssvb>
uaguy: yes, it works on my cubietruck, but maybe your board is a little bit different and not quite compatible with these settings
<Turl>
paulk-collins: that's the phy, I meant gmac or emac?
<ssvb>
uaguy: does a regular mainline u-boot work fine on it?
<paulk-collins>
Turl, GMAC
<paulk-collins>
Turl, IIRC DMA support in mainline is incomplete, correct?
<paulk-collins>
I'm not up to date on this
<Turl>
paulk-collins: I think GMAC does DMA itself
<Turl>
paulk-collins: like MMC
<paulk-collins>
ah ok
<Turl>
paulk-collins: but ask wens to be sure
<uaguy>
ssvb: I never heard of different versions? Hmm, I successfully booted the images from igorpecovnik and some more linked on the sunxi debian images list
<Turl>
paulk-collins: emac iirc can use DMA via the DMA slave, but it doesn't on mainline
<paulk-collins>
well the thing is, I connected two 1000Mbps ethernet-enabled devices and I only get poor speeds
<paulk-collins>
Turl, alright, thanks
<uaguy>
ssvb: did hdmi work too for you, with that loader?
<Turl>
paulk-collins: well, it doesn't work to line rate, but you should be getting north of 300Mbps at least
<paulk-collins>
I'm very far from that
<Turl>
less than fast ethernet?
<paulk-collins>
about 10Mbps
<Turl>
are you using a non-crap cable?
<paulk-collins>
heh
<Turl>
sounds like it negotiated as low as it can go
<paulk-collins>
right
<paulk-collins>
maybe I'll check with another cable
<ssvb>
uaguy: not different versions, but individual tolerances of different boards
<Turl>
paulk-collins: if you have mii-tool have a look at the negotiated speed
<Turl>
(and it may be printed on dmesg too, not sure)
<uaguy>
paulk-collins: my method would be to check what link the connection uses, i.e. what LED indicator on the switch.. then try another switch or a direct connection to a computer?
<ssvb>
uaguy: yes, hdmi works, but hdmi gets initialized much later after dram
<paulk-collins>
Turl, says it negotiated 100
<uaguy>
ssvb: makes sense, I can't get hdmi that early.. I only see two lines of message altogether
<paulk-collins>
Turl, ahh, I was using compression in rsync
<Turl>
paulk-collins: that can kill performance as well
<Turl>
:)
<paulk-collins>
without compression it's now more around 80Mbps
<Turl>
paulk-collins: use iperf
<paulk-collins>
ok
<paulk-collins>
sorry for the noise then
<ssvb>
uaguy: it tries to run at a reduced voltage, lower dram clock speed and some other changes compared to the regular cubietruck dram setup
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<ssvb>
uaguy: kind of generic settings, which were expected to work with any board
<uaguy>
ssvb: So that means I can't use that loader, except messing with the internals and changing those settings to a safer limit for my particular board? Sounds like I can more or less forget that board..?
<ssvb>
uaguy: apparently your board is more picky
<ssvb>
uaguy: you can still rebuild u-boot and use that image
<uaguy>
Yes, I read a bit about the development process of that tool.. interesting read, but looks like a roadblock here? hmm..
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<ssvb>
uaguy: it could be that some minor tweak for the dram settings could make it work on your board too
<uaguy>
As you used it before: do you think with that Debian installer I'll be able to setup a "normal" Debian (wheezy), especially with an initramfs? Which is needed to have LUKS encryption, which is a must for me
<ssvb>
uaguy: I am not a debian guy myself, and this is just a current debian installer for arm from debian people
<ssvb>
uaguy: I have not tried to setup LUKS encryption with it yet
<uaguy>
Thanks ssvb. I'll just assume and hope it will work out once I would get that uboot to boot then.
<ssvb>
uaguy: you just need to configure u-boot for the Cubietruck, build it and dd to the sd card
<ssvb>
uaguy: and then copy /boot/setup/boot-a20.scr into /boot.scr
<ssvb>
uaguy: oh, in fact don't touch the *.scr files
<uaguy>
ssvb: As I have no cross-compiler set up any more, I should be able to do it on the cubietruck directly? I have a working Debian image I can SSH to. Maybe I can even recycle the (working) uboot things from there?
<ssvb>
uaguy: yes, there is also a pre-built u-boot binary on that sd card
<ssvb>
uaguy: in the /boot/setup/u-boot-binaries directory
<uaguy>
(talking about an entirely different SD-image here, with Debian)
<ssvb>
uaguy: I'm not sure if you can hot-swap the sd card
<uaguy>
ssvb: I meant to copy uboot files from one working image to the Debian-bootloader-image, and then trying to boot that one
<ssvb>
uaguy: you can use your desktop PC to mount the SD card and find the /boot/setup/u-boot-binaries/u-boot-sunxi-with-spl-Cubietruck.bin file there
<ssvb>
uaguy: and then dd this file manually to the SD card
<ssvb>
uaguy: using "dd if=u-boot-sunxi-with-spl-Cubietruck.bin of=/dev/sdX bs=1024 seek=8" (and replace /dev/sdX with the right device there)
<uaguy>
ssvb: sorry, was afk for a small emergency.. will try this now
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<uaguy>
ssvb: after managing to loop-mount other sd-card-images, I found out the working image I have apparently does not use an uboot at all.. Am I right to assume I only need the "setup" subfolder, where the Debian installer is in, and the "boot.scr" file, which starts the installer? So I could replace more or less everything else, to have a foreign bootfolder/uimage start the boot.scr file?
<uaguy>
sorry for all the newbieness here
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<ssvb>
uaguy: u-boot is used to boot from this sd card, it is written to raw sectors and not present as a file in the filesystem
<ssvb>
uaguy: yes, you can do a lot of various things
<ssvb>
uaguy: but the easiest is just to replace the bootloader using the dd command
<uaguy>
ssvb: this is madness! :-) thank you for the hint, I would have not thought of this.. probably explains why I can't mount every dd image I have
<uaguy>
ssvb: wow.. I was all happy when I saw "hey, just slap a bootable image onto an SD card, and the board boots from it automagically!". Seems like I was only partly right with that..
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<uaguy>
I give up, this would take days to figure out. I'll either get me a different platform (third try for my setup!) or pay some smart guy to get this running for me. Want a job, ssvb? ;-)
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<uaguy>
ssvb: Thank you for your help and patience. Learned something new today, even when this turns out to be a deadstop for me. Thank you! :-)
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<uaguy>
ssvb: Oh my gosh! I replaced the uboot with one directly from the Debian repos, now it boots up the installer-image! :-D
<uaguy>
..still no hdmi output, but looking good via UART. Thank you a ton! :-)
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<uaguy>
Thank you everybody, long days and pleasant nights!