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<kares> donV: hey! waiting for mkristian. he should do the jossl release today
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<dionysus69> hey java rubysts
<dionysus69> I want to ask this theoretical question, could I substitute java with jruby without having to worry about compatibility issues ? my question also encompasses this: is jruby at least as stable as java alone, or ruby alone? or do they create some friction and there are some extra thoughts to be given ?
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<chrisseaton> dionysus69: oh hello, was just talking to you in #ruby
<chrisseaton> dionysus69: I'm not sure what you mean by stability - do you mean crashing or something else?
<dionysus69> chrisseaton: haha ye I just saw it :) thanks
<dionysus69> ye like are there are extra bugs introduced through merging these 2 languages?
<chrisseaton> dionysus69: I don't think anyone's had a problem like that
<dionysus69> ok good to know. I might seriously consider jruby over plain java in case of the need and that need might arise soon so I am ready :)
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<dionysus69> also I tried to make a gui application in ruby only once and it was a nightmare, horrible documentation
<dionysus69> java helps in that allot
<chrisseaton> dionysus69: for GUIs these days I just write an HTML app and a local web server
<dionysus69> you mean you use rails ?
<chrisseaton> Or Sinatra or something
<dionysus69> or its a different approach, what do you mean by local web server? so a web server is embedded into every program executable?
<chrisseaton> Ah well if you want to distribute to random end users then it's more tricky
<chrisseaton> But for myself or anyone technical, or if I can control the environment, then yeah a little web server running local and the user goes to http://localhost:whater/
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<dionysus69> oh ye I like web application approach by far too, DOM and css make it heaven compared to Any standalone gui frameworks in any language
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<dionysus69> by the way, are there no gui frameworks that run on web server? it would be something like node but not only javascript
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<chrisseaton> Not sure
<dionysus69> would be cool though, would save humanity countless hours haha
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<kares> dionysus69: for GUI with JRuby look at shoes
<dionysus69> why use shoes with jruby, using java gui framework for gui was whole point of using jruby
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<kares> well, I'm not sure what you're trying to-do ... just a hint (btw. shoes wraps SWT)
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<chrisseaton> dionysus69: shoes is more idiomatic Ruby and simpler
<chrisseaton> SWT is suited for Java idioms
<dionysus69> I was thinking more about swing :)
<chrisseaton> Same thing with swing
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<GitHub71> [jruby] chrisseaton pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v2r3e
<GitHub71> jruby/master 5c187a3 Chris Seaton: [Truffle] Correct profile names.
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<GitHub23> jruby/master a67ade8 Benoit Daloze: [Truffle] Add LoopConditionProfile in Integer#times and cleanup.
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<GitHub115> [jruby] enebo opened issue #3705: Implement io/console for windows https://git.io/v2rR1
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<GitHub46> jruby/truffle-head 49cb6c7 Chris Seaton: Merge branch 'master' into truffle-head...
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<GitHub97> jruby/ruby-2.3 45e860c Thomas E. Enebo: Yard test exposed this mistake. this is for suffix handling and not base of the number
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<GitHub145> jruby/master b47bc93 Thomas E. Enebo: Yard test exposed this mistake. this is for suffix handling and not base of the number
<GitHub145> jruby/master 70e7046 Thomas E. Enebo: Fixes another issue with yard where it expects a bom to be prefixed to a kw as part of the value. MRI does this and we are just following the same somewhat broken behavior (see FIXME in commit for more details)
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<nirvdrum> headius: Are you around?
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<GitHub101> jruby/master a24830b Chris Seaton: [Truffle] @CompilerDirectives.TruffleBoundary -> @TruffleBoundary
<GitHub101> jruby/master dfee824 Chris Seaton: [Truffle] Separate finding the file and loading it in require.
<GitHub101> jruby/master fa59ae9 Chris Seaton: [Truffle] Tidy up FeatureLoader.
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<GitHub72> [jruby] nirvdrum commented on commit ceb153d: I don't think this was carried forward correctly, but I recall the rules here being a bit odd when I last ran into this with Hiro and Nahi so I could be wrong. The problem is, on Linux at least, `/tmp` is both writable and world_writable. So, it's skipped in this list and then `.` trivially passes in most cases. MRI handles that case by also checking the sticky bit, which is set for `/tmp`. I'd patch it, but I
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<headius> nirvdrum: I am now
<headius> fiddling with these red suites today
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<nirvdrum> I commented on the diff I was going to ask you about.
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<headius> hmm
<mrmargolis> nirvdrum: Update on that rails app from last week that was using all available memory under 9k but was fine on 1.7. Looks like it was related to the fog gem. Currently running great with that code replaced.
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<nirvdrum> mrmargolis: Interesting. I use fog with JRuby and haven't see the problem. But there are an awful lot of providers in there.
<headius> nirvdrum: I think you are right....the additional check we do may be unnecessary now
<mrmargolis> nirvdrum: Yeah, planning to dig into it more as time allows.
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<nirvdrum> headius: I was trying to work that out. Dir.mktmpdir no longer calls the secure delete. But I guess other code may.
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<nirvdrum> mrmargolis: I'm the unofficial JRuby ambassador on fog I guess, so if you come across something, please CC me on any issue.
<headius> nirvdrum: maybe they don't think toc/tou matters when we're just wiping out a tmp dir?
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<nirvdrum> headius: Well, whatever the extra check is, it was necessary for the JVM only. MRI passes the test because the sticky bit is set.
<nirvdrum> headius: I think this was the original issue: https://github.com/jruby/jruby/issues/405
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<nirvdrum> I think the fix at the time was a native / non-native split.
<headius> nirvdrum: it looks like nobu added the world_writable/sticky stuff in early 2012
<nirvdrum> Yeah. I was very confused by the diff.
<nirvdrum> Did we just actively not port that?
<headius> well at the time his change would have been on ruby trunk
<headius> in 2012 I guess that would have been 2.0 or 2.1
<nirvdrum> Right. I just figured it would've been picked up in 9k at some point.
<headius> so we probably tried to backport the change to our 1.9 stdlib, and then it carrier forward wierd once it came in with rest of stdlib
<nirvdrum> Instead of a week ago.
<headius> carried
<headius> ahh yes
<headius> but it wasn't getting copied
<headius> for whatever reason
<headius> that commit updated it and gets it copying, but then it's also double-checking world_writable
<headius> I'm going to just try a vanilla version from 2.3
<headius> bbl, need to upgrade my hd
<GitHub199> [jruby] headius pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v2oOo
<GitHub199> jruby/master 0f32042 Charles Oliver Nutter: Try reverting to stock 2.3 tmpdir.
<Antiarc> Bah. I just installed a fresh system and spent the last 2 hours trying to figure out if SELinux was making jruby dog-ass slow by causing network requests to time out or something. Nope, just entropy-starved.
<Antiarc> Would it be possible to have JRuby print out a warning to stderr if --dev is on and the system is low on entropy? Not sure if JRuby ever touches that but it would have saved me a few hours :)
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<GitHub186> jruby/master 22a1d60 Chris Seaton: [Truffle] Re-introduce check-arity factory.
<GitHub186> jruby/master bcfee12 Chris Seaton: [Truffle] Remove dead code in Arity.
<GitHub186> jruby/master 6216462 Chris Seaton: [Truffle] MarkerNode is dead code.
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<nirvdrum> Antiarc: I don't know of any way for it to know that.
<nirvdrum> The solution is probably to JRuby read from /dev/urandom instead of /dev/random.
<Antiarc> Yeah, I figured that might be too deep into the JVM platform specifics
<Antiarc> I'm not sure if it's jruby or java proper
<nirvdrum> It's the JVM.
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<nirvdrum> But it doesn't know either. It just does a blocking read from a file.
<Antiarc> yeah
<Antiarc> I guess maybe it would be possible to do some timing in SecureRandom and warn if reading from it takes too long
<Antiarc> But I don't know if it'd be worth the overhead
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<Antiarc> (I finally figured it out by dumping the process with jstack, and then I was suddenly reminded of the entropy issue)
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<nirvdrum> I think we should just move to /dev/urandom. Smarter people than me seem to think using /dev/random after the system has booted is a mistake. But, it's in the kernel docs that /dev/random is more secure, so I've yet to achieve buy-in.
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<Antiarc> My primary concern here is that other people may try jruby with poor entropy and conclude that it sucks because "gem" takes upwards of 10 minutes to run :)
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<nirvdrum> It was a problem for Selenium users, as well.
<Antiarc> Pretty easy to forget an entropy daemon on cloud machines, too
<nirvdrum> I think someone on the JVM team really needs to take another look at it as the problem is exacerbated by the proliferation of VM/container technology.
<Antiarc> Amazon Linux includes one in their AMIs by default, I think, but it would be easy to get into some hurt in a hurry there
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<GitHub134> [jruby] enebo opened issue #3706: Yard exposing something which MRI does not have an issue with (cref magic?) https://git.io/v2orC
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<thedarkone2> jruby not in gsoc 2016, again :( ?
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<GitHub67> jruby/master 789e2b1 Kevin Menard: Clean up the entire spec temp dir when finished with mock dirs....
<GitHub132> [jruby] nirvdrum commented on commit 789e2b1: @eregon Please verify that this is fine to do. All specs pass for me and I can't find a case where it would break anything. https://git.io/v2oSK
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<GitHub93> [jruby] chrisseaton pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/v2o9r
<GitHub93> jruby/master 0e25db2 Chris Seaton: [Truffle] Use our own ExitException.
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<chrisseaton> headius: is there one sure fire place I can put a println to see whenever a JRuby method is run? Like we have a method always run whenever a method is entered. Is there something similar?
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<GitHub112> jruby/master e283630 Chris Seaton: [Truffle] Organise imports.
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