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<Flea86> azonenberg: I would have the vm the other way around personally lol but that's just me :)
<azonenberg> i consider linux a better and more stable host platform
<azonenberg> then if i have to use winblows its in a vm
<Flea86> I personnally cannot understand your aversion to winblows but I respect it
<Sync> yeah but getting catia with proper FEM stuff running natively sucks azonenberg
<azonenberg> Sync: oh, i agree
<azonenberg> i've had experience with getting NX to run natively
<azonenberg> huge pain
<azonenberg> and its $$$$$ if you arent a student
<Sync> yeah, this is why I run a w7 for that stuff
<Flea86> Sync: and w7 isn't half-bad right?
<Sync> it is okay, you can work with it
<azonenberg> Flea86: i live in the command line so much and windows sucks at that
<azonenberg> it emphasizes GUIs too much
<superkuh> I am currently learning to use freecad. I am not suggesting it, just wondering if anyone has an opinion.
<Flea86> azonenberg: Probably, but then I admit that i've only ever needed the command line while in safe mode :P I tend not to want to hack my os too much and focus more on my app tasks at hand.. :)
<azonenberg> Flea86: i do most of my software dev in the command line though
<azonenberg> used IDEs for ten years
<azonenberg> finally coudlnt take it anymore
<Flea86> I've never had a problem with IDE's.. (for me) I found it's simply a matter of finding the right one(s) for the job
<Flea86> But then IDE's are also a matter of taste as well as functionality
<Flea86> :)
<Sync> powershell azonenberg
<Sync> it works
<azonenberg> Works, yes
<azonenberg> but i dont like it
<XgF> ...and it only suppports (shock) one platform
<Flea86> XgF: ARM?
<XgF> I must be odd for having, in front of me, 1 each of Windows, Linux and Mac OS X
<XgF> Flea86: Windows :p
<Flea86> lol
<XgF> Bourne Shell runs everywhere. Including Windows
* azonenberg is sitting in front of five monitors, connected to a total of three computers
<azonenberg> all running 64 bit linux
<Flea86> wanted to write PIC instead of ARM but I'm not *that* much of a masochist :P
<azonenberg> one of the screens has a fullscreen win7 VM
<XgF> Heh. The Linux box is headless
<XgF> (and serves a server role, but non-the-less lives under my desk)
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<XgF> I finally gave up on Linux on my desktop when I got pissed off with how much of it came broken...
<XgF> (Seriously, every Bluetooth dongle in the world uses the same interface, and yet I still can't browse my devices file systems outside a terminal?!)
* azonenberg prefers to browse in a termianl
<azonenberg> except for image files where thumbnailing is nice
<azonenberg> but thats just me
<XgF> Not when the interface is something along the lines of "obex --device a_mac_address --share 0 ls /Images"
<XgF> It was around about the time that I gave up with the bullshit like that I invested in the Mac
<XgF> (I suppose taking the exact oposite direction: A system which just works, at last!)
<XgF> I kind of need the desktop for work now (Our lighting desks' offline programming tool & fixture personality editor only runs on Windows)
<barrettfriedman> Does anyone have any experiences working with big university nanofabrication facilities?
<barrettfriedman> Stanford has one (SNF). It's expensive, but I'm trying to learn all I can so I can maybe use it for something cool down the line.
<azonenberg> I've used the MNCR at RPI
<azonenberg> but not for too much
<barrettfriedman> Oh hello azonenberg. I have been off for a while. My shell host got hacked a while ago...
<azonenberg> i observed two people i knew running fab stuff, one because i helped on the project and wanted to see how it turned out and one was a friend asking me to help debug process issues
<azonenberg> the only tools i've actually used myself were the electron microscope and wire bonder
<azonenberg> for failure analysis and wafer test
<azonenberg> correction, one of the electron microscopes lol
<barrettfriedman> Oh you've done wire bonding? What would you say were some of the difficulties?
<azonenberg> Done? Thats exaggerating it a bit
<azonenberg> I've attempted to wedge bond
<azonenberg> Yield was zero percent
<azonenberg> none of the bonds held
<Flea86> azonenberg: Have you considered making any organic (polymer) semiconductors? :)
<azonenberg> Not yet
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<azonenberg> Look good as a spin coater chuck so far?
<azonenberg> Current design calls for all parts being stainless steel, alloy not chosen yet
<azonenberg> shaft is 1/2 inch and chuck is 4 inch diameter
<azonenberg> next step will be to identify a suitable bearing
<barrettfriedman> That looks very nice.
<azonenberg> Stainless steel isnt cheap but i think the extra few dollars will be worth it
<azonenberg> i'm going to build it nice and sturdy
<azonenberg> the shell will be thinner material, probably aluminum
<azonenberg> all metal construction since there are gonna be a lot of solvents around it
<azonenberg> and ok, this thing wont be lightweight lol
<barrettfriedman> How much more expensive is Teflon?
<azonenberg> The current design calls for the chuck alone weighing two pounds
<barrettfriedman> At the very least as a Teflon coating.
<azonenberg> Teflon doesnt have the mechanical strength i need
<azonenberg> also, i want something i can stick tape to to hold the specimen down
<azonenberg> and we all know how hard it is to stick things to teflon :p
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