15:47 <ec> Hey, loves. So the Discord version of ##Hat / #elliottcable has grown a bit, and is pretty active; having just written up rules and some similar stuff, I thought it was a good time to try and drag the stragglers here onto the new platform.

15:47 <ljharb> I’ll take an invite but i hate discord and spend virtually no time on it

15:48 <ec> Discord is _really great_, please, consider coming and hanging out — there's great desktop clients (yes, Electron, but it doesn't feel like it; way better than Slack et al), an *absolutely identical* web-client (the website isn't second-class), which is great; and the mobile client is the best

15:48 <ec> https://discord.gg/nRXzkyp come on by!

15:48 <jfhbrook> I will second discord being Good, Actually

15:48 <ec> particularly lol @ nuck, we were literally talking about you yesterday! i miss you!

15:48 <ljharb> It’s insanely buggy

15:48 <ljharb> and i refuse to download a desktop app

15:48 <ec> ljharb: i love you lots and will never hate you if you don't join <3

15:48 <jfhbrook> never had a bug ever

15:48 <ec> it is Okay™ and I understand you don't like it

15:48 <ljharb> switching tabs causes the voice chat to break

15:49 <jfhbrook> 🤔 I switch between things without breaking voice chat 🤔

15:49 <ec> anyway yeah /cc ohhmaar, gkatsev, MylesBorins, and Cheery

15:49 <ec> i have no idea who englishm is but hi, you too :P

15:49 <jfhbrook> ahaha

15:49 <jfhbrook> anyway

15:51 <gkatsev> I still don't have a discord account

15:51 <ec> is time! do the thing! make the stuff!

15:51 <ec> there's a ton of great communities there, too; I can heartily suggest:

15:52 <ec> Low-Level Programming: https://discord.gg/5ssDFZS

15:52 <englishm> Oh hey, hello ec! We (virutally) crossed paths... (somehow???) _years_ ago, and I've been lurking here ever since, but I've never been very active.

15:52 <ec> Functional Programming: https://discord.gg/K6XHBSh

15:52 <englishm> I can lurk in your Discord if you want, too! :P

15:52 <ec> englishm: 🤣 feel free to

15:52 <ec> come by and say hi! it's not all Programming Related, though code-stuff comes up sometimes

15:52 <ec> it's mostly The Place Where I Collect Good People, kinda like this channel was for years.

15:53 <ec> Rust Programming Language: https://discord.gg/hRmQNA

15:53 <gkatsev> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

15:53 <ec> PLT / proglang-design: https://discord.gg/hbxfWa

15:54 <ec> https://package.community: https://discord.gg/2aadP3

15:54 <gkatsev> some of the stuff in discord is bad for the complete opposite reason that slack is bad, lol

15:55 <jfhbrook> yeah that's probably true

15:55 <jfhbrook> I haven't thought too hard about comparing them

15:55 <gkatsev> in the video dev community, we have a slack currently but are a bit (a lot) unhappy with the communinity moderation tools

15:55 <gkatsev> in that it has none

15:56 <gkatsev> but moving to discord isn't going to solve all problems

15:56 <ec> everybody is *constantly* complaining about the lack of threading on Discord

15:56 <ec> personally, I'm a huge fan of that; yields a much more IRC-like feel

15:56 <gkatsev> I both like and hate threads

15:56 <ec> I also avoid making a ton of topic-specific channels and fragmenting the community / making everything look dead

15:57 <gkatsev> slack recently updated to allow resizing the sidebars, so, makes it a lot better

15:57 <ec> I think threads are good when signal-vs-noise is *significantly* more important than community-cohesion, basically

15:59 <gkatsev> we have a channel called #slackalternative where we've been discussing switching

16:00 <ec> bahhah

16:00 <ec> well it's the perfect time to come beta-test Discord in #elliottcable ;)

16:00 <ljharb> eslint switched to discord, so now they don’t have me triaging all their help comments anymore ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

16:02 <gkatsev> but basically right now we don't think alternatives are more good enough compared to slack to risk splitting the community

16:03 <ljharb> now that iOS messaging has threading, discord will be very behind the times unless they add it

16:03 <ljharb> even irc supports threading (altho freenode doesn’t)

16:03 <gkatsev> irc supports threading?

16:06 <jfhbrook> ec: I agree with that take vs when threads are good or bad

16:09 <ljharb> gkatsev: yep, that’s what IRCCloud uses for its slack bridge

16:10 <ec> < gkatsev> but basically right now we don't think alternatives are more good enough compared to slack to risk splitting the community

16:10 <gkatsev> is it an irc feature or an irccloud feature?

16:10 <ec> seems like an eminently sane choice, to me

16:10 <ec> if #elliottcable had been active, I never would have tried this

16:10 <ec> but yeah there's really no way to *move* a community

16:10 <ec> the ##Hat server is a *different* community, with some of the same feel, and a lot of the old guard from here

16:10 <ljharb> gkatsev: ircv3

16:10 <ec> but also a lot of very active people who've never been in here, or even used IRC

16:10 <gkatsev> ljharb: cool

16:33 <gkatsev> at some point maybe other tools will be good enough to warrant moving