<ec>
thank god I can usually find a Discord server on a given topic nowadays
<vilhalmer>
plus work which I keep off my personal machines
<ec>
there's a few exception — the major Denver developer-community is on Slack, and I couldn't find a Discord alternative
<ec>
but. still.
<vilhalmer>
I need to do the email per service thing like that, I never got around to it
<ec>
gmail does it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<ec>
vilhalmer+butts.com@gmail.com
<vilhalmer>
I've been on fastmail for some time now
<vilhalmer>
but same thing works afaik
<ec>
I'm in the middle of switching to ProtonMail
<vilhalmer>
nice
<ec>
but wait, Fastmail doesn't support that? most providers do
<vilhalmer>
I think they do
<ljharb>
ec: that's sad, because discord's ux is terribad :-/
<ljharb>
slack is great
<ec>
what lol
<ec>
strong disagree
<ljharb>
i think i'm in 17 slack communities
<ec>
it's a fucking nightmare
<ljharb>
how so?
<ec>
have to make a new account for each goddamn place?! no blocking features?
<ljharb>
the lack of bundling is annoying, true, but once created i never have to deal with it
<ec>
also a ton of little things that I can't remember right now because I've successfully avoided it for a year or more lmao
<ljharb>
you can deactivate any account as an admin
<ec>
if you want to change a setting, you have to go change it on fifty discords.
<ec>
if you make a new account, or get a new device, you have to deal with that on M*N devices.
<ljharb>
nah
<ljharb>
you log in by email address now
<ljharb>
and then you get shown all slacks on that email
<ljharb>
hm, for settings, maybe tho
<ec>
or, more realistically, forget about some, and just have a completely different set of Slacks on each of your devices
<ljharb>
yeah that's also fair
<ec>
ugh I h8ed it so much
<ec>
also idk other people have articulated this better than I
<ljharb>
i find it super critical tho that i have separate messaging islands for each one
<ec>
personally, Discord takes the cake as the _single best_-designed app I've ever used
<ljharb>
you're not the only one i know who thinks that, to be sure
<ljharb>
but that just does not mirror my xp at all
<ec>
like all the little touches, everything from login-flow to notification controls to community management to keyboard-navigation to …
<ec>
now, to be fair, I don't want to be *too* pro-Discord
<ec>
they did some really shitty things to a friend, as a company
<ec>
so: product, yes, at least until the other options aren't just "IRC, Slack, or freakin Matrix"
<ec>
but company: ~yikes~
<ljharb>
yeah matrix doesn't seem appealing to me either, but i haven't used it fdirectly
<ljharb>
and slack, as a company, i think is great
<ljharb>
also tbf most of my slack usage isn't "big irc-like community", it's "company" or "small managed group of vetted people"
<ec>
yeah, it's fine-ish for company
<ec>
but that's *one slack*
<ec>
I don't mind having *one slack*
<ljharb>
it's more for me
<ec>
but ur JS community or ur city-local developer group
<ec>
doesn't get to be my One Slack.
<ec>
that's for, y'know, my company.
<ljharb>
i have my main job, one for "former twitter employees", i'm a guest in travis-ci's company one
<ec>
get the fuck on Discord lmao.
<ec>
not @ you, sorry
<ljharb>
lol gotcha
<ec>
just belatedly realized you might/probably actually run a slack
<ec>
none of this is personal
<ljharb>
i have one for the openJS foundation, one for opencollective, one for node's moderation team
<ec>
just annoying when a community expects me to deal with Slack's bullshit to ask a question about their FOSS library or whatever
<ec>
:P
<ljharb>
the only slacks i'm in that might make sense as a discord are babel, webpack, and node
<ljharb>
well yeah agreed
<ec>
weird that you have that split? I don't grok it
<ljharb>
*any* time someone forces questions to come in on a certain channel, it's hostile
<ec>
re: small groups vs large ones
<ljharb>
groups where everyone is pre-selected, so there's zero moderation need regardless
<ljharb>
versus groups where randos can come in and troll
<ec>
for instance, my seven-person titterpig group is also on Discord, it's one of the two I'm most active in
<ljharb>
i have to change slack settings or log into a new device like once every 2-3 years
<ec>
hrm. I … am not sure I believe that there's a correlation between group-size and need to moderate >,>
<ljharb>
not size
<ljharb>
entry requirements
* ec
nods
<ec>
I don't run any discords — explicitly decided not to make a new #ELLIOTTCABLE community, and leave the community-building to other people this decade, lol
<ec>
I just know that the people I know who do, are very happy with it
<vilhalmer>
I do appreciate that discord pauses gifs when unfocused
<vilhalmer>
good feature from a cpu and brainpower standpoint