ec changed the topic of #elliottcable to: I guess IRC is dead, long live Discord? https://discord.gg/ECTt4sx
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<ec> nuck: I don't think you've joined Emily's discord, have you?
<ec> nor vilhalmer
<ljharb> wealljs, or something else
<ec> no lol
<ec> link in the /topic
<ec> it's a small social group, but you probably know most of the people in there
<ec> it's definitely replaced this channel tho
<vilhalmer> you rang
<vilhalmer> oic
<vilhalmer> yay more electron
<ec> emily has to approve you, so just chat in the one channel you can see for a week or w/e
<ec> <3
<vilhalmer> I wish they had an api that isn't a self-bot and technically against tos
<ec> i'm
ec is now known as super_annoyued
<super_annoyued>
<vilhalmer> hahaha
super_annoyued is now known as ec
<ec> that /nick changes don't stick to messages
<ec> in Discord.
<vilhalmer> many things have been lost
<ec> because it kills off about 80% of what I consider "humorous"
<ec> >,>
<ec> but otherwise I love it with all of my soul
<ec> such an improvement over Slack-trash
<ec> and a good solid IRC replacement with 2020 features you care about, and truly best-in-class audio support.
<vilhalmer> I use discord, it just isn't one of the things I have running 24/7
<vilhalmer> I'm already stuck in slack :(
<ec> i've managed to remove Slack from my life to some extent; but I'm resigned to re-installing it at my next job
<vilhalmer> I'll just finally have to install wee-slack so discord can be the only electron instead
<ec> but *this* is absolutely unforgivable
<vilhalmer> oh dear
* ec eyerolls
<vilhalmer> I've only got three at least
<ec> thank god I can usually find a Discord server on a given topic nowadays
<vilhalmer> plus work which I keep off my personal machines
<ec> there's a few exception — the major Denver developer-community is on Slack, and I couldn't find a Discord alternative
<ec> but. still.
<vilhalmer> I need to do the email per service thing like that, I never got around to it
<ec> gmail does it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<ec> vilhalmer+butts.com@gmail.com
<vilhalmer> I've been on fastmail for some time now
<vilhalmer> but same thing works afaik
<ec> I'm in the middle of switching to ProtonMail
<vilhalmer> nice
<ec> but wait, Fastmail doesn't support that? most providers do
<vilhalmer> I think they do
<ljharb> ec: that's sad, because discord's ux is terribad :-/
<ljharb> slack is great
<ec> what lol
<ec> strong disagree
<ljharb> i think i'm in 17 slack communities
<ec> it's a fucking nightmare
<ljharb> how so?
<ec> have to make a new account for each goddamn place?! no blocking features?
<ljharb> the lack of bundling is annoying, true, but once created i never have to deal with it
<ec> also a ton of little things that I can't remember right now because I've successfully avoided it for a year or more lmao
<ljharb> you can deactivate any account as an admin
<ec> if you want to change a setting, you have to go change it on fifty discords.
<ec> if you make a new account, or get a new device, you have to deal with that on M*N devices.
<ljharb> nah
<ljharb> you log in by email address now
<ljharb> and then you get shown all slacks on that email
<ljharb> hm, for settings, maybe tho
<ec> or, more realistically, forget about some, and just have a completely different set of Slacks on each of your devices
<ljharb> yeah that's also fair
<ec> ugh I h8ed it so much
<ec> also idk other people have articulated this better than I
<ljharb> i find it super critical tho that i have separate messaging islands for each one
<ec> personally, Discord takes the cake as the _single best_-designed app I've ever used
<ljharb> you're not the only one i know who thinks that, to be sure
<ljharb> but that just does not mirror my xp at all
<ec> like all the little touches, everything from login-flow to notification controls to community management to keyboard-navigation to …
<ec> now, to be fair, I don't want to be *too* pro-Discord
<ec> they did some really shitty things to a friend, as a company
<ec> so: product, yes, at least until the other options aren't just "IRC, Slack, or freakin Matrix"
<ec> but company: ~yikes~
<ljharb> yeah matrix doesn't seem appealing to me either, but i haven't used it fdirectly
<ljharb> and slack, as a company, i think is great
<ljharb> also tbf most of my slack usage isn't "big irc-like community", it's "company" or "small managed group of vetted people"
<ec> yeah, it's fine-ish for company
<ec> but that's *one slack*
<ec> I don't mind having *one slack*
<ljharb> it's more for me
<ec> but ur JS community or ur city-local developer group
<ec> doesn't get to be my One Slack.
<ec> that's for, y'know, my company.
<ljharb> i have my main job, one for "former twitter employees", i'm a guest in travis-ci's company one
<ec> get the fuck on Discord lmao.
<ec> not @ you, sorry
<ljharb> lol gotcha
<ec> just belatedly realized you might/probably actually run a slack
<ec> none of this is personal
<ljharb> i have one for the openJS foundation, one for opencollective, one for node's moderation team
<ec> just annoying when a community expects me to deal with Slack's bullshit to ask a question about their FOSS library or whatever
<ec> :P
<ljharb> the only slacks i'm in that might make sense as a discord are babel, webpack, and node
<ljharb> well yeah agreed
<ec> weird that you have that split? I don't grok it
<ljharb> *any* time someone forces questions to come in on a certain channel, it's hostile
<ec> re: small groups vs large ones
<ljharb> groups where everyone is pre-selected, so there's zero moderation need regardless
<ljharb> versus groups where randos can come in and troll
<ec> for instance, my seven-person titterpig group is also on Discord, it's one of the two I'm most active in
<ljharb> i have to change slack settings or log into a new device like once every 2-3 years
<ec> hrm. I … am not sure I believe that there's a correlation between group-size and need to moderate >,>
<ljharb> not size
<ljharb> entry requirements
* ec nods
<ec> I don't run any discords — explicitly decided not to make a new #ELLIOTTCABLE community, and leave the community-building to other people this decade, lol
<ec> I just know that the people I know who do, are very happy with it
<vilhalmer> I do appreciate that discord pauses gifs when unfocused
<vilhalmer> good feature from a cpu and brainpower standpoint