<FromGitter>
<watzon> @oprypin what about `WebSocket.run`? Should a thread just automatically be spawned when it's instantiated?
<RX14>
if it was blocking, WebSocket#run wouldn't exist
<RX14>
there's no socket#run is ther?
<FromGitter>
<watzon> Right, that's my thought
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<FromGitter>
<marksiemers> @asterite - I'm halfway through watching your talk at Øredev 2016. It is a great presentation for anyone who is new to the langauge (and even those of us using it for a few months). I think it should be linked in a prominent place in the docs or on the website if it isn't already.
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<FromGitter>
<Dillybob1992> @marksiemers i watched it last night, and watched another one on youtube where juan was there too. really cool stuff!
<FromGitter>
<marksiemers> Yeah, I think you linked it in the chat - that's how I found out about it.
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<FromGitter>
<Dillybob1992> awesome. i like watching presentations about programming
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<FromGitter>
<watzon> @oprypin so it looks like changing the `WebSocket.run` method to `WebSocket.receive` and modifying it to look like this pretty much does the trick ⏎ ⏎ ``` code paste, see link``` [https://gitter.im/crystal-lang/crystal?at=5a5ffecc5ade18be398cd793]
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<FromGitter>
<watzon> I could definitely refactor it a bit more too
<crystal-gh>
[crystal] MakeNowJust opened pull request #5602: Fix parsing an empty heredoc (master...fix/crystal/empty-heredoc) https://git.io/vNRZ9
<FromGitter>
<Dillybob1992> i find it kinda cool how there is another argentina developer that created the Godot game engine, that has the name Juan. Another Juan was also was with Ary during that presentation, haha.
<FromGitter>
<asterite> Mark: thanks, I was a bit nervous during that presentation
<FromGitter>
<asterite> I think Juan is one of the most common names here in Argentina
<FromGitter>
<watzon> Would someone mind linking to it again? I'd like to watch it and share it around
<FromGitter>
<jwaldrip> Been working a bunch in typescript this week. It makes me want real interfaces in Crystal – rather than treating a module as an interface.
<FromGitter>
<jwaldrip> @watzon okay. Convinced. I like the way @asterite proposed it!
<FromGitter>
<watzon> As do I
<crystal-gh>
[crystal] waj opened pull request #5603: OpenSSL: Hide errors when either libcrypto or libssl are not found by pkg-config (master...fix/openssl-silence-pkg-config-errors) https://git.io/vNRCq
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<FromGitter>
<marksiemers> I've just been lazy getting back to it, so there is a lot of volume and some edits to make (in the PR)
<FromGitter>
<marksiemers> @watzon ^
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<qard>
Is there a way to use a type restriction in a method argument that refers to a class which derives from a particular class? (The class itself, I mean. Not an instance of that class)
<qard>
I'm currently just using arg : Class, but it'd be nice if I could be more specific about it.
<qard>
I have an abstract class which it is intended that the user would create their own class implementing that and provide that class to an interface which would create and use instances of that class.
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<FromGitter>
<bew> qard: arg : Base.class
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<qard>
Perfect! That was exactly what I needed. Thanks! :)
<FromGitter>
<bew> You're welcome ;)
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<FromGitter>
<Dillybob1992> Just curious i think i asked something like this but forgot :P ⏎ In my GameServer class I have an instance variable `db` that points to my database. when accepting new tcp connections i do `spawn handle_connection(socket)` as usual. Now, running `db.exec`, `db.db.query_one?` or whatever from functions that handle_connection calls, will they take advantage of being in a "fiber" still?
<greenbigfrog>
https://carc.in/#/r/3eq7 somehow works, which is essentially the same as what I have...
<FromGitter>
<xfbs> @greenbigfrog: what happens when you manually set the return type to `Nil`, does the compiler complain? ⏎ ⏎ ```def update_config(memo : String, status : Bool, server : UInt64) : Nil ⏎ # ... ⏎ end``` [https://gitter.im/crystal-lang/crystal?at=5a6059de6117191e617db3dc]
* greenbigfrog
is stupid...
<greenbigfrog>
my #update_config and #get_config look so similar that I added the default case on the wrong one...
<greenbigfrog>
thanks!
<FromGitter>
<xfbs> Whoops haha. I'm guessing that fixed it?
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<FromGitter>
<Dillybob1992> Does anyone here listen to music / ambient sounds when they code? What do y'all like? i'm currently listening to this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhXHH2sZlQU)
<FromGitter>
<Dillybob1992> Ten Thousand Years Won't Save your life, LOVE that one
<FromGitter>
<xfbs> Been listening to The Weeknd — Starboy quite a lot recently, but mainly just because it's the only decent thing I had offline on spotify on my phone for travelling. That playlist looks pretty dope tho!
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<FromGitter>
<Dillybob1992> my old gameserver written in nodejs was done mostly when that song was on repeat.. brings back memories
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<FromGitter>
<Dillybob1992> @xfbs wow, 1.3b views almost on that music video
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<FromGitter>
<xfbs> Haha I haven't actually seen it
<greenbigfrog>
I have a string, and I'd like to remove sth from the beginning which is in a Tuple of strings. Somehow I can't get my head wrapped around how to do this easily...
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<greenbigfrog>
I guess I could probably switch to using a regex...
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<Groogy>
@Dillybob1992 if I want ambient "noise" I watch videos on ant farms
<Groogy>
it's great
<FromGitter>
<Dillybob1992> @groogy, sweet 👍
<Papierkorb>
Groogy: rainymood.com/ or "star trek background noise" lul
<Groogy>
well usually for my concentration problems I do it by drowning my brain in shit
<Groogy>
so it can't get distracted, that kind of ambient doesn't work for me
<FromGitter>
<straight-shoota> but whatever. for Crystal it's really great.
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<FromGitter>
<straight-shoota> between 0.23.1 and 0.24.1 it was 387 commits in over 5 months. dunno how many PR's but probably a few less.
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<FromGitter>
<watzon> Wooo!
<FromGitter>
<watzon> Crystal is moving on up
<FromGitter>
<watzon> Someone has even started the development of a Crypto Currency using Crystal. If it were to actually get any media exposure that could be really good for Crystal
<RX14>
so, is it any good?
<RX14>
there's not much point to a cryptocurrency with no new ideas
<RX14>
can't find it on google either
<FromGitter>
<watzon> It's actually very impressive. Basically brand new, but there's already a cli, daemon, and miner
<FromGitter>
<watzon> And it looks like he wants to make it so that it's mostly cpu minable, which would really open things up to people that don't have a good gpu
<FromGitter>
<watzon> @tbrand great job so far
<FromGitter>
<watzon> Unfortunately it would be Unix only until Crystal gets Windows compilation finished
<FromGitter>
<j8r> Hi Crystalers. I have hard times to manipulate JSON::Any (changing values, arrays...). Is it planned to have some sorts of an auto-mapping?
<FromGitter>
<asterite> j8r you should probably explain why you need that in the first place
<vegai>
would be a good April 1st decision to say that all communication was moved to Microsoft Teams
<RX14>
lol
<oprypin>
RX14 pls
<vegai>
to celebrate the finished Windows port
<RX14>
the bot needs to put pastes as URLs
<RX14>
the IRC way
<oprypin>
but it does
<RX14>
just as soon as it sees a code block, host it as a gist or plaintext URL
<RX14>
i mean on a proper website oprypin
<FromGitter>
<j8r> To modify JSON configurations of applications
<RX14>
gitter is a terrible pastebin
<oprypin>
RX14, as if that would have saved you
<RX14>
and FromGitter tried to use it as on
<FromGitter>
<j8r> And build a REST API on top of it
<RX14>
oprypin, i mean it needs to handle whatever @asterite did to generate `````` too
<oprypin>
it was literally ``````
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<RX14>
yeah it usually works
<RX14>
who's bot is it anyway
<oprypin>
RX14, i thought you knew this. this is just edits
<RX14>
was it?
<oprypin>
yeah people write `````` and then edit the message and put the whole code block inside, that's quite common
<RX14>
*sigh*
<RX14>
i wish gitter had a way to block message edits
<oprypin>
edits are not propagated through gitter's simple api, and the complicated api is ... complicated
<RX14>
immutable message logs are so much nicer
<RX14>
than being able to edit
<FromGitter>
<j8r> By the way, is it planned to have a typed Hash with Int64, Strings and so on from a JSON.parse,
<RX14>
@j8r but wouldn't you know the configuration layout?
<RX14>
somewhere, somehow, something must know how the JSON is layed out
<FromGitter>
<j8r> Without predefined mapping, Instead of just JSON::Any,
<RX14>
and you should bring that up front in a well typed scheme
<RX14>
why not just have a predefined mapping
<FromGitter>
<j8r> Impossible, because the goal is to build a REST api to modify my apps configurations (config.json of Transmission e.g.) BUT the application itself *can* modify its configuration, of courge (e.g. Gitea)
<FromGitter>
<j8r> Arf, hard to talk from mobile
<RX14>
but if you're building something to modify the config of transmission you must know how transmission is configured
<RX14>
so why not just make a JSON.mapping of that
<FromGitter>
<j8r> Partially. The use can modify it by hand as he likes, or by the API, or by the web ui.
<FromGitter>
<j8r> *user
<FromGitter>
<j8r> All I know is to modify the key host,
<oprypin>
j8r, Crystal does have all the types in the Hash and it does know all the types. it just doesn't know them at compile time, because nobody's telling it
<RX14>
so you want an API where you can apply arbitrary JSON modifications to a document
<FromGitter>
<j8r> Yes, add, delete and change values of keys
<RX14>
you can just do something like, for each part of key, except the last: assign json = json[key_part]
<RX14>
and then you do json.as_h[last_part] = JSON::Any.new(val)
<oprypin>
i think keeping json::any is detrimental for this use case
<RX14>
well
<FromGitter>
<watzon> @asterite how about Discord instead? Personally I think it's a lot better than Slack
<RX14>
how else would you do it oprypin?
<oprypin>
you want to be explicit about your assumptions
<FromGitter>
<watzon> I agree that gitter isn't the best
<oprypin>
json any is for chained [] [] [] pretty much
<RX14>
@watzon it's harder to use for people who don't already have discord
<RX14>
the great advantage of gitter is you just log in weith github
<RX14>
and you're in
<oprypin>
let's use skype
<FromGitter>
<asterite> probably gitter + irc is fine. But I'll use code snippets in gitter, even if in irc they don't show up well
<FromGitter>
<watzon> @RX14 that's true
<FromGitter>
<j8r> And it's Open Source, partially
<RX14>
@oprypin, well we're removing *not* JSON::Any
<oprypin>
RX14, uh what
<RX14>
@asterite you realise if you just put a gist link in gitter it shows up really nicely
<RX14>
so just do that?
<FromGitter>
<j8r> Hey let's have an EtherPad so
<FromGitter>
<watzon> I've got a Crystal Telegram group set up already. Just added it to a network I'm a member of
<FromGitter>
<watzon> Trying to spread the love
<oprypin>
asterite, the messages show up acceptably, but you wrote `````` and posted that and that's all people will see in IRC. edits do not work, so they must be reserved for tiny typo fixes, if even that.
<oprypin>
watzon, I view it as trying to fragment the community
<RX14>
they really don't show up acceptably oprypin
<oprypin>
RX14, make another hexchat plugin
<RX14>
no
<oprypin>
i'm only 10% serious there
<FromGitter>
<j8r> We are talking about
<FromGitter>
<watzon> @RX14 not really, I've just got it there for people that are a member of the network and don't use Gitter. I'm trying to get people interested
<oprypin>
watzon, why do you want to isolate people from the rest of the community?
<RX14>
but why would you want to use telegram and not gitter?
<RX14>
or irc?
<FromGitter>
<watzon> I don't. I'd much rather they use gitter
<FromGitter>
<watzon> but they're already using Telegram
<FromGitter>
<j8r> Btw, a gitter badge should be added!
<RX14>
so just tell them to?
<oprypin>
well im using skype so let's all use skype
<RX14>
havent used skype in years lol
<FromGitter>
<watzon> And it's easy for me to share stuff with them to get them interested
<RX14>
about 3
<FromGitter>
<watzon> None of them are currently using Crystal
<RX14>
@watzon so keep it a group of friends
<RX14>
and talk to them about crystal
<FromGitter>
<watzon> That's all it really is
<FromGitter>
<asterite> oprypin: I never wrote that, I wrote the full snippet
<RX14>
and convince them to join gitter once they're fully interested
<FromGitter>
<watzon> That's the goal
<FromGitter>
<j8r> Haha
<FromGitter>
<asterite> here I go again: ```some snippet```
<FromGitter>
<asterite> shows up well?
<RX14>
that works fine @asterite
<FromGitter>
<asterite> strange...
<oprypin>
no it's not strange
<oprypin>
you sent the quotes, then edited the code in, without noticing
<RX14>
how do you do that without noticing?
<oprypin>
absentmindedly press up, i dunno
<oprypin>
people get used to that action quickly
<oprypin>
holy shit
<oprypin>
it was a bug in my bot
<Yxhuvud>
:D
<RX14>
hmm
<oprypin>
how is that even possible
<oprypin>
asterite, so sorry :(
<Yxhuvud>
did it fail on multiline code or something?
<oprypin>
but the scenario can still happen
<FromGitter>
<asterite> umm... i never edited the code
<FromGitter>
<asterite> I just wrote it, pressed left to go back and added the quotes
<oprypin>
asterite, I can see that now in logs. you didn't. sorry.
<RX14>
yes, @asterite
<FromGitter>
<asterite> but all of that before pressing enter
<FromGitter>
<asterite> lol
<oprypin>
>> require "markdown"; p Markdown.to_html("```invisible man```")
<FromGitter>
<asterite> ok ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<DeBot>
oprypin: "<pre><code class='language-invisible man```'></code></pre>" - more at https://carc.in/#/r/3etg
<RX14>
oprypin just realised it was a bug in his bot
<FromGitter>
<asterite> I do have bad memory, so it's a possibilit
<oprypin>
there's my explanation
<RX14>
<oprypin> holy shit
<RX14>
<oprypin> it was a bug in my bot
<oprypin>
>> require "markdown"; p Markdown.to_html("```invisible man```")
<DeBot>
oprypin: "<pre><code class='language-invisible man```'></code></pre>" - more at https://carc.in/#/r/3eth
<oprypin>
see anything suspicious here
<RX14>
but why didn't that happen with ```some snippet```
<oprypin>
>> require "markdown"; p Markdown.to_html("here I go again: ```visible man```")
<DeBot>
oprypin: "<p>here I go again: <code></code><code>visible man</code><code></code></p>" - more at https://carc.in/#/r/3eti
<RX14>
oh
<RX14>
so it's when the ``` is the first?
<oprypin>
yeah it's when it starts the line and is immediately followed by text - it's language detection, kinda working as intended
<RX14>
fantastic
<oprypin>
:s
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<oprypin>
i'll just make a PR ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<crystal-gh>
[crystal] oprypin opened pull request #5606: Markdown: fix handling of code fences appearing on the same line (master...code-fence) https://git.io/vN0oC
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<FromGitter>
<watzon> Just watched that talk @asterite . Good job, it was very informative.
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<hello12>
when you are on windows and using this bash there to use crystal: is it even possible to do graphical things? like opening a window? I tried some GUI/framework librarys already but i always got this "Error: execution of command failed with code" error.
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<Papierkorb>
hello12: You mean WSL?
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<hello12>
whats WSL?
<Papierkorb>
WSL emulates linux, and thus, you'll have to provide linux tools to do gui (at least a running X server).
<Papierkorb>
windoze subsystem for linux. Reverse wine but in bad.
<hello12>
yes!
<hello12>
the windows subsystem linux
<hello12>
this is what i mean
<Papierkorb>
Yeah. That's (as far the user space is concerned) "linux". You don't have access to the WinAPI at all. But you can run X programs mostly fine if you have a running X daemon
<Papierkorb>
And that indeed worked for me surprisingly with Qt5
<hello12>
what are X programs?
<Papierkorb>
programs using the X windowing system, that thing providing a graphical interface on Linux (and other) systems.
<Papierkorb>
If all of that is new to you, easiest way to get things working is to use a virtual machine (e.g. through VirtualBox) with some Linux system in it (Like Ubuntu)
<hello12>
ah ok. i hope microsoft make an update and give access to the winAPI. Because im really sure SDL needs access to winapi
<Papierkorb>
No, SDL on linux needs X
<Papierkorb>
And always will be
<Papierkorb>
the program you use in WSL are running in a linux-esque environment, they'll never know about the WinAPI
<hello12>
do i need to install X via apt-get install?
<Papierkorb>
You need to provide an X running on your windows machine outside WSL
<Papierkorb>
A virtual machine is really less painful
<hello12>
hm.. ok yes i will probably do that if X is painful to install/use
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<jhass>
"always will be", *cough* wayland *cough*
<Papierkorb>
A new better/worse GUI stack emerging wasn't important for the point of it never using WinAPI until the death of the universe
<jhass>
sure, fair enough
<jhass>
wouldn't be surprised to see some winapi triggered there through some exploit though :P
<Papierkorb>
win32 + linux = WinLinux. For when you asked if it's possible and you're past the point of asking if it's sensible.
<Papierkorb>
Can you run Wine in WSL though?
<jhass>
or wsl in wine?
<Papierkorb>
well WSL isn't userspace, that'd make it actually decent
<Papierkorb>
Reduced https://play.crystal-lang.org/#/r/3eu8 the error could be clearer, but I'd expect #as to turn any lvalue into a rvalue, so it should be invalid in any case
<FromGitter>
<bararchy> so, how can I let the compiler know this is a Int32 (in the case the hash has more options String, String | Int32) and still do +=
<Papierkorb>
x[y] = x[y].as(T) + 1
<FromGitter>
<bararchy> Oh
<Papierkorb>
Unusual structures require unusual syntax. Are you sure you need to operate on a Hash?
<FromGitter>
<bararchy> ok, makes sense
<FromGitter>
<bararchy> lol
<FromGitter>
<bararchy> yeha, it's not big enough to need a class, so a hash is ok for me
<Papierkorb>
Writing a container class is simple
<FromGitter>
<bararchy> true, but I need only two options, as in Int32 | String
<FromGitter>
<bararchy> so a whole class is a little overhead I think
<FromGitter>
<bararchy> but maybe not
<FromGitter>
<bararchy> let me re-think it
<Papierkorb>
Hash is the definition of overhead when you're actively working with it
<Papierkorb>
If you have more than a few of such cases, you could also write a record-like macro building a mutable class instead of a immutable struct
<FromGitter>
<bararchy> I just got over my class-o-phobia and create a small container class, it was much simpler then using hash in the end
<FromGitter>
<bararchy> thanks for the pointer :)
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<FromGitter>
<Dillybob1992> i just woke up, had a dream about my `ChatRoom` class... wat is going on
<greenbigfrog>
is it on purpose that I have to install libxml2-dev for spec'ing on ubuntu?
<FromGitter>
<Dillybob1992> having trouble trying to assign an instance variable to int64.. ` instance variable '@last_message_time2' of Client must be Int64:Class, not Int64`
<FromGitter>
<Dillybob1992> @oprypin btw, thank you 👏
<FromGitter>
<bew> @taylorfinnell @oprypin iirc it's because captured variables by captured block don't keep restricted types, as when the block is called, the variable could'd have change value
<oprypin>
bew, i don't think it could've changed value. but you can try to prove me wrong
<FromGitter>
<bew> Hmm don't know, can't experiment r8t now
<oprypin>
taylorfinnell, honestly this is the perfect format for a bug report - just do it
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<FromGitter>
<taylorfinnell> ok :) thank you
<crystal-gh>
[crystal] straight-shoota opened pull request #5607: Fix HTTP::StaticFileHandler to properly parse HTTP date (master...jm/fix/http-specs-missing-timezone) https://git.io/vNE3a
<FromGitter>
<Dillybob1992> if a class (that has a lot of property names and values), *get deleted*, assuming no references to any of those properties exist anywhere.. are those free'd as well?
<FromGitter>
<watzon> What do you guys thing is the best library for argument parsing?
<RX14>
what?
<RX14>
argument passing?
<RX14>
oh parsing i'm blind
<RX14>
if you can get away with it, OptionParser in the stdlib
<RX14>
the compiler uses it and it's fine
<FromGitter>
<j8r> agree, I have use it - it understands the quotes and splits when there is a space - the `ARGV` array is practical
<oprypin>
j8r, Crystal doesn't parse this -- doesn't deal with spaces and quotes, it gets prepared strings
<oprypin>
(the story is different on windows ofc)
<RX14>
oh is it?
<RX14>
feck
<oprypin>
RX14, well yeah windows just passes one big string to the executable
<RX14>
whyyyyy
<oprypin>
libc or whatever it's called has parsing
<FromGitter>
<j8r> i didn't know, so it can depends of our Shell interpreter?!
<oprypin>
RX14, what, nobody has tried using argv on windwos?
<RX14>
well argv is from libc
<RX14>
and libc has parsing
<RX14>
so it's hidden from us
<oprypin>
j8r, i wouldn't call it "depends", it's just that the shell interpreter chooses to provide this syntax
<oprypin>
RX14, that's nice then. but i hope you understand that on unix the process gets an array of strings and on windows it gets one string with quotes intact
<RX14>
yeah
<RX14>
I forgot about that though
<RX14>
pain in the ass
<FromGitter>
<j8r> That's not bad, this way we can have a unified experience on UN*Xes
<oprypin>
RX14, one thing to keep in mind, though, is that for Windows one wants to support a Process.new signature with args as string
<oprypin>
otherwise it's impossible to represent some states, like `a b` without quotes lol
<oprypin>
but it could be sacrificed
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