lkcl changed the topic of #arm-netbook to: arm-netbook: Don't ask to ask. Just ask! - EOMA68 spec http://bit.ly/ZHqfxA - ML arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk - Logs http://bit.ly/XELKJq or http://bit.ly/15OCYPD - For Allwinner/sunxi discussions prefer #linux-sunxi - iMX6 Card http://bit.ly/XAUGCD - Flying Squirrel http://bit.ly/WgOYaR - Allwinner A10/A20 Card http://bit.ly/zBLAbY - http://rhombus-tech.net
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<qweo> Hello!
<qweo> Is there any work underway on other cards?
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<lkcl> qweo, there's only enough money left available to pay for materials and factory production.
<lkcl> there's not enough left for either new cards or for living expenses for me.
<qweo> How much would you need to be able to evaluate other SoCs?
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<lkcl> it's about USD $2000 per set of 10 PCBs, it takes about 1-2 days to assess if the SoC is suitable. it takes me between.... 1 day and 2 weeks to track down a Reference Design, then it takes about... 3-5 weeks to do the PCB CAD work.
<lkcl> qweo, so between 1 and 2 months, my living expenses are around USD $1500 in Taiwan (excluding cost of flights out of TW every 90 days), and it takes 5-6 weeks for the factory to get the components and order and assemble the PCBs.
<lkcl> testing then takes between 1-4 weeks depending on whether it's a well-known SoC with good community support or not.
<qweo> What is the maximum price for a SoC to be worth considering at current demand levels?
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<lkcl> interestingly the price of the SoC isn't the main concern, they're usually between $4 and $10 if china-made, and $15 to $30 if USA-designed. the primary concern is the DDR RAM.
<lkcl> if it's not using LPDDR3 (and that's dicey as well) it's really very challenging
<lkcl> as the entire DRAM industry has moved to DDR4 and LPDDR4.
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<lkcl> it's a serious problem.
<lkcl> 2GB worth of 4 DDR3 x8 RAM ICs is *EIGHTEEN* US dollars right now
<lkcl> a minimum production run to be viable is around 500 units. that's pushing it.
<lkcl> 1000 is much better, the factories don't get stroppy with you.
<lkcl> it's late here i have the barcelona conference starting tomorrow
<qweo> Ah, RISC-V
<qweo> Have a good conference!
<qweo> I'm hoping the new Chinese RAM manufactor will put an and to price fixing soon
<qweo> Would you work on other form-factors lkcl? You had a larger EOMA design but no devices implementing it, right?
<qweo> Is there any work on Ingenic or ICube-based cards?
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