<jn__>
buZz: btw, the Talos II workstation (with pretty much entirely owner-controllable firmware) has been shipping for a few weeks now. It's POWER9 instead of something that implements arm64, though
<buZz>
yeah powerpc isnt sexy
<buZz>
by a long shot
<buZz>
:)
<buZz>
also, just the motherboard of a talos already costs more than that entire desktop
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<jn__>
avantek certainly has a price advantage here
<buZz>
and they are just a reseller of that board even
<buZz>
so you can get it for less, probably
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<jn__>
but yeah, pretty cool to see a non-x86 desktop machine at all
<buZz>
uhuh
<buZz>
i feel kinda forced to now get one, to make sure those companies making them will stay around
<buZz>
sucks :)
<jn__>
if i got one, i'd probably want to port OpenBMC to it, and that's a looong project, that realistically depends on having schematics
<buZz>
that old facebook project?
<jn__>
it has outgrown facebook
<buZz>
i hope it outgrows yocto soon aswell :P
<jn__>
at least IBM and google are also onboard
<buZz>
for your sake
<jn__>
yeah… i never really used yocto myself, but it looks complicated from afar
<buZz>
i dont think you can find a single openembedded dev that now says moving to yocto was a good idea :D
<jn__>
oh wait… there is actually a difference between "desktop" and "workstation"
<jn__>
the workstation is a lot more expensive and has a BMC. the desktop doesn't have one
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<buZz>
i highly doubt general workstation usage requires a BMC :)
<buZz>
or even desktop usage
<jn__>
i guess a "workstation" is at the boudary of desktop and server, so a BMC and remote management kind of make sense
<buZz>
i wouldnt get any work done on a system knowing there could be a remote admin looking over my shoulder at any time :P
<jn__>
that's why i wouldn't want a closed-source bmc firmware
<buZz>
i dno how a open-source bmc would save me from a spying administrator
<buZz>
cant he still just do that
<buZz>
isnt that the whole idea of a BMC's existance
<jn__>
it doesn't help when you distrust your admin
<jn__>
but it helps when you are or when you trust the admin
<buZz>
i dno why i would want to remote admin the machine i'm sitting at
<jn__>
it makes more sense for server use
<buZz>
:)
<buZz>
i gather, i like using ILO stuff on server
<jn__>
i.e. you're travelling but your workstation at home is powered off, so you power it on to run some big computations
<buZz>
so i dont need to move to the ice cold server room (who ever thought cpus should use LESS power was a idiot, we're all freezing in DCs now)
<buZz>
WakeOnLan isnt rocketscience
<jn__>
another usecase: run your irc bouncer on the BMC ;)
<buZz>
rofl
<buZz>
does it cost more than a raspberry pi zero?
<buZz>
if so, i dont see it as a win to use it to replace that ;)
<jn__>
just a few orders of magnitude more ;)
<jn__>
i wish avantek would provide more information about the ThunderX desktop… at least they list the SoC's model number, which they don't list for the workstation
<jn__>
that photo is nice, but doesn't say anything about the machine :/
<buZz>
:P
<buZz>
yeah but you do realize avantek doesnt produce these?
<jn__>
THEY DON"T TELL ME
<buZz>
gigabyte and asus both make Cavium ATX boards
<buZz>
bit sad that cavium doesnt make some themselves
<buZz>
maybe just overexpensive reference implementation or something
<jn__>
that's sounds like the workstation sold by avantek
<jn__>
the thing is: even if i find some information about a mainboard, i can't be sure that it's the one that avantek uses, so avantek's information policy(?) is still crap
<buZz>
well, they probably have email addresses
<buZz>
you could just ask ;)
<buZz>
or just buy a board directly
<jn__>
yes, you're right :/
<lkcl>
cavium networks are pretty cool
<jn__>
cavium also has a BSD-licensed BDK (BIOS dev kit?) for at least CN81xx, but i'm not sure how to obtain it
<buZz>
cute :)
<buZz>
jn__: walk in with a assaultchair
<buZz>
they wont know how to react so have no choice but to hand it over