#ruby-lang on 2013-12-29 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2013-11-22 18:08 apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.0.0-p353: http://ruby-lang.org (Ruby 1.9.3-p484) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com || RubyConf 2013 at http://www.justin.tv/confreaks

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00:23 <yorickpeterse> GREAT SUCCESS

00:23 <yorickpeterse> I have a working SSD

00:24 <pipecloud> yorickpeterse: And pants?

00:25 <yorickpeterse> yup

00:25 <yorickpeterse> oh shoot, forgot to turn off the ultrabay. ah well

00:25 <yorickpeterse> doubt that consumes power when not being used

00:26 <yorickpeterse> well it's 01:30, guess I better head to bed

00:26 <yorickpeterse> toodles

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12:46 <zxd> hi

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15:04 <rob_> if i create a class that contains a variable that is set to an instance of some other object, is it possible to query the object to find out the object that contains the variable?

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18:08 <yorickpeterse> arg

18:08 <yorickpeterse> >> Module.constants.object_id

18:08 <yorickpeterse> ...

18:08 <yorickpeterse> eval-in: HEY WHAT'S UP

18:08 <yorickpeterse> stupid bot

18:08 <yorickpeterse> either way, Module.constants, Object.constants and Class.constants contain the same lists but are different objects

18:08 <yorickpeterse> great

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18:50 <Mon_Ouie> Well, Module.constants will always return a new array too

18:51 <whitequark> yorickpeterse: because they're not internally stored as arrays

18:51 <whitequark> of course

18:51 <whitequark> because that's a hash table mapping names to values

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18:57 <CaptainJet> oh good, Mon_Ouie!

18:58 <r0bgleeson> yorickpeterse: that's why Array#== is awesome =P

18:58 <CaptainJet> You are the same Mon_Ouie, of the "ray" gem right?

18:59 <Mon_Ouie> CaptainJet: Yeah

19:00 <r0bgleeson> Mon_Ouie is something special

19:00 <CaptainJet> Have you had any thoughts to adding a fadeout/in effect to the audio, that's executed on it's the audio's thread instead of having to handle with ruby?

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19:01 <Mon_Ouie> Never really thought about that

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19:02 <CaptainJet> I ask because handling it in ruby in parallel with other code is difficult due to the lack of true threads

19:03 <Mon_Ouie> You could use the animation class to make the volume vary over time for fading it, it's probably a bit trickier to time the fading out part

19:06 <r0bgleeson> is it hard to use a thread pool outside of ruby?

19:07 <CaptainJet> That does make sense Mon_Ouie, I was just putting the idea in your head

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19:16 <snapr> What is the recommended way of putting classes into files? I have a small library with ~20 classes, two of them are used by applications using the lib, the rest is only used internally. Should each class get its own file or only the "interfacing" classes?

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21:10 <mbj> whitequark: Do you mind sharing the script you wrote to test parser against the rubygems corpus? I'd like to try with unparser also.

21:11 <whitequark> mbj: it's actually committed

21:11 <mbj> whitequark: thx, I'll find it.

21:11 <whitequark> look for lib/parser_gauntlet.rb

21:11 <whitequark> you'll need to download all gems; that can take about a day on a 25 Mbit connection

21:11 <whitequark> then you'll need to run parser on all of them, which would take about 8 hours on a modern notebook i7

21:11 <whitequark> in a single thread

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21:12 <mbj> whitequark: thx for that information.

21:12 <mbj> whitequark: How much storage I need for the gems?

21:13 <whitequark> 40G or so

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21:14 <mbj> thx

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21:19 <mbj> whitequark: What about to provide the set of valid nodes on the version specific parser classes as Parser{18,19,20,21}.node_types ?

21:20 <mbj> whitequark: Dunno if that fits the scope of your project.

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21:24 <yorickpeterse> lol ruby:

21:24 <yorickpeterse> Bundler.constants.include?(:Specification) => true

21:24 <yorickpeterse> Bundler::Specification => NameError: uninitialized constant Bundler::Specification

21:24 <yorickpeterse> srsly

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21:25 <yorickpeterse> const_defined?() also returns true

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21:36 <whitequark> mbj: hm

21:36 <whitequark> that sounds kinda too specific

21:37 <whitequark> the AST is defined as shared between all parsers, you just won't get some node types before some versions

21:40 <mbj> whitequark: That is the idea. Because under 1.9 I'll not get :not, a tool that tries to self verify its implementation could use that version specific information.

21:40 <pipecloud> yorickpeterse: What about defined?(Bundler::Specification) ?

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21:42 <whitequark> mbj: OK on that

21:43 <whitequark> mbj: implementation-wise I'd like to see a distinct META module with corresponding arrays as constants, and commonality being factored out

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21:50 <whitequark> hm, bundler 1.5 apparently breaks on ruby 1.8...

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21:54 <r0bgleeson> whitequark: great!

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21:55 <whitequark> r0bgleeson: I'm still supporting 1.8 in parser though...

21:55 <whitequark> welp, guess I can't test it anymore.

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21:57 <r0bgleeson> whitequark: if you are stuck, i believe you can set an environment variable for bundler version.

21:57 <r0bgleeson> so your 1.8 build could use an older bundler.

21:58 <whitequark> r0bgleeson: I don't know, there isn't an awful lot of new code added to parser

21:58 <snapr> Hey, I just created a gem (bundle gem somegem) and it gives me the lib/somegem.rb file to put my code in. All my classes are in separate files now, should i copy&paste all classes into the somegem.rb file or how can I include these to go into the gem's module?

21:58 <r0bgleeson> whitequark: see here: https://travis-ci.org/rubinius/bundler-canary/builds/16090580

21:59 <r0bgleeson> it looks easy

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22:18 <yorickpeterse> does rdoc provide a Ruby API to query documentation data? As in, can I call some Ruby code and have it give me back info about constants, methods, etc?

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22:20 <yorickpeterse> hm wait that wouldn't solve my problem

22:20 <yorickpeterse> damn it

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22:34 <r0bgleeson> yorickpeterse: yard does

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