00:59 <zrafa> hi

00:59 <zrafa> does somebody know synopsys custom designer software?

01:00 <zrafa> what is exactly that? does somebody know some open source replacement for that kind of software synopsys sells'

01:00 <zrafa> ?

02:35 <wpwrak> you mean this ? http://www.synopsys.com/Tools/Implementation/CustomImplementation/Pages/CustomDesignerLE.aspx

02:36 <wpwrak> kicad comes to mind as a replacement :)

02:36 <wpwrak> well, maybe not. "nanometer" suggests it's about making chips, not circuits

02:38 <wpwrak> this list may have something: http://www.vlsitechnology.org/html/ic_software.html

02:38 <wpwrak> building a chip factory ? :)

02:41 <wpwrak> more stuff: http://electronicsforu.com/electronicsforu/circuitarchives/view_article.asp?sno=1666&id=12753

02:52 <zrafa> http://www.vlsitechnology.org/html/ic_software.html

02:52 <zrafa> it seems to be an old list

02:53 <zrafa> yeah, i meant synopsys.com

02:53 <wpwrak> hmm, yes, 2007

02:53 <zrafa> software. at engineering faculty

02:53 <zrafa> will be a HUGE BIGGEST BEST congress

02:53 <zrafa> next year

02:53 <zrafa> and they will pay students around AR

02:54 <zrafa> transport and hostel

02:54 <zrafa> to do the GREAT courses

02:54 <zrafa> about nano micro chips

02:54 <zrafa> design

02:55 <zrafa> of course, they asked me if our labs is okey to run virtualbox with synopsys and similar propietary software

02:55 <zrafa> which is free for the courses

02:55 <wpwrak> i remember there's also some french-made chip design system. i think it's alliance: https://soc-extras.lip6.fr/en/alliance-abstract-en/

02:55 <zrafa> because the professor of the courses will be people from synopsys.com who will come to ARG

02:55 <zrafa> just for this congress

02:55 <wpwrak> wow :)

02:56 <zrafa> then that did to rememeber me the RMS words

02:56 <zrafa> about free (gratis) propietary software for students

02:56 <zrafa> in education

02:56 <wpwrak> free opium ;-)

02:56 <zrafa> which of course is not free after they get the degreee

02:57 <zrafa> exactly

02:58 <zrafa> and then now I feeel a little bad if I colaborate with that congress like I promised to the engineering faculty

03:00 <wpwrak> this one looks like fun. good luck remembering all the (100+, it seems) color codes ;-) http://opencircuitdesign.com/magic/

03:00 <zrafa> Of course, electronic people here do not know anything about open source. So they feel that they are winning the heaven with the huGE effort they do to get all the money to pay the transport and hostel for the students for the courses

03:00 <wpwrak> you could do some intro courses a few months before. so all the students will ask how they can map their alliance/magic/etc. workflow to the synopsys tools ;)

03:05 <wpwrak> this may also be useful: http://ilin.asee.org/Conference2010/Papers/A1_Liu_Anan.pdf

04:18 <kyak> is there a single production chip out there made with open source tools only?

04:18 <kyak> how many open source chips do you know?

04:20 <kyak> these are the questions you should ask before feeling bad about collaboration with these proprietrary vendors

06:42 <wpwrak> kyak: if there is one, it means that you can feel confident for you have a proof of concept; if there are many, you can feel confident because it's a well-established process; if there is none, you should be ecstatic for you'll do truly pioneering work. a win-win-win scenario :)

06:43 <wpwrak> besides, they've been at some of those tools for a long time. so there must be at least a bunch of chips from academic projects.