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<sbbg> Hi, I would like to ask more about GL4ES. Does anyone have good experience with panfrost on PineH64 with current Mesa 20? It crash in KDE plasma here.
<sbbg> Do you recommend GL4ES or gallium from Mesa?
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<damex> hi, is there better support for netboot on newer boards with h5/h6 soc or we still need to add uboot to sd card/emmc/usb ?
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<pmp-p> damex: fel boot maybe ?
<damex> pmp-p: isn't it 'boot over usb' where you transfer uboot from your machine without need for local storage? i would like to boot it over network. there is no connection to pc that can initiate felboot, although i might be able to make it happen
<pmp-p> it is but you can also transfer kernel and ramdisk with uboot
<pmp-p> a fel initiated board can continue boot over anything
<damex> > it is but you can also transfer kernel and ramdisk with uboot
<damex> how about transferring uboot?
<damex> is it even possible?
<pmp-p> sorry bad phrasing you transfer all including uboot/kernel/ramdisk
<plaes> yes, it's possible
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<plaes> but for netboot you need at least uboot
<pmp-p> can even boot over those https://aliexpress.com/item/32895306564.html via fel with no power cable or anything more
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<montjoie> damex: h5 is fully usable via netboot
<montjoie> damex: fo h6 only pineh64 work (but you need to patch uboot)
<montjoie> damex: for H- you still can use a net usb dongle
<damex> montjoie: well, i would prefer built-in ethernet. so netbooting with h5 like described above - still needs uboot to be loaded from local media?
<pmp-p> i guess you would need a pxe stack somewhere
<damex> yeah, i have that. dhcp for leases and configuration/tftp for initial transfer of kernel or anything else needed to initiate boot/nfs4.1 for rootfs.
<damex> works fine with rpi3/rpi4 (speaking of the devil) without any media present. they boot their bootrom or kernel directly from tftp after getting dhcp lease
<pmp-p> yeah they probably have a pxe stack in rom onboard
<pmp-p> that's up to the board vendor to add such things i guess
<montjoie> damex: yes you need uboot to be on sdcard
<montjoie> and yes you need dhcp + tftp
<damex> oh well, hoped i could skip 'uboot on sdcard' part :(
<damex> thank you, i guess i will just go with uboot on sdcard.
<montjoie> for sunxi, uboot network is reliable, this is good
<pmp-p> some boards may have room to put some pxe boot on a tiny spi chip
<damex> its just '#1 need physical media, #2 complicates update cycle'
<pmp-p> iirc like some orangepi zero
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<montjoie> at least for sunxi, updating uboot is easy, just try some renesas to know what the hell is
<damex> well, sunxi is definitely much easier then amlogic :)
<damex> seems like renesas is much worse
<montjoie> WORSE exactly
<montjoie> my last renesas uboot update is just some week ago, still have injury
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<sbbg> Anyone tried latest kernel 5.6 with Armbian? Both wifi & ethernet are down. The old image with V5.5.6 have wifi at least.
<sbbg> Anyone tried latest kernel 5.6 with Armbian? Both wifi & ethernet are down. The old image with V5.5.6 have wifi at least. <= I meant for PineH64.
<sbbg> I provide very same kernel config to 5.6. I'm afriad something wrong with driver or firmware.
<KotCzarny> afair, armbian's kernel is patched
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<montjoie> it is two people complaining about 5.6 h6 and ethernet, I will check
<sbbg> montjoie, thank you. It's model-B for me.
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<montjoie> interesting I tested mode A yesterday
<montjoie> perhaps I need to test model B
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<MoeIcenowy> montjoie: I think an origin of issue may be that sun50i-h6-pine-h64 is originally for model B
<MoeIcenowy> but now for A
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<mripard> MoeIcenowy: the pineh64 DTS was *merged* a whole year before model B was annouced, so I find it hard to believe that it was meant for model B from the beginning
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<mripard> (plus, the commit log doesn't mention any model at all, which seems to indicate that there was a single model at the time)
<MoeIcenowy> mripard: I think at the time when model B is introduced
<MoeIcenowy> the DT contains nothing different between A and B
<MoeIcenowy> and A is now suspended because of broken PCIe
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<mripard> so the issue is not that it was meant for model B but now is meant for model A
<mripard> it was meant for the model A all along
<mripard> and the model B was thought at the time to be compatible, and it turns out it wasn't
<MoeIcenowy> mripard: a problem is that now no one can buy model A now
<MoeIcenowy> and when I ask TL Lim, he wants main SW support to be for model B
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<MoeIcenowy> it's also what happened on wiki.pine64.org
<MoeIcenowy> model A is only available for some developers as samples
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<mripard> I understand why this is an issue for pine64
<mripard> but let's take the opposite side here: I'm a user, I happen to have a model-A
<mripard> what happens if I just upgrade my kernel without changing *anything* other than the kernel image?
<MoeIcenowy> there's a high chance that a user will get model B instead of A
<mripard> it's broken
<MoeIcenowy> they will find a regression when updating DT to 5.6
<MoeIcenowy> and for model A users, the "pine-h64" devicetree never has support for its Ethernet
<mripard> and HDMI ?
<MoeIcenowy> yes
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<mripard> there's no good solution here, but technically the mistake was originally claiming that the model B was compatible with model A, while it wasn't
<KotCzarny> if they want model_a to be special, make it so?
<KotCzarny> changes happen
<MoeIcenowy> I asked TL whether they will respin model A
<montjoie> oh yes I forgot the introducing of model B
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<montjoie> jernej: sbbg: check for the new model B
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<montjoie> DT
<mripard> KotCzarny: you can't change that after the facts
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<KotCzarny> it's a bug, bugs need to be fixed, no?
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<MoeIcenowy> precisely we introduced a regression for model B users
<MoeIcenowy> although fixing it will introduce a regression for model A users
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<mripard> The bug was that the model B wasn't compatible with the model A
<KotCzarny> still, if the above comment is true, pine64 folks want pine64_b to be one and only pine64
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<mripard> and still, you can't change the board meant to be supported by one DTS after the facts
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<KotCzarny> then split it into pine64 and pine64_model_a ?
<mripard> that would mean we changed the board meant to be supported by the pineh64 dts after the facts
<KotCzarny> if there is a mess, better to fix it proper than to worsen the spaghetti in the future?
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<mripard> you can't fix it proper
<mripard> it sucks in both situations
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<KotCzarny> fix it in a way that affects smallest population and doesnt introduce additional work in the future
<mripard> and it's already a mess, no matter what we do
<mripard> so, the actual fix would be to catch that during review
<mripard> I'm sure you want to help future messes, so I assume you're now a volunteer to review any upcoming board support?
<KotCzarny> i dont think i have a pine64 board unfortunatelly
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<mripard> neither wens nor I have all the Allwinner boards supported in Linux, so it's fine
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<montjoie> anyway the modelB is in 5.6... to late to chaneg anything
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<KotCzarny> what would 'reviewing' require?
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<tllim> when the icenowy's H6 PCIe driver completed and upstream. PINE64 plan to release the PINE H64 model A SBC again and revised the circuit match up with model B.
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<willmore> Are any of the SPI implementations on the different allwinner processors better than any other? I'm looking to do an experiment with some Wiznet w5500 chips and I want to give them as good of a chance to perform well as practical.
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<andy25225> hello humanbeans.... i have some old pcDuino v2's... does anybody know if the nand chip is usable, or did all work on these devices die off?
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