<Turl>
I just noticed.. I won't have any use for sata :(
<Turl>
the hdd I was going to use was on a case
<Turl>
and it died meh :(
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<mnemoc>
no old laptop with sata disk to steal?
<traeak>
hehe, a laptop with sata is "new" to me
<mnemoc>
my last 3 have had sata...
<Turl>
mnemoc: I have only ever had one laptop :P
<Turl>
which is the one I'm using to type this
<mnemoc>
i tend to forget the age factor :p
<mnemoc>
my first laptop (a thinkpad) had windows 3.11
<Turl>
sata didn't gain much traction after the P4 era though
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<Turl>
until after*
<mnemoc>
P4=2000
<mnemoc>
s/=/>=/
<ibot>
mnemoc meant: P4>=2000
<mnemoc>
ibot!
<Turl>
sata was a like 2001-2002 thing as far as I recall
<mnemoc>
yes, sounds reasonable
<Turl>
so you replaced your laptop 3 times in 10 years, once every 3 years and a bit, sounds reasonable
<mnemoc>
my current is 1yo
<mnemoc>
but yes 3-4y
<traeak>
sata standard created in 2003
<Turl>
$ sudo dmidecode|grep Release
<Turl>
Release Date: 07/28/2009
<traeak>
so there's lag time of course for getting controllers implemented
<traeak>
and time for drives to catch up
<mnemoc>
not long ago machines still had usb1... and in win 95 you had to install tcp/ip support as an extension...
<mnemoc>
these days we just give their existance as facts of life
* Turl
used an IBM Aptiva with windows98
<Turl>
or 95 was it?
<mnemoc>
back then I was fan of an unknown manufacturer.... first called multitech (the brand of my first 8086) and then rebranded as "acer".... very exotic
<Turl>
my laptop is an acer
<Turl>
:P
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<traeak>
nice, lenovo has some x120e's with e350s for 285USD
<traeak>
outlet
<traeak>
scratch and dent (not refurb)
<mnemoc>
traeak: that's what I use currently. 4GB model
<mnemoc>
traeak: my first computer was a multitech 8086, then 286, 386, 486sx, 486dx2 and "pentium" ... all acer :)
<traeak>
mnemoc: memory is ridiculously cheap so that's a non issue
<mnemoc>
traeak: great machine
<traeak>
my first was a 386-25, added cyrix co-processor
<mnemoc>
love it
<traeak>
i waited until colege to get a computer
<traeak>
probably very wise move
<mnemoc>
i remember I bought the 386 only to rip stereo MP3s :p
<traeak>
i had the computer 2 years then sold it :-p
<traeak>
waited for another 3 years to buy another, missed out on the start of the "web"
<rm>
computers are overrated :)
<traeak>
mnemoc: the stinkpad woudl be a good machine if you didn't hvae to worry about grubby 2yro mitts dumping candy into it
<rm>
well, as we know them
<traeak>
i need a funky "split" keyboard to do any serious typing
<traeak>
otherwise i toast my wrists
<traeak>
what sucks is that MS seems to be the primary manufacturer of split keyboards
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<Turl>
traeak: MS hardware is, contrary to their software, good :)
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<traeak>
Turl: i still HATE giving them any money regardless
<Turl>
I won't blame you for that
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<nikk>
guys, don't you have standby issues on 3.0.36 android kernel?
<nikk>
and it looks like it related to rtc or alarm
<mnemoc>
nothing in that upgrade should affect standby.... might you test jumping back to the sunxi-v3.0.31-1 tag?
<nikk>
mnemoc, hm, i saw same behaviour on 3.0.31 (external usb hub blinking again on 3.0.36)
<nikk>
but it was fine after some config changes. I tried disable user wakelocks on 3.0.36, but PM won't work without it
<mnemoc>
uh, google docs as paste service... that's new for me
<traeak>
coffee is good for you
<mnemoc>
not for a battery powered device
<traeak>
should be some way to turn coffee into an energy source
<mnemoc>
coffee based fuel cells?
<Triffid_Hunter>
traeak: gasifiers can run on coffee grounds
<traeak>
coolio
<traeak>
coffee grounds inside a balloon seem to make for a superior robotic "hand"
<traeak>
put grounds in balloon, put in air and the balloon shapes itself to object, suck out all the air and bam, instant rigidity
<Turl>
burn coffe and use the heat to boil water, then produce energy
<Turl>
coffee*
<traeak>
or use grounds for compost :-p
<traeak>
okay back on track i think
<nikk>
it's always wake with event: 0x11 SUSPEND_WAKEUP_SRC_EXINT: 0x1, SUSPEND_WAKEUP_SRC_ALARM: 0x10. and tablet reports zero sleep time and many attempts in adb shell cat /sys/kernel/debug/suspend_time: time (secs) count: 0 - 1 7037
<nikk>
mnemoc: i heard there are many cool places also (in scotland). have a warm wool from there )
<Turl>
traeak: colombia?
<mnemoc>
.co != CO
<traeak>
Turl: colorado...colombia the humidity filters out a lot of the sun radiation
<mnemoc>
Turl: americans assume the world knows the postal code of their states :p
<Turl>
:)
<Turl>
internationally CO is usually colombia :P
<nikk>
i want to visit .co someday =)
<traeak>
heh
<traeak>
mnemoc: of corse why shouldn't you? :-p
<mnemoc>
except for americans where CO is colorado and colombia is the name of their private cocaine and coffee factory
<traeak>
i didn't even know colombia had internet
<nikk>
it even exist in Nepal )
<nikk>
isdn lnes )
<Turl>
traeak: how would they coordinate drug shipping without the interwebz? :)
<mnemoc>
:p
<nikk>
)))
<traeak>
actually the problem here is the weather is so nice i religiously biked to work 2-3 days a week for a couple of years...same side of my face hit by the sun morning and afternoon
<traeak>
hehe
<traeak>
anyways
<Turl>
how much of a bike run?
<traeak>
hmm....
<traeak>
almost 20km each way
<traeak>
maybe closer to 18
<nikk>
in 10 minutes? )
<Turl>
10 minutes? lol
<traeak>
no, ~40mins or so
<Turl>
maybe if you had a jetpack you'd get in 10m :)
<traeak>
the way it is here i had head winds both ways
<nikk>
honda cbr600 will pass ))
<traeak>
about 1000m elevation change
<traeak>
sry 300m (hehe)
<traeak>
bike trails about 80% of the way which made it pretty cool
<traeak>
kids killed that
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<TomNL>
does anyone know if a usb keyboard/mouse should work with ics on mele?
<rm>
did you try and they don't?
<TomNL>
i tried a trust keyboard with mouse, but its wireless
<TomNL>
i am wondering if anyone else tested
<steev>
TomNL: SHOULD yes, do they... no one knows
<TomNL>
steev: hehe thnx
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<rm>
try different ports
<rm>
maybe some port is configured as a 'device' not host
<rm>
or not enabled
<TomNL>
k thnx
<steev>
hm, that does remind me i wanted to test that second port on my tablet
<TomNL>
else i will hook up adb to see what is does
<TomNL>
gimli: did you get any news on new linux libs?
<gimli>
nope
<TomNL>
gimli: mmm too bad
<gimli>
working on it
<TomNL>
gimli: ok, I got my mele today...i will try to help once i get android running ok, and linux from SD
<traeak>
any torrent for the newest mele ics?
<traeak>
tried getting that before and well...
<traeak>
paint dries dramatically faster than that download was going
<TomNL>
its on lundman's ftp
<rzk>
is it only me, but freebirds in mail list looks like a good troll
<traeak>
ugh not sure which one...
<traeak>
okay got it
<traeak>
reading helps
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<hno>
rzk, not a troll, but certainly not a normal average person.
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<steev>
i should sub to the ml
<mnemoc>
steev: you are missing all the fun :)
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<steev>
yeah i know, but i'm super busy with work :(
<hno>
steev, sort it to a mail folder, and periodically Ctrl-A DEL when not having time to read.
<steev>
hno: this is 2012, no need to delete any emails, just mark all as read
<mnemoc>
wasteful thinking
<zenitraM>
"When the crackers procure the MAC address of my network adapter, I discard it and replace it with a new one."
<zenitraM>
what the... i don't even...
* mnemoc
doesn't read freebirds mails anymore
<steev>
hah
<steev>
not that it's hard, you can change your MAC at will
<zenitraM>
well, on the a10 he has the advantage of not having a mac address *at all*
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<hno>
steev, this is 2012, no need to save any list emails, they are all archived in 100 copies easily browseable on the net.
<hno>
steev, ofcourse you can change the MAC, but what's the point?
<steev>
dunno
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<specing>
mnemoc: can you enable https on linux-sunxi.org?
<mnemoc>
specing: no :( .... but maybe there extensions to enable federated login to a service you trust?
<specing>
Why not?
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<mnemoc>
only one ip, and the only free CA supporting wildcards I would use if not supported broadly (cacert.org)
<mnemoc>
s/if/is/
<ibot>
mnemoc meant: only one ip, and the only free CA supporting wildcards I would use is not supported broadly (cacert.org)
<specing>
mnemoc use a selfsigned, like I do
<specing>
The browser I use doesen't even check for CA signatures
<specing>
the CA system is broken anyway
<specing>
Its just used as a cash cow
<mnemoc>
that's yours. mine does validate
<specing>
giving a false sense of security
<specing>
can you *please* enable https?
<mnemoc>
no
<specing>
You dont have to use it yourself...
<mnemoc>
bad ssl is more harmful that no ssl
<mnemoc>
I can enable federated login.... assuming there are extensions for that, or buy a commercial cert and extra ip if the site ever gets used, or both
<specing>
Dude the CA system is broken anyway
<mnemoc>
I won't encourage people to accept bad certs, ever
<specing>
...
<specing>
Well Im going to disable normal http in the next couple of days on my server
* hno
liks the idea of PGP SSL certs.
<specing>
hno: you should check out crypto anarchy :)
<hno>
there is several CAs who give out free certs for single domains.
<mnemoc>
hno: fully agree... I worked for years at cacert.org trying to get the f* $audit$ passed... but I won't put my grain of sand to encourage people to blindly accept warnings
<hno>
agreed.
<hno>
so get them to import the CAcert CA instead?
<mnemoc>
I would buy^Wrent the extra ip, so we can use a free single domain cert, but only if people actually uses the wiki
<mnemoc>
hno: I do that where I have some level of control over the audience (private web apps), but on sites intended as public it's kind of.... complicated
<Turl>
mnemoc: SSL over IPv6?
<hno>
Turl, what about it?
<Turl>
(is that even possible? ipv6 are usually free)
<specing>
Just be fast, otherwise there might be yet another wiki going up
* hno
fails to see the connection
<Turl>
hno: get a cert over ipv6, no need to buy a v4
<Turl>
(if it is possible, that is)
<hno>
Get an IPv6 for https on the wiki you mean?
<Turl>
yeah
<Turl>
besides most of the people who have v6 at this point know how to add a CA
<hno>
If only at least some users in Europe or US had IPv6...
<mnemoc>
my ISP doesn't even plan to add ipv6 any time soon...
<hno>
My hosting provider do have IPv6... you get charged 1 SEK per IPv6, 10 SEK per IPv4.