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<phf> heh, we now also have a heathen logger.
<mircea_popescu> i invited him, actually.
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* phf nods
<mircea_popescu> possibly the most logged channel on freenode, by now.
<phf> i like some features that he has, live updates, also the convention of <date>#<id>;<filter>
<phf> err, wait that actually made no sense..
<mircea_popescu> seems to work, like a search.
<phf> well, right, it highlights a specific post, but also filters, so ...#;foo works as a whole day filter
<mircea_popescu> not a terrible idea, imo.
<mircea_popescu> in fact, a per-day filtered-histogram could conceivably be very fucking useful hunting down large topics.
<mircea_popescu> put one pixel line per day, from top to bottom, counting the occurences of $filter.
<phf> that would be a useful feature, that's almost like a part of search functionality
<mircea_popescu> sorta numerically enhanced topic finding.
<phf> because #; in question is a javascript and for a specific day. since we use links for xref, i'm not sure what the semantic value of linking is going to be in that case. also mandatory javascript
<mircea_popescu> not mandatory js at all, can do this server side
<mircea_popescu> make a call like histograph?derpage, puts out a png with the histograph for that item
<phf> oh you mean your example, not what whitequark has
<mircea_popescu> well yes.
<mircea_popescu> i don't think the functionality as such is particularly useful, i prefer the search. however the perspective actually is, filters would prolly empower the searching mind.
<mircea_popescu> some kind of noun density or such.
<mircea_popescu> phf you know what you could do, add it to search pages. would that be a lot of cpu ? to spit out a png maybe 2k x 200 tall, and link it from a compressed version on the search page.
<phf> that's what i'm thinking :)
<mircea_popescu> compressed version always page width, allowing thus to produce a proper as-wide-as-days-to-date item.
<phf> hmm, i'm not groking the whole compressed version thing
<mircea_popescu> let's specify.
<mircea_popescu> you decide on an image to be displayed on search page, specifically. "i want it 1024 x 168 pixels". you separately produce a png, as wide as day count, and as tall as daycount * 168 / 1024 rounded. you fill that png with the proper lines, proportionally (so highest count day gets full line, all other days get proportional line). then you scale it down to 1024 x 168. you publish this scaled down item on the search page, and yo
<mircea_popescu> u use it as an anchor to the full size item.
<mircea_popescu> can keep all of these in a world-accessible directory which is purged say weekly. or whatever, "once a week of all items older than a week" like the pastes.
<phf> ah word
<mircea_popescu> sorta like what you already do with line debit per day.
<mircea_popescu> but, honestly, you might ALSO make that full width and use the same approach for it.
<mircea_popescu> as opposed to the current what is it.
<phf> right now it's tracking proportional message count per hour, so perhaps message count per minute, but then it's a 1440 pixels width
<phf> hmm, actually i don't think per minute is any indicator of anything.
<mircea_popescu> you just decide on a pixel count based on your design, and then you split the 24 * 3600 day into that many units
<mircea_popescu> you'll basically get a smoother curve than what you have now
<mircea_popescu> hm, this isn't very workable in fact, your log page is not fixed width is it. just flows.
<BingoBoingo> In other graphics https://i.imgur.com/y4Src5L.png
<mircea_popescu> wut is this inept crap
<phf> so right now we have exactly 2048 days of log (though that number makes me suspect maybe my day counter is broken somehow)
<mircea_popescu> o.O
<mircea_popescu> this calls for like a celebration or something.
<mircea_popescu> phf heathen doesn't even begin to describe it btw. fellow has not just the logger, but a pile of cogent stuff, say https://lab.whitequark.org/notes/2017-11-08/accessing-intel-ich-pch-gpios/ while at the same time managing to work for patent nonsense (quantum computer makers etc), retweeting alf's favourite isis and so on and so forth.
<mircea_popescu> one day i'll understand how this sense-nonsense alloying works.
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<mircea_popescu> "Traditional gateware design with Verilog and VHDL is well known to be tedious and inefficient. M-Labs have developed Migen, a Python-based HDL and toolbox that addresses many of their issues and makes gateware design more productive. Built on Migen, MiSoC provides a high performance, flexible and lightweight solution to build system-on-chips for various applications."
<gabriel_laddel> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740498 < "Are you employed? The courts are looking for lost wages in medmal cases"
<a111> Logged on 2017-11-18 22:31 ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: what'd the lawyer say?
<mircea_popescu> a really ? finally moved to limit the tort nonsense via employment weird trick ?
<gabriel_laddel> After that call + several others failing to pick up, I gave up on the whole thing. If you lived out here, you'd not expect sanity from the court system, or any established entity tbh
<mircea_popescu> sux.
<gabriel_laddel> Finally figured out how to score meth tho. Tis the bomb diggity & works exactly as I noted here in the logs prior to finding it.
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<a111> Logged on 2017-11-24 04:35 phf: asciilifeform: ty, and another question, where was the code for that com1 to display thing that you had?
<a111> Logged on 2017-08-01 18:53 asciilifeform: http://archive.is/OqECs for posterity.
<phf> ty
<phf> ~~0.90s operation on average
<BingoBoingo> <gabriel_laddel> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740498 < "Are you employed? The courts are looking for lost wages in medmal cases" << You are supposed to answer "My wages are sin, I am loosing enjoyment from life from this suffering"
<a111> Logged on 2017-11-18 22:31 ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: what'd the lawyer say?
<BingoBoingo> !!Up gabriel_laddel
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<gabriel_laddel> Brånemark spent almost 30 years fighting the scientific community for acceptance of osseointegration as a viable treatment. In Sweden he was often openly ridiculed at scientific conferences.
<gabriel_laddel> Every.Single.Time.
<a111> Logged on 2017-11-24 05:46 phf: …
<BingoBoingo> gabriel_laddel: You know... forced marches are for consumables... Not for capital...
<asciilifeform> the q invites itself -- forced march to ~where~
<gabriel_laddel> asciilifeform Lispm.
<asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-01#1575702 << see also
<a111> Logged on 2016-12-01 18:19 asciilifeform: but quite destructive to folx who are doing equivalent of ~planning~ the march
<BingoBoingo> Is it in forced march distance? y/N
<BingoBoingo> In other news: "Kenwanna Randolph, a 24-year-old woman from Chicago, was traveling northbound on Illinois Avenue approaching Mill Street when she reported not seeing the officer’s emergency lights or hearing the siren. The front of Randolph’s Ford Fiesta struck the passenger side of the police car, causing major damage to both vehicles, police said. "
* asciilifeform pictures prenatal biography, beginning with a 'hey ken, wanna...'
<BingoBoingo> lol
<phf> gabriel_laddel: i have a yoga mat, a strip of lsd, a supply of codeine and a medical insurance card; i don't question their usefulness, i just think it's important to be able to discriminate, so as to apply each one of them appropriately
<asciilifeform> http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-30#1575188 << see also also , gabriel_laddel
<a111> Logged on 2016-11-30 23:38 asciilifeform: dopes that make the eater happier to do repetitive / dumb task, are death to programmer.
<asciilifeform> oh neato
<phf> these'll be disabled when i go to sleep in a few though
<asciilifeform> pheature req : dragon line
<phf> i don't know what that is, please link to relevant materials
<asciilifeform> the b-a split
<phf> also perhaps suggestions for choice of function
<phf> haha, k
<gabriel_laddel> While I'm here: At no point did I forget that I'd agreed to build the archiver - however I was banned from the place I'd arranged to host it on 3(!) separate occasions.
<asciilifeform> where ?
<phf> it might actually be cheaper to roll the operation into search, and then use an inline base64 img..
<gabriel_laddel> Nor have I forgotten $ELSE. Simply overestimated own ability / underestimated the complete idiocy of surrounding populace
<gabriel_laddel> asciilifeform: https://embassynetwork.com/locations/embassysf/
<BingoBoingo> gabriel_laddel: Have you considered leaving SF?
<asciilifeform> '... an experiment in creating a home built around purpose, intention, and exploration. We are 13 residents and we employ experimental, fluid use of space, sharing behaviors and the creation of new ways of being. Within our space we have short term guest spaces and during the day the space is used by writers, artists, hackers and film makers.'
<gabriel_laddel> BingoBoingo The INSTANT I have an option out, I'm gone.
* BingoBoingo would suggest walking, but...
<gabriel_laddel> hahahaa
<asciilifeform> !!up gabriel_laddel
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<BingoBoingo> Now gabriel_laddel you do know that your forced march medicine is going to increase you dental expenses, yes?
<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: d00d still got 1 leg left, neh
<asciilifeform> legs aint the problem
<BingoBoingo> Head legs may be...
<gabriel_laddel> BingoBoingo I'm aware.
<asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: i gotta nitpick, there is afaik no direct connection b/w meth and tooth decay. strictly in the temptation to 'hey i didnt sleep, why brush teeth..'
<BingoBoingo> From my encouters with those how have ended their forced marches while still vertical, mid 4 figure bezzel bucks is standard... or dentures
<BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: The connection is xerostymia, no salivary cleaning action goes on while meth'd
<asciilifeform> much of the physical pathology of meth and coke aficionados is from effect of eschewing sleep, rather than the actual substance
<gabriel_laddel> asciilifeform There is jaw clenching if you accidentally take too much
<BingoBoingo> From what I understand the aggravating factor is vasoconstriction to the mucosa
* asciilifeform can picture
<BingoBoingo> <gabriel_laddel> asciilifeform There is jaw clenching if you accidentally take too much << What accidentally and too much?
<gabriel_laddel> Eg the other day it "didn't kick in", so I had another few mouthfuls of methwater, only to remember "oh fk, I have to have coffee or it won't work"
<gabriel_laddel> then -- BLAM. Tweaking.
<gabriel_laddel> (after coffee, ofc)
<BingoBoingo> WHy not orange juice?
<BingoBoingo> Or vaporize?
<asciilifeform> gabriel_laddel: what do you go to do, when 'kicks in' ? i thought your linux item, were done ?
<asciilifeform> and sold preinstalled on old lenovo lappys or what it was
<phf> revolution never sleeps
<BingoBoingo> Sure it does, sleep is when NYPD beat "Occupy"
<gabriel_laddel> asciilifeform: There is still plenty to do. CLIM's COM-FOO machinery has to be cut & replaced with "functions most often called on / FTYPE matches this as a valid ARG"
<asciilifeform> by hand?!
<gabriel_laddel> Oh god no
<mircea_popescu> phf o hey pretty cool.
<mircea_popescu> i was thinking they'd be horiz right under "x entries in y seconds"
<mircea_popescu> though 1s of churning seems excessive.
<phf> particular graph is x entries per day
<phf> from beginning of log to present day
<phf> horiz can be done
<mircea_popescu> yeah but you happy with that much cpu melt ? i mean, if you get a buncha concurrent searches...
<mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-24#1742862 << amusingly, i have none of those.
<a111> Logged on 2017-11-24 06:08 phf: gabriel_laddel: i have a yoga mat, a strip of lsd, a supply of codeine and a medical insurance card; i don't question their usefulness, i just think it's important to be able to discriminate, so as to apply each one of them appropriately
<phf> well, i'm try-en to make a point here, i only really have a yoga mat..
<mircea_popescu> i suppose i have a coupla girls that have yoga mats...
<gabriel_laddel> phf: the point being? Fwiw, I'm trying to forced march myself into some stable employment while crippled.
<BingoBoingo> gabriel_laddel: How's your spanish?
<mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-24#1742890 << there is, there is. metamphetamine overdrives half the metabolic mechanism, not just the parts you notice.
<a111> Logged on 2017-11-24 06:29 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i gotta nitpick, there is afaik no direct connection b/w meth and tooth decay. strictly in the temptation to 'hey i didnt sleep, why brush teeth..'
* BingoBoingo can keep an eye out for openings for gabriel_laddel in Montevideo
<mircea_popescu> makes saliva way overpeptic, as a result mouth is no longer a balanced system
<gabriel_laddel> BingoBoingo: Nil.
<BingoBoingo> Mebbe pirate some pimsleur?
<BingoBoingo> get a hardware store gig?
<mircea_popescu> there's also the problems of grinding, and on it goes.
<phf> asciilifeform: added a dragon line, some other indicators might be worthwhile, like year markers..
<mircea_popescu> and better colors. like blue/white or somesuych
<phf> well, yes :)
<phf> i still want to try a couple of different image spitting libraries. this one is particularly expensive, nor does it support palette, so adding colors increased its size by two
<mircea_popescu> by now we're far out on the edges of lisp-for-html-imagemagicks.
<mircea_popescu> so don't kill yourself over it ; if it knows no easy solution may be solved in x years, there's pressinger things.
<phf> aye
<phf> am not going to start writing image encoders from scratch
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<mircea_popescu> aaand for the record, the correct way to set the entry message is : "/msg chanserv set #trilema entrymsg To speak in #trilema you must be voiced" etc.
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<deedbot> http://trilema.com/2017/trilema-maintenance/ << Trilema - #trilema maintenance
<diana_coman> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-24#1742941 <- to my mind everything that is in there still stands as it is (assuming Qntra will be back soon); perhaps only on the study side but I'm not really sure it makes sense to give very precise items there anyway - who wants to study won't have problems finding what matters for TMSR at any given point anyway and who is not interested won't benefit from more specific items listed there
<a111> Logged on 2017-11-24 14:14 mircea_popescu: and speaking of ^, does http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ need revising ?
<mircea_popescu> myeah.
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<phf> !#s test
<a111> 3129 results for "test", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=test
<phf> btcbase is going down for maintenance
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<phf> ok, here's a more integrated PoC http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+god the image is being generated full scale, but then force by the browser to be 1000px wide. (fwiw, while still cheap, it is more expensive to resize it, than to spit out the whole thing)
<phf> mircea_popescu: ^
<phf> i dropped it to ~~.6s and i'm not messing with it any further. about .3s of that is the search, so image generation and building of histogram is another .3s
<mircea_popescu> pretty great new toy imo
<phf> so the bucket is made by running truncate against a certain divisor on the message timestamp in seconds. so playing with divisor gives me more/less coarse buckets
<phf> right now the bucket is basically 2 days (i.e. 2*24*60*60)
<phf> kind of affects the nature of data, but still preserves the general shape
<phf> i think the only worthwhile optimization left to do is roll the image generation into search.. because right now i'm doing double work, once for the search and once for the image.
<phf> (there can still be a linked separate endpoint that generates a standalone image, possibly at a lower coarseness, etc.)
<phf> the search, btw, cheats. it walks enough history to produce enough entries for current page+5 more pages, so searching for something like mircea_popescu is super fast, because you get 500 entries in less messages
<phf> that's the meaning of 500+, but it gets gradually expanded as you follow the pages, so the speed starts dropping. so the last page of mircea_popescu search (http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mircea_popescu&page=512) takes 0.3s, which is maxint it takes to walk the whole history
<phf> the image generator though has to walk the whole history at once, requiring the same 0.3s at once
<BingoBoingo> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-24#1742943 << Qntra will be online when ISP is. Arrive in Montevideo Dec 6th, interview lawyers for corp, apply for IP address block, and meet people while waiting for LACNIC... ??? ISP
<a111> Logged on 2017-11-24 15:03 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-24#1742941 <- to my mind everything that is in there still stands as it is (assuming Qntra will be back soon); perhaps only on the study side but I'm not really sure it makes sense to give very precise items there anyway - who wants to study won't have problems finding what matters for TMSR at any given point anyway and who is not interested won't benefit from more specific items
<mod6> I've updated the trb-howto guide to include 'curl' in the list of required binaries / packages ; Thanks to whaack for pointing out the glaring omission there.
<BingoBoingo> "The urbanite will claim to be the true representative voice of America, but they are but a degenerated version of it. While we, the ruralites, are the true holders of our myriad cultures!" ... "Once we have achieved this strong base and brotherhood of agrarian identity, we can begin to push aspects of Agrarian Nationalism economically, socially, and politically."
<mircea_popescu> ahahaha wut.
<mircea_popescu> agrarian us ? whjat is this, a monsanto joek ?
<BingoBoingo> Nah, it's the other dreamers
<BingoBoingo> You know make America great again, as in Antebellum...
<mircea_popescu> ridoinculous
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