apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.0.0-p247: http://ruby-lang.org (Ruby 1.9.3-p448) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com
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<RickHull1> drbrain: http://guides.rubygems.org/ this still recommends `gem build` with a .gemspec on the filesystem, in a few places. i much prefer Gem::PackageTask, per your blog post
<freedrull> is there something like rubular but for xpath ? :|
<RickHull1> i.e. dynamically create the Gem::Specification, and use rake to build it
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<RickHull1> is there any merit to recommending `gem build` any more?
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<drbrain> rickhull1: for a single gem, writing your own gemspec is the easy way to go
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<RickHull1> yeah, i think it makes the most sense in that context
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<RickHull1> here is the simplest way to do it
<RickHull1> i'd like to see a followup though, in every case where that happens
<RickHull1> i got the impression that `gem build` is simply how it's done
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<RickHull1> and i spun my wheels for hours writing code to generate/rewrite a .gemspec file
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<erikh> rubocop
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: pong
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<injekt> soup
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<judofyr> hey injekt
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<judofyr> what's a good library for generating PNGs?
<judofyr> I want to draw lines, dots, and *maybe* some text
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<charliesome> judofyr: raw bmps then image magick it into a png? :p
<judofyr> charliesome: well, I can use ChunkyPNG for generating PNG
<judofyr> but it doesn't have line drawing stuf
<judofyr> f
<judofyr> or text for that matter
<judofyr> I don't actually need text
<charliesome> back in my day all we had were hand drawn pixels
<charliesome> you'd be lucky if you had any colour choice over than black and white
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<judofyr> yeye
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<injekt> pen and paper
<judofyr> Xiaolin Wu's algo, nice
<charliesome> pfft who needs fancy algorithms
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<judofyr> no width though
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<yorickpeterse> morning
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: what public APIs would you like to have documented the most? Quite a bit of parser is new to me
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: semver requires all of them to be documented... but not all of parser's API is public
<whitequark> in fact I think most of it isn't
<yorickpeterse> semver is not a religion
<whitequark> I want parser to follow semver.
<yorickpeterse> there's a lot of stuff in parser that I'm not familiar with so you'd have to do that yourself
<whitequark> sure
<whitequark> so... parser.rb, diagnostic.rb, rewriter.rb, syntax_error.rb (that also needs some accessors, yeah)
<whitequark> static_environment.rb is internal, same for runner.rb and all runner/ hierarchy... runners may become public at some point but not now
<whitequark> all lexer/ and builder/ stuff is internal
<whitequark> ast/, diagnostic/ and source/ are all external
<whitequark> that should be about all
<erikh> hi
<whitequark> ohai
<yorickpeterse> put that in the issue
<yorickpeterse> 'cause I'll forget
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: done
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<erikh> !dong
<erikh> err
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<yorickpeterse> "We need an extra screen in the dev cage. I liberated the black one" hm, on second thought that looks a bit weirder than expected
<yorickpeterse> (the screen is actually black)
<erikh> yes yes
<erikh> continue with the cool story
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<yorickpeterse> shaddap
<erikh> :P
<yorickpeterse> and ugh, the b43 driver really makes me depressed
<yorickpeterse> worse: there are no alternatives that I know of
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: swap it for iwlagn or ath9k or something
<whitequark> to get a permission, force your boss to use b43 for a day
<yorickpeterse> iwlagn works with this crappy broadcam chip?
<yorickpeterse> also, iwlagn is no more
<yorickpeterse> it's merged with iwlwifi I believe
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: eh? you need a different chip, one way or another
<whitequark> and it's iwlwifi who merged with iwlagn, but the end result is same
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<yorickpeterse> hmpf
<yorickpeterse> I can't really replace the chip in this macbook
<whitequark> you can
<whitequark> it's installed on a detachable module
<erikh> wait
<erikh> what for?
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<whitequark> erikh: macbook has that crappy broadcom chip
<erikh> well yes
<erikh> but it's fine on o sx
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: this is not my macbook, I can't really fuck around with the hardware
<erikh> are you running the lunix?
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<yorickpeterse> yes
<erikh> oh my
<whitequark> erikh: hilariously enough it's just as bad on windows
<whitequark> Apple literally had to rewrite the entire broadcom driver themselves to make it work
<erikh> so I just got a thinkpad
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<whitequark> and on the next generation they migrated to atheros
<erikh> it is the best lunix laptop ever
<yorickpeterse> thinkpads are decent
<whitequark> yeah, 'cause lunux devs are on thinkpads :p
<yorickpeterse> they're ugly as sin though
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: otoh, they work for decades
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<yorickpeterse> NASA uses them for a reason
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<whitequark> I'd really want to have a High-DPI thinkpad :/
<whitequark> idk, when the pc industry will finally start to use decent panels widely
<whitequark> before or after it dies
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<erikh> google uses them too
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<erikh> whitequark: this thing is pretty crisp
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<erikh> looks great in the sunlight too
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<whitequark> erikh: I totally believe
<erikh> I mean, I have a retina right over here, I'd be hard-pressed to notice the difference
<whitequark> huh?
<erikh> my work laptop is a retina mac
<erikh> aka high dpi
<injekt> LAR DE DAR
<whitequark> yeah; and I readily notice the difference between *my* laptop and actual retina
<erikh> sure.
<whitequark> (but it's not enough to switch to mac, kekeke)
<erikh> I'm just saying the thinkpad I got was about half the price and you can't tell
<injekt> thinkpads are dope
<erikh> well, actually, that retina... about 1/3 the price
<yorickpeterse> erikh: what thinkpad do you have?
<whitequark> I guess it depends on your priorities. after looking at crappy low-dpi tft panels for most of my life, I'm not going back to that again
<erikh> yorickpeterse: i530
<erikh> t530 rather
<injekt> also my anti-glare mbp screen is <3333
<whitequark> erikh: and I don't even care about price
<erikh> injekt: yeah, but it's got nothing on this
<erikh> I called my wife outside ot look
<erikh> I was that amazed
<erikh> it just pops in the sunlight too
<erikh> it was really amazing.
<injekt> hmm
<injekt> well
<erikh> sorry, I'm super jazzed about this thing
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<injekt> shit
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<erikh> I'm an ass
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<erikh> FORGIVE ME
<injekt> I'm wondering whether to get a retina mbp or an imac
<whitequark> :D
<injekt> I have an external monitor for my current mbp though
<yorickpeterse> erikh: noice
<erikh> so, with the retinas if you have a 1080p monitor and you only use one screen at a time, you'll have to unfullscreen and re-fullscreen things occasionally
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<yorickpeterse> 11:30, reckon I'd write some code
<erikh> one thing that's driving me nuts about this thing
<erikh> god damn trackpad
<erikh> is so sensitive
<erikh> heh
<yorickpeterse> also, office photos: http://i.imgur.com/2epuAtY.jpg
<injekt> 10:30 and I've written all the code
<erikh> nice office
<injekt> needs more shit
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<erikh> 2:30am and I should be in bed
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<erikh> but, fuck it.
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<whitequark> erikh: can't you configure it?
<erikh> playing with syndaemon
<whitequark> syndaemon is another thing
<whitequark> you need synclient
<erikh> oh
<erikh> haha
<whitequark> (is it even synaptics?)
<erikh> how do I enable that?
<erikh> fuck if I know
<whitequark> $ synclient -l
<whitequark> try that ^
<erikh> seems to give back data
<whitequark> excellent
<whitequark> try MinSpeed/MaxSpeed/AccelFactor
<whitequark> setting
<whitequark> synclient MaxSpeed=1.5
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<whitequark> like that
<yorickpeterse> injekt: we just moved in a few days ago
<yorickpeterse> there will be a big closet in the center
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<erikh> why? this is about typing, not moving
<yorickpeterse> plus I want some plants in here
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<whitequark> erikh: so you accidentally touch it? ok
<whitequark> I think there is an option for that
<erikh> palmdetect
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<whitequark> right
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<erikh> syndaemon actually does what I want
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<yorickpeterse> erikh: eh? I just lowered the sensitivity in Xfce
<erikh> even with PalmDetect=0
<yorickpeterse> no need for synfuckyouclient
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<erikh> it just runs that for you
<erikh> and i don't use gnome or xfce
<whitequark> erikh: syndaemon didn't work for me, for some reason
<erikh> yeah, having good effects here with some tuning
<yorickpeterse> Hm, I wonder what this PIO option for b43 does
<erikh> parallel i/o ?
<yorickpeterse> I already have QoS turned off as that wrecked performance even more
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<yorickpeterse> parm: pio:Use PIO accesses by default: 0=DMA, 1=PIO (int)
<yorickpeterse> "Programmed input/output" apparently
<erikh> oh
<erikh> I'm stupid when it comes to that shit
<yorickpeterse> Hm, apparently DMA (the default) is better anyway
<erikh> i know it's that way for HDDs
<erikh> DMA came after PIO
<erikh> was a big deal when I was a kid
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<yorickpeterse> brb, trying the `wl` driver
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<erikh> there's another wl-alike that I can't remmeber the name of
<erikh> starts with a h
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<erikh> wait
<erikh> madwifi
<erikh> that's it
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<yorickpeterse> well that didn't work out
<yorickpeterse> install wl, fails to associate
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<yorickpeterse> doesn't even show devices when scanning
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<yorickpeterse> postmodern: thanks for making ruby-install
<yorickpeterse> I switched back to chruby from rvm after rvm pissed me off too much
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<charliesome> yorickpeterse: because of your new twitter avatar, you've advanced to the status of ruby thought leader ;)
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<yorickpeterse> kneel before me
<yorickpeterse> brb lunch
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<postmodern> yorickpeterse, excellent :)
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<postmodern> yorickpeterse, can't wait to finish this quarter up, have some time to fix some things in ruby-install
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<yorickpeterse> chruby is still borken in Tmux though
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<judofyr> yorickpeterse: how?
<postmodern> yorickpeterse, damn it, why can't i get it to work in tmux
<judofyr> yorickpeterse: I'm using it fine
<postmodern> certain number of tmux/tmuxinator users cannot use it
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<yorickpeterse> judofyr: for whatever reason unless I call `chruby_reset; chruby FOO` it will not set $PATH correctly
<postmodern> yorickpeterse, this sounds familiar
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<postmodern> yorickpeterse, mephux had the same issue with nested shells
<yorickpeterse> yes, I commented on the issue 7 months ago :P
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<postmodern> yorickpeterse, that it was re-setting PATH, but keeping the other env variables
<postmodern> yeah
<postmodern> derp
<postmodern> i swear, it must be something in your shell config
<postmodern> mephux tracked it down to the global zsh config, in how it calls path_helper on OSX
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<postmodern> if only there was a debugger for tmux/shell
<yorickpeterse> sec, I'll pastie my stuff in a few minutes
<yorickpeterse> also need to figure out how to get 1.8 to compile again on Arse linux, even the ruby-build method doesn't seem to work anymore
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<postmodern> yorickpeterse, haha Arse linux
<postmodern> yorickpeterse, another trick is disabling certain optimizations via the CFLAGS
<postmodern> yorickpeterse, but i think that only fixes a segfault with mri 1.8
<yorickpeterse> I had a ruby-build patch for some version, have to dig through the definitions to see which one
<judofyr> yorickpeterse: well, I'm using chruby + tmux perfectly here…
<postmodern> judofyr, should compare versions in that ticket
<yorickpeterse> well, I installed the latest version of chruby yesterday and basically re-started from scratch. Didn't work for me :/
<judofyr> postmodern: link?
<yorickpeterse> judofyr: do you manually change $PATH in your .bashrc?
<yorickpeterse> hm wait, I already ruled out that being the problem
<judofyr> yorickpeterse: I use chruby in .bash_profile
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<postmodern> yorickpeterse, also did you upgrade to ruby-install 0.2.1, i added support for 1.8.7 in there
<yorickpeterse> bah, I don't have my patch here anymore it seems
<yorickpeterse> yes, I'm using 0.2.1
<yorickpeterse> it craps out on some json/rb_intern shit, lemme re-run it
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<yorickpeterse> that's from a simple `ruby-install ruby 1.8`
<yorickpeterse> huh wtf
<yorickpeterse> why is it loading 1.9.3
<yorickpeterse> grrrrr
<yorickpeterse> oh wait, I probably have to clear out my ~/.gem directory
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<yorickpeterse> well then, apparently 1.8 installs fine
<Oak> congrats
<yorickpeterse> I really need to move this to 2.0
<Oak> :)
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<yorickpeterse> postmodern: out of curiosity, why does chruby spit out errors when using an invalid ruby on every command?
<yorickpeterse> don't tell me it hijacks all of them
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<postmodern> yorickpeterse, that will be fixed in 0.3.7
<yorickpeterse> Ah
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<postmodern> yorickpeterse, changed the code to always set the env variable, to prevent re-attempting to auto-load the ruby
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<yorickpeterse> "
<yorickpeterse> I am trying to backport fix for cve-2013-4073 (hostname check bypassing
<yorickpeterse> vulnerability in SSL client) to ruby-1.8.6."
<yorickpeterse> what the fuck
<yorickpeterse> Ruby 1.8.6?
<postmodern> upgrade or DIE
<postmodern> that person should contact RedHat
<postmodern> they love to maintain ancient software, so long as you pay them
<yorickpeterse> probably what the poor soul is already doing
<charliesome> postmodern: this is my business plan
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<postmodern> charliesome, god speed, the real test is in long term support
<postmodern> charliesome, i hear alcoholism rates are high amongst maintainers ;)
<yorickpeterse> I wonder what the b43 maintainers are like
<yorickpeterse> I imagine them being evil neckbeard trolls with a humpback who laugh like maniacs at the thought of people using b43
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<yorickpeterse> jesus, copy-pasting this in weechat with a splitv window is a pain
<yorickpeterse> have to merge them
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<injekt> :)
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<yorickpeterse> :>
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<TheNotary> I've been having trouble getting ruby and gem working proper enough to compile native extensions on windows XP platform
<TheNotary> All of yesterday I played around and tried to get something working, and now I'm finally seeing that I can't even do `gem install json --platform=ruby` it fails compiling the native extension even after getting devkit installed
<TheNotary> does anyone know if ruby installer team somehow broke things so they don't work on 32bit win XP systems?
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<TheNotary> ugghhh... just came across it. I needed an older devkit version that's now labeled with a "tdm" symbol...
<TheNotary> so many hours wasted...
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<woolly> Can anyone tell me what I'm missing here? Activerecord is assuming the time is stored in local timezone, even though default_timezone is UTC. https://gist.github.com/wooly/cb3785d3456f6f876ff5
<woolly> I'm using AR outside of Rails
<toretore> don't cross post
<toretore> oops, sorry
<toretore> wrong channel
<woolly> heh, no worries
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<rickhull> having trouble pushing a gem to rubygems.org. i have my ~/.gem/credentials file with API key. gem push says "You do not have permission to push to this gem."
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<yorickpeterse> whitequark: 'embedded document meats end of file (and they embark on a romantic journey)' <3
<yorickpeterse> but there's also a typo there
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: no
<whitequark> it's deliberate.
<yorickpeterse> ...
<yorickpeterse> "to meat" is not even a verb
<whitequark> doesn't matter
<whitequark> er
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<yorickpeterse> oh
<yorickpeterse> I already pushed to master
<yorickpeterse> lel
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<whitequark> revert it lol
<whitequark> I think I need to stick that link in the source...
<spike|spiegel> quick quick strip that commit before someone else pulls! :P
<whitequark> I admit that this reference is less well-known than I wish it to be
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<TheNotary> does anybody keep windows XP VMs around to ruby with? I'm trying to figure out why `gem install linecache19` fails to compile native assemblies on windows, but linecache is able to be installed as a dependency when doing `gem install ruby-debug19`
<spike|spiegel> rule 1. you don't do ruby on windows. let alone windows xp.
<spike|spiegel> TheNotary: you might be better off the debugger gem
<spike|spiegel> (using)
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<yorickpeterse> whitequark: I'm not a weeaboo, that might be it :>
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<TheNotary> ha, I do avoid mixing ruby and windows ordinarily, but this app is meant to deploy specifically to windows as a windows service
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: also looking at Parser::Rewriter, what's the actual purpose of it?
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<yorickpeterse> the various private methods aren't even called in it
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<yorickpeterse> ah, so it's a base API
<yorickpeterse> then those methods should be protected right?
<yorickpeterse> otherwise they're useless
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<whitequark> hm
<whitequark> you know how private methods work in ruby, right?
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<whitequark> you have to call them without an explicit receiver (or, "self" also works)
<yorickpeterse> >> class A; private; def derp; 10; end; end; class B < A; def herp; derp; end; end; B.new.herp
<yorickpeterse> ...
<yorickpeterse> CHARLIE FIX YOUR BOT
<yorickpeterse> ugh hold on
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<yorickpeterse> oh, syntax error too
<whitequark> huh? it said 10 for me
<yorickpeterse> wait what the fuck
<yorickpeterse> you can call private methods in a subclass?
<yorickpeterse> what is this fucking shit
<yorickpeterse> then what the hell is the point of protected?
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<whitequark> equality
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<yorickpeterse> wat
<whitequark> say you need to write a comparison operator
<whitequark> and there's some data you want to export to other instances of the same class but not to the whole world
<whitequark> so you make it protected.
<yorickpeterse> you can't call a protected method from the outside so if private basically works the same way it's useless
<whitequark> you can, if you're an instance of the same class.
<yorickpeterse> makes me wonder why it's there in the first place
<yorickpeterse> huh
<TTilus> definitely not among the most useful features of ruby the lang
<whitequark> yeah
<TTilus> and the selection of terms "private" and "protected" confuses many
<TTilus> ppl first think of what they have seen in c++ or java
<TTilus> excluding those who don't know enough c++ or java to be confused :)
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<yorickpeterse> heh, seems charlie can't SSL
<yorickpeterse> OpenSSL::SSL::SSLError: hostname does not match the server certificate for eval.in
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<yorickpeterse> lel, charlie thought he could be a cheapass and re-use his charlie.bz SSL cert for eval.in
<yorickpeterse> damn assuies
<yorickpeterse> * aussies
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<wmoxam> charlie don't surf
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<yorickpeterse> whitequark: that article doesn't even work anymore since #src no longer exists
<yorickpeterse> hm, it's now range based
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<yorickpeterse> oh man, this rewriter is pretty neat
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: can you actually insert comments to the AST as well?
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<yorickpeterse> haha oh man, I can do such evil things with this
<yorickpeterse> I HAVE THE POWEERRR!
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<soahccc> Hey guys... I have a sh-wrapper around my ruby script which itself have a direct begin/rescue block for Interrupt exceptions... Interrupting in the startup however will show the pretty large stackstrace... Is there a way to trap this?
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