apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.0.0-p247: http://ruby-lang.org (Ruby 1.9.3-p448) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com
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<brownies> whoa
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<brownies> if i declare #foobar to be private instance method, can i not call it as self.foobar from a non-private instance method?
<brownies> whoa.
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<ryanf> brownies: yeah, no
<ryanf> there's a certain logic to it but it's also kind of a weird way for it to work
<brownies> i agree. it is weird.
<brownies> i'm in the habit of explicitly writing self for everything because imho otherwise all the local references to things start looking like global vars
<brownies> "foobar? what the hell is that? oh it's a local method." much easier to tell right away if it's just written self.foobar
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<chris2> makes more sense to add empty parens then...
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<MouseTheLuckyDog> At the start of a program I do loriginal=local_variables then later I do lvar=local-variables-loriginal and get an empty list. I check loriginal and see that all the local variables even the ones defined later are in loriginal.
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<MouseTheLuckyDog> http://pastebin.com/YYd3yThf
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<MouseTheLuckyDog> http://pastebin.com/YYd3yThf
<MouseTheLuckyDog> I want to list all the variables that I define minus the detrius that ruby includes.
<whitequark> minus what?
<whitequark> $ ruby -e 'p local_variables'
<whitequark> []
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<MouseTheLuckyDog> Oh. Ok. whitequark, I'm a bit disoriented. The thing is that when I run pry and show the local variables there is also a lot of junk in local_variablesw. Let me make a better examplar.
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<MouseTheLuckyDog> Ok hear is a better examplar. http://pastebin.com/Q5cdMGsL
<MouseTheLuckyDog> s/hear/here/
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<naomi> i'm trying to forward an email with the `mail` gem and prepend some text to the body. Anyone know how I can accomplish this?
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<whitequark> I know that dude
<whitequark> he wrote me once
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<judofyr> whitequark: you guys are crazy
<judofyr> JavaScript?
<andrewvos> Javascript?
<andrewvos> The hell
<andrewvos> Jesus christ programmers, stop doing the same things over
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<Olipro> anyone else here use the Windows Ruby 2.0 from the easy installer thing?
<Olipro> specifically, the x64 version
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<Olipro> and if so, do you use it with Rails
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<yorickpeterse> herro
<whitequark> judofyr: JS, yes
<whitequark> I don't think his project is of particular interest; he's doing it as a toy one
<whitequark> which I welcome, because why not
<judofyr> whitequark: aren't they compiling Ruby to JS? couldn't they just compile parser to JS?
<yorickpeterse> I just had to do some serious BS to get on to IRC
<whitequark> hahahaha
<whitequark> judofyr: this is exactly why I think it's not interesting
<whitequark> it's not Ruby
<whitequark> not even "Ruby"
<yorickpeterse> that ^
<judofyr> whitequark: right, it's "JS with Ruby syntax"
<whitequark> it just has a somewhat similar syntax and a liiiittle bit similar semantics on some corners
<whitequark> no
<whitequark> e.g. it has ruby's true/false/nil
<whitequark> with all the implications
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<erikh> I made a fart
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: I probably have some time to write docs for parser this week
<whitequark> yay^_^
<erikh> look at my new gem fartser
<yorickpeterse> parser 2.0 stable is the only thing keeping me from releasing a beta of ruby-lint now
<Olipro> is there a way to override which platform bundler will use?
<Olipro> i.e. rather than x64-mingw32, make it use ruby
<erikh> my god why am I not asleep
<erikh> ok &
<judofyr> fg
<whitequark> judofyr: he will punch you.
<whitequark> erikh: also there is no gem fartser
<whitequark> Y
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<yorickpeterse> ha wtf
<yorickpeterse> wget keeps crapping out at downloading this 10GB file around 19%
<yorickpeterse> curl doesn't give a fuck, it's currently at 34%
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: 2GB
<yorickpeterse> and?
<whitequark> is it a really old wget?
<whitequark> it used to have an integer overflow problem
<whitequark> at 2**31
<yorickpeterse> nfi, I'll check in a sec
<yorickpeterse> it's centos
<yorickpeterse> so probably old as shit
<whitequark> though some years passed from that moment. five or maybe more
<whitequark> oh yes
<whitequark> that is totally possible
<yorickpeterse> they still ship Python 2.6
<yorickpeterse> ENTERPRISE
<yorickpeterse> "Fuck Yourself as a service"
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<andrewvos> "Chew off your own face as a service"
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: wget 1.12
<injekt> moin
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: pretty sure it has that bug
<whitequark> hell, I tripped over it in like 2007 the last time
<andrewvos> How do you remember that? Do you keep a diary or something? "Dear Diary, Today I tried to download a file larger than 2GB using the unix tool 'wget'. I was unsuccessful..."
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<yorickpeterse> andrewvos: it's called "memory"
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<yorickpeterse> In unrelated news, unpacking a 10GB file on EC2 takes a shitload of time
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<andrewvos> I have terrible memory
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<whitequark> andrewvos: I have strange memory
<whitequark> it's nearly perfect for facts, but nearly nonexistent for emotions.
<whitequark> as you may guess, I have really shitty life.
<judofyr> aww
<judofyr> surely you'll remember this: *hugs whitequark*
<whitequark> I can remember my pondering about __fastcall in C++ ten years ago, but couldn't remember the face of my grandmother, with whom I last met about two.
* whitequark shrugs
<yorickpeterse> NOOOOOOOOOO, wifi crapped out in the middle of my unpacking
<yorickpeterse> at least tar is still running
<yorickpeterse> and there's my connection again, yay for SSH reconnects
<judofyr> yorickpeterse: and that's why you always use screen/tmux
<judofyr> oh
<yorickpeterse> I DIDN'T OK
<yorickpeterse> I FORGOT
<yorickpeterse> You Only SSH Once
<judofyr> can I set `screen` to my default shell over SSH?
<yorickpeterse> tmux > screen
<yorickpeterse> and I don't think so
<judofyr> true
<yorickpeterse> since it's not a shell
<judofyr> but tmux isn't available everywhere
<judofyr> screen is usually installed by default
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<injekt> you can set screen as your login shell
<injekt> you just have to add it to /etc/shells and use defshell in your screenrc
<injekt> or add something to your bashrc
<judofyr> they're laughing so hard in that video
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<whitequark> yeah
<judofyr> love the question at the end
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<judofyr> or, his answer
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<andrewvos> judofyr: You can do this https://gist.github.com/AndrewVos/5899790
<andrewvos> judofyr: Although, that may be more complex than it needs to be.
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<yorickpeterse> whitequark: also, I have a feature request for parser: include location information in syntax errors
<yorickpeterse> right now instances of Parser::SyntaxError only include the message, which makes it useless
<yorickpeterse> at the very least there should be a line number
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* yorickpeterse is writing an XML parser
<yorickpeterse> at least I can now safely say that stack based parser are piss easy to write
<yorickpeterse> (having done it many times so far)
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<yorickpeterse> * parsers
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<retro|cz> bcardarella, hello
<retro|cz> bcardarella, I'm @simi from github.
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: post it on gh
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<yorickpeterse> whitequark: k
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: btw
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<whitequark> it is expected that you do parser.diagnostics.consumer
<whitequark> s,do,set,
<yorickpeterse> But those don't get location info either do they?
<whitequark> of course they do
<whitequark> look at Diagnostic
<whitequark> that's what you are getting
<yorickpeterse> hmm
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<dwatsonuk> Hi, I've just updated to 448 and now I'm getting a warning on ssl use: ssl-internal.rb:91: warning: assigned but unused variable - id
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<dwatsonuk> is this a bug, or do I need to change my usage going from 194-> 448?
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<judofyr> dwatsonuk: I think it's a bug in RUby
<judofyr> dwatsonuk: I think I've seen an issue on the bug tracker
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<dwatsonuk> judofyr, Ah!, a google didn't throw it up for me, thanks!
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<yorickpeterse> heh
<yorickpeterse> foo ||= bar ? bar.length : 0
<yorickpeterse> dat optional assignment
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<ykk`> I can't understand for the life of me why I'm getting an initialized constant https://gist.github.com/anonymous/5900924
<ericwood> hhhhnnnnnnggggg
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<andrewvos> Why is there an issue AND a pull request? https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/issues/8582#change-40206
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<pipework> andrewvos: I suppose someone has conflicting feelings? :D
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<dernise> What's the difference between @varible, @@variable and $variable ?
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<dernise> I can't google it because google ignore @ and $ caract..
<TheMoonMaster> @ is instance, @@ is class, $ is global
<bgant> @@class_variable, @instance_variable, $global
<bgant> or that
<bgant> :D
<ykk`> can someone please tell me if this gem works for them? I can't initialize an object with the Openoffice class http://roo.rubyforge.org/rdoc/
<ykk`> and this is the simplest spreadsheet reader I can see
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<ykk`> i may have to export into excel and use some other gem for that instead of open office cause i can't initialize that gosh darn object
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<dernise> Oh ok, so a global variable is accessible in the entire program ?
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<Mon_Ouie> It wouldn't be very global if that weren't the case
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<kalleth> MY TESTS ARE ALL GREEN :D :D :D
<kalleth> sorry, i just felt the need to share that with someone
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<judofyr> kalleth: nice. now, do you have 100% test coverage? :)
<kalleth> ...shaddap.
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* kalleth installs simplecov
<kalleth> 163 / 166 LOC (98.19%) covered.
<kalleth> close enough.
<dernise> My code is getting me mad :(
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<manveru> dernise: because you use globals? :)
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<dernise> I use only one global. :)
<dernise> This is what is making me mad : scheduler caught exception:
<dernise> exit
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<dernise> I don't know why I have this error.
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<dernise> The problem seems to come from the exit command.
<dernise> What is this command ?
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<dernise> found the problem.
<dernise> Is it possible to fork only a part of a program?
<dernise> I mean fork will copy the same program?
<dernise> So it will also copy the multiple threads?
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<TTilus> theres no such thing as "forking part of a program"
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<TTilus> fork duplicates the calling process
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<erikh> Thread.new { fork }
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<yorickpeterse> but what if I want to fork two running threads?
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<drbrain> fork kills all other threads
<yorickpeterse> BUT WHAT ABOUT THE FORKS??!
<bgant> Spork.new
<Vortico> What the fork
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<rippa> woo
<TTilus> finally
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<darix> rippa: now just wait until all the LTS distros with 1.8.7 on it are out of support too.
<darix> then it will be really gone.
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<Vortico> Heh, I've never really understood "stable" distributions.
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<Vortico> Mark individual software as stable, but not distributions.
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<dernise> yorickpeterse: Will process::fork fork all process ?
<dernise> all threads*
<dernise> ,
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<dernise> I mean, if I use rufus scheduler to schedule some jobs, and if i want to fork my process to run an external program in it, will it also fork fork my jobs ?
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<Mon_Ouie> We should definitely mix forked processes and threads and fibers and callcc in a program
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<darix> you could add drb to the mix
<dernise> i hate forks
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<drbrain> dernise: no, it will only take the thread you fork in with it
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<drbrain> dernise: here's how to verify: ruby -e 'Thread.new { i = 0; loop { puts i += 1; sleep 1; } }; fork { sleep 10; puts "work done" }; sleep 10; puts "main done"'
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<zenspider> omfg I hate waiting
<zenspider> :(
<zenspider> only 1.6 million files to go...
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