2016-04-28 00:14 the autodetect doesn't seem to support dual-head. it usually finds one screen, though. 2016-04-28 00:15 sandeepkr has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2016-04-28 00:24 jwhitmore_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2016-04-28 00:26 I generally despise the basic concept of "autodetect" without interactive override/supervision 2016-04-28 00:27 it's what makes M$ products such unbearable crap 2016-04-28 00:29 any such autodetect aka "smart wizard" always works for 99% of usual cases at best, while failing in a way far beyond what's called 'epic', for the remaining 1+% 2016-04-28 00:29 MistahDarcy has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 00:30 actually it seems those 1% fringe cases never are tested in any of such wizards, and the result when confronting the system with a fringe case are completely unpredictable 2016-04-28 00:30 oh, you have those overrides, in the form of xorg.conf. something i learned to day, though, is that it now ignores instructions in xorg.conf it doesn't like. that's a feature i hadn't noticed before. 2016-04-28 00:31 yeah, poor documentation of any such "override" path is basicaly concept immanent 2016-04-28 00:31 as is missing QA for the same features 2016-04-28 00:31 documentation wouldn't help - there's far too much stuff in xorg.conf :) 2016-04-28 00:31 it's the wrong approach on a very very basic level 2016-04-28 00:32 a visual configurator would be nice. show the cards, show what's connected, try to display something. 2016-04-28 00:32 even the devels think "it's not worth looking into that annoying stuff meant to deal with only <1% of usecases" 2016-04-28 00:33 and that's a immanent result from the "auto wizard" approach 2016-04-28 00:33 the data can be patched together from the x server log, xrandr, and such, but it's messy and very easy to get wrong 2016-04-28 00:33 yep 2016-04-28 00:34 in any case, it just surprised me that two screens was so hard. i'm used to triple-head being an epic uphill battle, but dual-head ought to be less painful. 2016-04-28 00:36 KDE knows to handle dual-head in a very seamless manner, when I plug a new moni to my PC. However I dunno where's the limit at which it again fails completely 2016-04-28 00:38 jow_laptop has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-04-28 00:39 http://wstaw.org/m/2016/04/28/plasma-desktoprj2219.png 2016-04-28 00:39 NB I never configured the system to work dual-headed 2016-04-28 00:39 I just connected a 21:9 moni to a HDI/DP jack I found on backside of this PC 2016-04-28 00:40 jow_laptop has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 00:40 and it instantly switched to dual-headed 2016-04-28 00:41 the screenshot above shows single-moni state though 2016-04-28 00:43 the icons at bottom of a screen symbol are (from left to right): "rotate display 90° counterclockwise", "toggle primary output" and "Show list of available display resolutions" 2016-04-28 00:44 obviously you can rearrange displays by dragging them to where they belong to, and you can enable/disable then with the checkbox. No idea where to switch between multi-desktop and tiled desktop 2016-04-28 00:46 http://wstaw.org/m/2016/04/28/plasma-desktopAc2219.png 2016-04-28 00:51 yeah, i don't have fancy "desktop" utilities to rearrange the server configuration. my workflow is more linear: x server finds and sets up the displays, then fvwm uses them. not even sure what fvwm would do if a new screen suddenly appeared. 2016-04-28 00:53 my comment was more about "this dang KDE obviously does something, and maybe it does it correctly most of them time. Alas no idea WHAT it does, but... it's FOSS so the sourcecode should tell, in an ideal world" 2016-04-28 00:53 yes, sometimes that haystack can be rather big :) 2016-04-28 00:55 http://wstaw.org/m/2016/04/28/plasma-desktopjk2219.png 2016-04-28 00:55 maybe that helps to reduce the haystack 2016-04-28 00:56 looks like a big haystack :) also, the fun bits are probably in some middleware 2016-04-28 01:01 yeah, probably 2016-04-28 01:02 the shitty thin g doesn't even have a cmdline option to open the right subsection for display management 2016-04-28 01:03 would a strace of hitting "Apply" button help you? 2016-04-28 01:10 naw, this works at a completely different level than where i am. i don't want to reconfigure a running x server. i need it to start correctly, given a static configuration. 2016-04-28 01:11 in any case, what i have seems to work. the missing :0 will probably upset some thing, but there shouldn't be a lot of them. 2016-04-28 01:11 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/snapshots/strace-desktopconfigDisplay.txt 2016-04-28 01:11 anyway 2016-04-28 01:13 prolly worthless without /proc/fd/* listing 2016-04-28 01:14 yeah, a lot of binary messages being exchanged with something else. you'd really have to analyze the whole chain of critters to even know what it does. and then that still wouldn't help, since i'm at a completely different interface. 2016-04-28 01:14 xrandr was useful, though, to provide an overview of what i should be looking for in the server log :) 2016-04-28 01:15 http://paste.opensuse.org/14069323 s/without.*// 2016-04-28 01:15 I bet even a dbus-monitor gives better info than that strace 2016-04-28 01:16 and I'd not at all feel surprised to find systemd involved once again 2016-04-28 01:16 :) 2016-04-28 01:22 fengling has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 01:26 btw please hand me a bucket for vo.... err /home/jr/.config/ibus 2016-04-28 01:27 wtf is ibus now? seen that at least 3 times during last year - as if dbus wasn't disgusting enough 2016-04-28 01:30 MHM https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/IBus 2016-04-28 01:32 jr@saturn:~/eagle-7.5> set|grep ibus 2016-04-28 01:32 GTK_IM_MODULE=ibus 2016-04-28 01:32 QT_IM_MODULE=ibus 2016-04-28 01:32 XMODIFIERS=@im=ibus 2016-04-28 01:36 and a `dbus-monitor` made me fall off my chair 2016-04-28 01:37 kcookiejar calls more than the display can cope with 2016-04-28 01:37 http://s7.addthis.com/ what the hell 2016-04-28 01:40 method call sender=:1.62142 -> dest=org.kde.kded serial=504585 path=/modules/kcookiejar; interface=org.kde.KCookieServer; member=addCookies string "http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Refurbished-Nokia-N900-original-unlocked-phone-GPS-WIFI-5MP-32GB-internal-memory-support-Russian-keyboard/1005214_32275594984.html?aff_platform=aaf&sk=eub6yrrBy:&cpt=1460273616786&af=5483&cv=41107&cn=2o5eqc0pqysr2yl45r2zns7f187ul8ml&dp=v5_ 2016-04-28 01:40 2o5eqc0pqysr2yl45r2zns7f187ul8ml&afref=http://colossalous.com/aen/&aff_trace_key=15361670cf5b4bc38079114268a9f600-1460273616786-06680-eub6y" array of bytes "Set-Cookie: isg=8B566AAFD14854C960881B82AD4077B1; expires=Sat, 28-May-2016 01:39:57 GMT; domain=aliexpress.com; path=/" int64 203423763 method return sender=:1.12 -> dest=:1.62142 reply_serial=504585 2016-04-28 01:46 helped me to identify 4 browser windows I closed and thus reduced my CPU load from 10% to 2% 2016-04-28 01:47 (ballpark figures) 2016-04-28 01:51 nice: http://wstaw.org/m/2016/04/28/plasma-desktopRl2219.png 2016-04-28 01:52 anyway checking dbus isn't feasible, way too much noise there 2016-04-28 02:04 archang has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 02:10 archang has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2016-04-28 02:14 archang has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 02:43 archang has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-04-28 02:46 archang has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 02:56 archang has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2016-04-28 03:04 DocScrutinizer05 has quit [Disconnected by services] 2016-04-28 03:04 DocScrutinizer05 has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 03:12 luke-jr has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2016-04-28 03:15 luke-jr has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 03:31 killing runaway tabs is really easy in chromium: since each has its own process, you just kill anything that burns 100% 2016-04-28 03:33 archang has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 03:34 btw, my new monitor has an external power supply. in the 1st generation, the backlights failed first. so i went to LED in the 2nd generation. there, the power supply area failed (always caps, but also accompanied by other bits). let's see where they put the bug in the 3rd generation. 2016-04-28 03:41 archang has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2016-04-28 04:07 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 04:14 lol 2016-04-28 04:20 sb0 has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 04:39 wpwrak: the problem being that this didn't really show up as runaway process in/of browser, the CPU load is mainly with dbus etc I guess 2016-04-28 04:40 (external PSU) same here with this LG 21:9 monitor 2016-04-28 04:40 I'm still undecided if I appreciate or dislike this design 2016-04-28 04:41 on the bright side: it makes simple "UPS" setups pretty easy 2016-04-28 04:41 * DocScrutinizer05 checks the voltage of that PSU) 2016-04-28 04:41 dbus? 2016-04-28 04:41 chromium doesn't use dbus 2016-04-28 04:42 19V@2.1A 2016-04-28 04:42 chromium uses SysV IPC for everything and also shared memory 2016-04-28 04:42 sure 2016-04-28 04:42 but *I* don't use *chromium* ;-D 2016-04-28 04:43 still with konqueror 2016-04-28 04:43 ah, idk about konqueror 2016-04-28 04:44 and konqueror, as a true KDE app, uses dbus for literally everything 2016-04-28 04:44 particularly to connect to kcookiejar 2016-04-28 04:44 okay that's a very stupid design 2016-04-28 04:45 possibly 2016-04-28 04:45 btw 2016-04-28 04:45 SMD reflow with a blowtorch 2016-04-28 04:45 it works quite well 2016-04-28 04:45 then otoh it separates functional blocks, so you could integrate the rendering part incl cookies and all into arbitrary other apps 2016-04-28 04:46 o.O 2016-04-28 04:46 blowtorch? EEEW 2016-04-28 04:46 I bet soldering works quite well, I just wonder how well the silicon chips will work after such torture 2016-04-28 04:46 didn't have a hot air gun or even a skillet yesterday, so did it by using a ts8000 map/pro (propylene) bernzomatic torch as a "hot air gun" 2016-04-28 04:47 note i didn't put anything into the flame, i just used the hot exhaust 2016-04-28 04:47 hmm 2016-04-28 04:47 what surprised me was how sedate it is, it actually took quite long to get the board to reflow temp 2016-04-28 04:47 I literally had an easier time ruining a board with a proper SMD rework station 2016-04-28 04:48 SMD rework station: localized heat, relatively low power, annoying to use--prone to inattentively overheating the PCB and delaminating 2016-04-28 04:49 I'd probably consider pizza carton plus my beloved ATTEN 858D 2016-04-28 04:49 blowtorch: moves MASSIVE amounts of air, 1-2kW of power (iirc), heats up the entire board relatively evenly 2016-04-28 04:49 and you need 1-1.5 minutes to get it to 220 (measured with IR thermometer) 2016-04-28 04:50 my main concern is the water vapor in the exhaust 2016-04-28 04:51 LOL http://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/deadly-wiring-fault-atten-858d-hot-air-rework-station/ 2016-04-28 04:52 (water) quite justified 2016-04-28 04:53 whitequark: any hint on this lil 'problem'? http://paste.opensuse.org/5201752 2016-04-28 04:53 how the heck are those guys loading kernel modules? 2016-04-28 04:54 sudo modprobe 2016-04-28 04:54 modprobe is in sbin and sbin is not in non-root PATH 2016-04-28 04:54 hmm 2016-04-28 04:55 wow you're right 2016-04-28 04:55 usb_storage 53147 0 2016-04-28 04:55 scsi_mod 128229 1 usb_storage 2016-04-28 04:55 \o/ 2016-04-28 04:56 Apr 28 06:55:23 UbiqPKD kernel: SCSI subsystem initialized 2016-04-28 04:56 (PKD = Phillip K. Dick ;-D) 2016-04-28 04:57 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubik 2016-04-28 04:58 Ubiquiti router 2016-04-28 04:59 thought my account was semi-rooted, with all root-usual dirs in PATH 2016-04-28 04:59 this shell is a bitch anyway 2016-04-28 05:00 thanks! 2016-04-28 05:00 yw 2016-04-28 05:03 still no USB memstick showing up anywhere 2016-04-28 05:03 ehci_hcd? 2016-04-28 05:04 this critter has an USB jack that's tagged "for future uses" 2016-04-28 05:04 lemme see 2016-04-28 05:04 modprobe ehci_hcd? 2016-04-28 05:05 yes 2016-04-28 05:07 RROR: Module ehci_hcd not found 2016-04-28 05:07 modinfo 2016-04-28 05:08 hmmm ohci_hcd maybe? 2016-04-28 05:09 http://paste.opensuse.org/33335387 2016-04-28 05:11 they don't ship the driver, or it's no *hci*_hcd 2016-04-28 05:11 which wouldn't be too strange, given this is MIPS64 arch iirc 2016-04-28 05:11 what does lspci say? 2016-04-28 05:12 -su: lspci: command not found 2016-04-28 05:12 mmm no pci 2016-04-28 05:12 no idea 2016-04-28 05:12 ask ubnt? 2016-04-28 05:12 I bet this router has no pci ;-) 2016-04-28 05:12 you'd be surprised 2016-04-28 05:13 yeah, ask ubnt, that's prolly the best advice 2016-04-28 05:13 I've seen MIPS SoCs with internal PCI 2016-04-28 05:13 more than once 2016-04-28 05:13 even ARM SoCs 2016-04-28 05:13 :-D 2016-04-28 05:13 couldn't believe my eyes the first time. turns out atheros makes wireless PHYs with native PCI 2016-04-28 05:14 they just put the entire thing on a SoC when going from "PC addon card" to "SoC based router" 2016-04-28 05:14 http://paste.opensuse.org/55024875 2016-04-28 05:15 I guess I'll check the USB with a ttyUSB/ACM during boot 2016-04-28 05:16 wouldn't be surprised to find it's the bootloader console 2016-04-28 05:16 it might not even be USB 2016-04-28 05:16 just using the USB connector 2016-04-28 05:17 hmm, it's tagged 'USB' anyway 2016-04-28 05:17 or rather, the USB symbol on device plate 2016-04-28 05:17 in manual it's "USB, not used. For future use" OWTTE 2016-04-28 05:24 https://dl.ubnt.com/guides/edgemax/EdgeRouter_ER-8_QSG.pdf >> USB Reserved for future use.<< 2016-04-28 05:25 http://paste.opensuse.org/55151657 2016-04-28 05:25 sorry 2016-04-28 05:25 http://wstaw.org/m/2016/04/28/plasma-desktopmn2219.png 2016-04-28 05:25 I have an ERL device and it has a RJ45 connector 2016-04-28 05:26 except it's actually serial 2016-04-28 05:26 yep, "Console" 2016-04-28 05:27 I still wonder where to get a cable for that BS 2016-04-28 05:28 just make it 2016-04-28 05:28 don't you have an RJ45 crimper? 2016-04-28 05:28 btw I inverted/rotated the fans mechanically so they do sane high airpressure case mode instead of the brainfucked vacuum vleaner mode :-) 2016-04-28 05:28 not sure if there's a difference 2016-04-28 05:28 hmm, I have a db9 jack ;-) 2016-04-28 05:29 for example I did a 1kW chiller, was a bit surprised to discover that the evap has a fan that pulls air through it 2016-04-28 05:29 not pushed 2016-04-28 05:29 pushes 2016-04-28 05:29 might cut a regular patchcable 2016-04-28 05:29 but it works very well nonetheless 2016-04-28 05:30 well, overpressure is much easier to do nice things like http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20160426_001.jpg 2016-04-28 05:30 fengling has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-04-28 05:31 btw that been the reason for watching temperature. Seems my mod cools better than the original setup 2016-04-28 05:31 and keeps inside of device absolutely dustfree 2016-04-28 05:32 http://paste.opensuse.org/55024875 vs (ok, arbitrary) https://help.ubnt.com/hc/en-us/articles/205223410-EdgeMAX-Show-CPU-temperature 2016-04-28 05:36 anyway two similar fans are causing really annoying interference, my ears suffer 2016-04-28 05:37 a rack is mandatory to operate this thing 2016-04-28 05:37 closed type, with door 2016-04-28 05:37 will benefit my PC and UPS as well 2016-04-28 05:40 (fan push/pull) it's mainly a matter of placing filters before where you know air *enters* the case. You can't do that in vacuum cleaner mode (the usual PC mode) 2016-04-28 05:41 the ERpro has ventilation slots *everywhere* 2016-04-28 05:41 now air comes out there, keeping all dust outside 2016-04-28 05:42 in factory config air entered everywhere and came out at the tiny fan apertures 2016-04-28 05:43 I know how devices look inside after doing this a 6 months in my home 2016-04-28 05:43 particularly annoying for laptops which you have a 'lot of fun' cleaning the heatsinks 2016-04-28 05:44 killed 3 laptops with this 2016-04-28 05:46 but *finally* with this nice router my LAN feels sort of secure, with each device having its own eth* IF with its own firewall rules and all 2016-04-28 05:47 learning about ARP-poisoning drove me nuts 2016-04-28 05:47 good luck with ARP poisoning my LAN now ;-P 2016-04-28 05:48 haha yes I pwned the entire Windows domain in high school with ARP poison 2016-04-28 05:48 wouldn't get domain admin had they not use LM hashes though 2016-04-28 05:49 LM? 2016-04-28 05:50 lanman hash 2016-04-28 05:50 never heard of 2016-04-28 05:51 would googling for lanman help? 2016-04-28 05:51 it's a hash algorithm that first changes the password to uppercase then splits it in two 7-character hash 2016-04-28 05:51 passwords over 14 characters or non-ASCII are prohibited 2016-04-28 05:51 ROTFL 2016-04-28 05:51 exactly 2016-04-28 05:51 you don't even need rainbow tables, you can probably crack it with an abacus 2016-04-28 05:51 yeah 2016-04-28 05:52 I did use rainbow tables though, I got ~40% of all passwords in the domain 2016-04-28 05:52 within... two minutes 2016-04-28 05:52 but with proper ARP cache poisoning you can snoop all traffic in your LAN anyway, so... 2016-04-28 05:52 the rest used NTLM which took more work 2016-04-28 05:52 yes, that's how I got the domain admin hash 2016-04-28 05:52 and the rest I pulled from the domain controller using l0pht 2016-04-28 05:52 good fun 2016-04-28 05:53 hehe 2016-04-28 05:53 I reported that to the admin so I haven't even been reprimanded, another guy RATted the domain though and got expelled 2016-04-28 05:53 and/or because he was an asshole, the latter part may have had more weight tbh 2016-04-28 05:53 sb0 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-04-28 05:54 my LAN no ARP query or reply can reach any device except the one device which knows there are no ARP replies expected regarding gateway 2016-04-28 05:54 expected to come from anybody but the router itself 2016-04-28 05:54 so any ARP poisoning will rather result in an immediate ban of the offender instead of succeeding 2016-04-28 05:57 http://lab.whitequark.org/notes/2016-04-28/smd-reflow-with-a-blowtorch/ 2016-04-28 05:58 one school director said "how can we expect our pupils to develop a sense for security when we forbid any hacking in our school network?" 2016-04-28 05:58 this guy had rewarded you 2016-04-28 05:59 thanked you publicly and appointed you for admin 2016-04-28 05:59 yeah, some sanity still remains in this world 2016-04-28 05:59 in the US they'd probably put you in jail 2016-04-28 05:59 yeah 2016-04-28 06:07 nice little report ^^^ :-) 2016-04-28 06:07 did you try brute force VPS? 2016-04-28 06:09 I guess any arbitrary cooking pot with lid, any arbitrary stove, and a 5cl of Galden, plus some wire bent to keep the PCB a 2cm above the pot's bottom, should do 2016-04-28 06:11 no, still not... I've had enough meatspace troubles that I didn't do any PCB in many months, not one since I received galden 2016-04-28 06:11 next one, I think 2016-04-28 06:11 to gain perfection you may have to tune the amount of Galden in relation to pot size, and the power and duration of heat applied via stove 2016-04-28 06:13 I think I can even cool down forcibly the top of the vessel 2016-04-28 06:13 since I now have the chiller 2016-04-28 06:13 great! :-) 2016-04-28 06:13 ohhhhh I just realized, galden vapor phase soldering is basically the same as a diffusion pump 2016-04-28 06:13 mechanically 2016-04-28 06:13 I heard of folks using a steel bowl with ice and water inside, for lid of pot 2016-04-28 06:14 the advantage of my position in HK is I can afford to design nice things rapidly because of taobao 2016-04-28 06:15 have you seen my chiller? 2016-04-28 06:15 I had an extremely weird idea: using Galden instead of water in a steam pistol, and then really 'spray' the PCB with Galden vapor 2016-04-28 06:15 steam pistol? 2016-04-28 06:15 whats that 2016-04-28 06:15 well, Dampfstrahler 2016-04-28 06:15 come in different sizes 2016-04-28 06:16 just a pot to boil water and a nozze where vapor escapes 2016-04-28 06:16 nozzle even 2016-04-28 06:16 ohhhhhhh 2016-04-28 06:16 steam cleaner 2016-04-28 06:16 those things come in handheld for e.g. cleaning windows 2016-04-28 06:16 yeah I know 2016-04-28 06:16 just never heard as 'pistol' 2016-04-28 06:17 well, I ,ade that up 2016-04-28 06:17 I think that's not unreasonable but you have two problems 2016-04-28 06:17 galden mess everywhere being first 2016-04-28 06:17 well, no, sorry, one 2016-04-28 06:17 which is galden escaping 2016-04-28 06:17 yes 2016-04-28 06:17 exactly 2016-04-28 06:17 2nd was me misunderstanding thermodynamics for a moment :) 2016-04-28 06:18 that's fixing itself :-) 2016-04-28 06:19 for the mess issue, maybe a huge basin with a glas lid and two holes for your arms would do 2016-04-28 06:21 whats the benefit? 2016-04-28 06:21 you can prolly do that but i don't see why would i want to 2016-04-28 06:22 err, more punctual heating, compared to a complete vapor bath which might be a) not feasible for large board, and b) not even intended, so ther components don't get unsoldered 2016-04-28 06:23 it's the mega hot air 2016-04-28 06:23 way better heat transfer, no overheating 2016-04-28 06:24 the latter obviously thanks to precisely defined vapor temperature 2016-04-28 06:25 thats true that the process is much more versatile 2016-04-28 06:25 think of it like the no-touch soldering iron ;-) 2016-04-28 06:25 but i find it hard to imagine where the versatility would justify the drawbacks 2016-04-28 06:25 rework 2016-04-28 06:25 hmmm 2016-04-28 06:26 I like your idea now 2016-04-28 06:26 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders if there's already a patent on that 2016-04-28 06:26 ;-) 2016-04-28 06:28 some contraption designed faintly similar like an e-cig comes to mind 2016-04-28 06:29 extremely fast ramp-up 2016-04-28 06:29 control amount of Galden vapor directly via the electrical heating element power 2016-04-28 06:30 feeding it seems complicated 2016-04-28 06:31 feeding liquid? 2016-04-28 06:31 yeah, that's what e-cigs are great in 2016-04-28 06:31 I think it works like a petrol lamp, with a wick of sorts 2016-04-28 06:32 DAMN YOU, ERproFANS! they create a 5Hz interference 2016-04-28 06:33 yes it has a wick 2016-04-28 06:33 but that holds very little vapor 2016-04-28 06:33 if it's ok to manually refill it once in a while then that works 2016-04-28 06:33 I'm not sure how much heat (in J) is needed to eg desolder one SMD 2016-04-28 06:34 yep, of course. You have a 20cl tank with a wick, to hold the Galden. Then at top the wick goes around a .. 50W resistor 2016-04-28 06:34 Galden's heat of vaporization is 63J/g 2016-04-28 06:34 in a tube that ends in a nozzle 2016-04-28 06:34 so with a 50W resistor you can deliver ~1g/s of galden 2016-04-28 06:34 and so 50W of heat 2016-04-28 06:35 hm 2016-04-28 06:35 make that 200W then ;-) 2016-04-28 06:35 then you need 4g/s 2016-04-28 06:35 gthats a lot of galden 2016-04-28 06:35 yep 2016-04-28 06:35 let's just test it :-D 2016-04-28 06:35 I mean, the Galden shouldn't get lost 2016-04-28 06:36 of course you want to catch it and 'recycle' it 2016-04-28 06:36 one issue is having too little flow of galden, which makes it decompose to HF and COF2 2016-04-28 06:36 right 2016-04-28 06:36 you don't want that :-/ 2016-04-28 06:36 even if you're in respirator 2016-04-28 06:36 HF will destroy your board real well 2016-04-28 06:37 yeah sure 2016-04-28 06:37 Galden is nasty like hell when overheated 2016-04-28 06:37 you can control the temp to make sure it never exceeds 300°C even locally, perhaps 2016-04-28 06:37 :nod: 2016-04-28 06:37 there are those really great PTC heater elements in hot glue pistols 2016-04-28 06:38 dunno if those also exist for 250°C 2016-04-28 06:38 probably 2016-04-28 06:38 I never even checked the temperature of the hotglue 2016-04-28 06:38 doesn't feel like >200° on my fingers ;-D 2016-04-28 06:39 it should be around 150 for polyolefins, I think 2016-04-28 06:39 sounds about right, yes 2016-04-28 06:39 over 200 is for polyimides and such 2016-04-28 06:39 exotic 2016-04-28 06:40 NFC what material that hotglue sticks are 2016-04-28 06:41 btw where are you located now, after your 8000km move? (I asked that before, but forgot) 2016-04-28 06:41 HK 2016-04-28 06:41 aaah 2016-04-28 06:41 hotglue sticks are polyethylene usually 2016-04-28 06:41 which is a polyolefin 2016-04-28 06:41 yup, feels like PE 2016-04-28 06:42 even smells like PE 2016-04-28 06:42 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot-melt_adhesive#Materials_used 2016-04-28 06:42 there's actually a dazzling range of compounds 2016-04-28 06:43 wow, even silicone rubbers 2016-04-28 06:43 amazing 2016-04-28 06:43 FLUOROPOLYMERS?! 2016-04-28 06:43 holy shit I want that 2016-04-28 06:44 ? 2016-04-28 06:45 what ? ? 2016-04-28 06:46 what for do you need teflon glue? 2016-04-28 06:46 very chemically resistant 2016-04-28 06:46 particularly when it's low temp thermoplast 2016-04-28 06:46 think sealing something that contains acids, acetone, etc 2016-04-28 06:47 also: "PTFE wire repair" http://www.te.com/usa-en/about-te/news-center/S1260-hot-melt-tape.html 2016-04-28 06:47 first and only thing that came to mind: seal bottles with it :-D 2016-04-28 06:47 repair wires is great, indeed 2016-04-28 06:50 awesome stuff, this tape 2016-04-28 06:50 told you :) 2016-04-28 06:51 did you see any data, like shrinking/curing temperature, or price? 2016-04-28 06:51 file:///home/whitequark/Downloads/ENG_DS_1-1773867-5_s1260_1115.pdf 2016-04-28 06:51 "No cracking after 2016-04-28 06:51 4 hr. at -55°C" 2016-04-28 06:51 er http://www.te.com/commerce/DocumentDelivery/DDEController?Action=srchrtrv&DocNm=1-1773867-5_s1260&DocType=DS&DocLang=EN 2016-04-28 06:51 aah a pdf 2016-04-28 06:52 http://www.masterelectronics.com/te-connectivity-raychem-brand/s1260tape34inx25ftcl.html? 2016-04-28 06:52 $70 2016-04-28 06:52 for 25ft? 2016-04-28 06:52 seems reaosnable 2016-04-28 06:53 hmmph where? 2016-04-28 06:53 and still no usage manual 2016-04-28 06:53 2nd link 2016-04-28 06:53 just wrap it and heat? 2016-04-28 06:53 :-((( >> (10-roll minimum order, each bagged and labeled separately)<< 2016-04-28 06:54 The resource you are looking for has been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable. 2016-04-28 06:56 hmm 2016-04-28 06:56 http://www.masterelectronics.com/te-connectivity-raychem-brand/s1260tape34inx25ftcl.html?p=48691001&utm_source=supplyFrame&utm_medium=buyNow 2016-04-28 06:56 try this 2016-04-28 06:57 I found it via fronpage search 2016-04-28 07:00 sb0 has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 07:01 fengling has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 07:05 Farnell claims to have it, but always redirects me to http://de.farnell.com/pro-power/tts-s12-6014-nat/heat-shrink-tubing-3-81mm-id-ptfe/dp/1726389 for S1260 2016-04-28 07:18 also nice (4:1 shrink) http://www.ebay.de/itm/RP-4800-NR10-Tyco-Raychem-Black-Heat-Shrink-Tubing-1-2mtrs-/261541039163 2016-04-28 08:06 jwhitmore_ has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 08:25 jwhitmore_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-04-28 08:40 archang has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 09:12 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 09:14 sandeepkr has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 09:46 MistahDarcy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2016-04-28 11:06 archang has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-04-28 11:27 jwhitmore has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 11:49 sb0 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-04-28 12:08 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-04-28 12:10 fengling has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2016-04-28 12:34 sb0 has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 15:22 sandeepkr has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-04-28 16:20 pcercuei has quit [Quit: bbl] 2016-04-28 16:22 sb0 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-04-28 17:00 sb0 has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 17:10 sb0 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2016-04-28 17:24 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 17:39 .s0 2016-04-28 17:40 muh 2016-04-28 17:53 MistahDarcy has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 17:53 MistahDarcy has quit [Changing host] 2016-04-28 17:53 MistahDarcy has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 18:01 wildlander has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 18:24 sandeepkr has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 18:42 muuuh 2016-04-28 18:55 ~mooo 2016-04-28 18:55 ~moo 2016-04-28 18:55 mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. 2016-04-28 19:04 DocScrutinizer05: https://github.com/mtoyoda/sl ;)I 2016-04-28 19:10 sl ? 2016-04-28 19:11 *nod* 2016-04-28 19:11 apt-get install sl ;) 2016-04-28 19:13 zypper in sl 2016-04-28 19:13 ;-) 2016-04-28 19:14 No provider of 'sl' found. 2016-04-28 20:29 wildlander has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 2016-04-28 20:55 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 21:09 linmob has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2016-04-28 21:10 linmob has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 21:41 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2016-04-28 22:04 larsc has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-04-28 22:04 wolfspraul has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2016-04-28 22:05 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 22:06 larsc has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 22:09 sandeepkr has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2016-04-28 22:44 sandeepkr has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 22:46 sandeepkr has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2016-04-28 22:47 sandeepkr has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 23:06 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 2016-04-28 23:10 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2016-04-28 23:28 pcercuei has quit [Quit: dodo]