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2015-08-18 06:33 <kyak> and that's the first time i heard "wprak" pronounced. It's like "double-u-pi-rak", when in my head i used to say "vi-pi-rak" :)
2015-08-18 07:14 <larsc> I'll stay with the later, much more fluent
2015-08-18 07:16 <viric> I pronounce it "brac" or "beprac" (бэпр'ак)
2015-08-18 07:51 <kyak> viric: why is "b" the first sound? did you mean "v" (вэпрак)?
2015-08-18 07:53 <viric> most catalans, like spaniards, don't distinguish b and v :)
2015-08-18 07:53 <viric> and on start of word, that's always 'b'
2015-08-18 07:53 <kyak> ah! :)
2015-08-18 07:54 <viric> my friends say "it's incredible that you make sound Barcelona and València the same way" :)
2015-08-18 07:54 <viric> like korean, we make one sound at start of word, another between vowels. And none is like в
2015-08-18 07:55 <viric> koreans don't have d/t distinction. Between vocals they use to do 'd', else 't'.
2015-08-18 07:55 <viric> but it is one single letter for them.
2015-08-18 07:55 <viric> (koreans please confirm :)
2015-08-18 07:56 <kyak> so you do say "Balencia"? :)
2015-08-18 07:56 <viric> yes
2015-08-18 07:57 <viric> although specifically the catalans of València do distinguish b/v :)
2015-08-18 07:57 <kyak> what a useless letter then, v :)
2015-08-18 07:57 <viric> as years pass by, we need less letters ;)
2015-08-18 07:58 <viric> we have troubles to know what to write, b or v
2015-08-18 07:59 <kyak> let's merge w and v. Then merge v and b :)
2015-08-18 07:59 <viric> we don't have w
2015-08-18 08:00 <viric> here, careless english pronouncers say "gu" instead of "w". :)
2015-08-18 08:00 <kyak> but wiki says you do! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_orthography
2015-08-18 08:01 <viric> kyak: just for foreign words taken straight, like 'k'.
2015-08-18 08:01 <viric> we is pronounced гуи.
2015-08-18 08:02 <kyak> goddamn, not even close to how it is written down :)
2015-08-18 08:02 <viric> we have value → гуи хаф балъю
2015-08-18 08:03 <viric> твёрдом ел
2015-08-18 08:03 <kyak> it's like you have a nose disease :)
2015-08-18 08:03 <viric> :)
2015-08-18 08:03 <viric> Russian: ви ав валю
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2015-08-18 08:04 <kyak> ви хэв вэлью
2015-08-18 08:04 <viric> ah, that's more USA. :)
2015-08-18 08:04 <kyak> that's hwo a bad english teacher would say
2015-08-18 08:04 <viric> a → з
2015-08-18 08:04 <kyak> yeah, it's more american english
2015-08-18 08:05 <kyak> э, not з :)
2015-08-18 08:05 <viric> oops yes
2015-08-18 08:06 <kyak> there is a joke about how one russian would argue with american that it is possible to write down "3" in lower case
2015-08-18 08:06 <viric> Italian: ви авва валъюа
2015-08-18 08:06 <viric> hehe
2015-08-18 08:06 <kyak> and then he would write russian letter "ze" - з
2015-08-18 08:07 <viric> I like how you turn 180° the hour in km/h ;)
2015-08-18 08:08 <viric> looks like a print typo
2015-08-18 08:09 <kyak> sorry, i didn't get it - "180° the hour" ?
2015-08-18 08:09 <viric> км/ч
2015-08-18 08:09 <kyak> but 180°?..
2015-08-18 08:09 <viric> h → ч
2015-08-18 08:10 <viric> pi radians
2015-08-18 08:10 <kyak> maybe my perseption is biased, i don't get it :)
2015-08-18 08:10 <viric> upside-down
2015-08-18 08:11 <viric> вверх ногами
2015-08-18 08:11 <kyak> i took a paper and a pencil
2015-08-18 08:11 <viric> :D
2015-08-18 08:12 <kyak> i get it that ч is upside-down h
2015-08-18 08:12 <viric> that's all
2015-08-18 08:12 <viric> a 180° turn
2015-08-18 08:13 <viric> pi radians turn
2015-08-18 08:13 <kyak> ok, i got it --)
2015-08-18 08:13 <viric> ha :)
2015-08-18 08:13 <kyak> i was thinking at first about coversion from "180° the hour" to "km/h"
2015-08-18 08:14 <viric> you never thought that km/h and км/ч have one letter upside down?
2015-08-18 08:14 <kyak> which doesn't really make sense
2015-08-18 08:14 <kyak> nope, i didn't
2015-08-18 08:14 <viric> :)
2015-08-18 08:14 <viric> interesting perception
2015-08-18 08:14 <kyak> tht's really fucking cray
2015-08-18 08:14 <viric> край?
2015-08-18 08:15 <kyak> i'll show some foreigner my speedometer
2015-08-18 08:15 <viric> edge-thinking ? :)
2015-08-18 08:15 <viric> hehe
2015-08-18 08:15 <kyak> i'll tell him - look, there is a typo. Letter "h" is upside down
2015-08-18 08:15 <viric> hehe
2015-08-18 08:16 <kyak> i get a feeeling about how foreigners see cyrillic when i look at greek text
2015-08-18 08:16 <kyak> i think so
2015-08-18 08:16 <viric> fair comparison
2015-08-18 08:17 <kyak> because it's like "letters are similar, but some look very strange
2015-08-18 08:17 <viric> or gothic germa
2015-08-18 08:17 <viric> gothic german
2015-08-18 08:17 <viric> in which larsc helps me :)
2015-08-18 08:18 <viric> kyak: like this https://books.google.es/books?id=yNRRAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA175
2015-08-18 08:18 <kyak> viric: looks like a regular german to me :)
2015-08-18 08:18 <viric> he is, by far, the german which understands that text best.
2015-08-18 08:18 <viric> most tell me "I don't know gothic"
2015-08-18 08:19 <kyak> same way, a latin man wouldn't probably see a difference between greek and cyrillic
2015-08-18 08:20 <viric> not much, no.
2015-08-18 08:20 <kyak> ok, gotta go now. Nice discussion
2015-08-18 08:21 <viric> :) пока!
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2015-08-18 12:32 <DocScrutinizer51> anybody wolfgang lately?
2015-08-18 12:32 <DocScrutinizer51> anybody seen wolfgang lately?
2015-08-18 12:32 <DocScrutinizer51> ooh, and greetings from wpwrak :D
2015-08-18 12:32 <DocScrutinizer51> anybody seen wolfgang lately?
2015-08-18 12:32 <DocScrutinizer51> ooh, and greetings from wpwrak :D
2015-08-18 12:33 <pcercuei> he's in Germany?
2015-08-18 12:33 <DocScrutinizer51> yes
2015-08-18 12:35 <DocScrutinizer51> we're both at cccamp15
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2015-08-18 13:25 <DocScrutinizer51> anybody seen wolfgang spraul lately?
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2015-08-18 14:51 <DocScrutinizer51> anybody seen wolfgang spraul lately?
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2015-08-18 16:33 <DocScrutinizer51> larsc: you're around?
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2015-08-18 18:27 <larsc> sure
2015-08-18 18:28 <larsc> but not at the camp
2015-08-18 18:28 <larsc> if you mean that
2015-08-18 19:42 <DocScrutinizer51> hi! anybody around?
2015-08-18 19:45 <DocScrutinizer51> hi! anybody around?
2015-08-18 19:45 * dos1 is
2015-08-18 19:45 <DocScrutinizer51> hi
2015-08-18 19:46 <dos1> hmm, infobot went off at 16:59 in netsplit and didn't return
2015-08-18 19:48 <DocScrutinizer51> could you send a mail to wolfgang with my cellphone number
2015-08-18 19:50 <DocScrutinizer51> dos1: Sorry I can't remote-reboot it
2015-08-18 19:51 <dos1> DocScrutinizer51: last e-mail from him in my inbox is from 2012 and sharism.cc domain, I suppose it may be out of date
2015-08-18 20:14 <DocScrutinizer51> dos1: do you know WolfSpraul's email addr?
2015-08-18 20:14 <dos1> DocScrutinizer51: check query
2015-08-18 20:15 <DocScrutinizer51> sorry no query zarrived. betwork very flaky
2015-08-18 20:36 <DocScrutinizer51> dos1: it seems neither infobot nor apt is online, please check purl
2015-08-18 21:21 * eintopf is