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2015-06-11 14:04 <paul_boddie> Still no real progress, although I found a blog post where someone suggests using -O linux -T kernel with mkimage:
2015-06-11 14:04 <paul_boddie> https://balau82.wordpress.com/2010/03/10/u-boot-for-arm-on-qemu/
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2015-06-11 18:03 <paul_boddie> Just great: rebuilt U-Boot from openwrt-xburst and now MMC-booting only gets as far as "mmc1 is available".
2015-06-11 18:03 * paul_boddie hates U-Boot.
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2015-06-11 18:11 <eintopf> paul_boddie: try barebox
2015-06-11 18:12 <paul_boddie> On the NanoNote?
2015-06-11 18:13 <paul_boddie> I actually want to get something working with U-Boot elsewhere, though.
2015-06-11 18:13 <eintopf> mhh, then you need to port at first. yep
2015-06-11 18:16 <paul_boddie> Now I just have to figure out how to update openwrt-xburst using git. Sigh!
2015-06-11 18:24 <paul_boddie> Or just clone the damned thing again for my own sanity's sake.
2015-06-11 18:24 <wpwrak> get rid of it ? :)
2015-06-11 18:26 <paul_boddie> Git, OpenWrt or U-Boot?
2015-06-11 18:29 <paul_boddie> I thought people wanted to write their own nice bootloader, but I guess they didn't finish it.
2015-06-11 18:35 <eintopf> paul_boddie: I think wpwrak opinion is more "bootloaders are useless"
2015-06-11 18:36 <eintopf> http://kboot.sourceforge.net/
2015-06-11 18:47 <wpwrak> bootloaders are very useful - and should be extremely simple :)
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2015-06-11 18:53 <eintopf> so extremely simple would be "start kernel only"
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2015-06-11 18:54 <wpwrak> yup, with some initramfs that does the rest
2015-06-11 18:55 <eintopf> yea, I remember that
2015-06-11 18:55 <paul_boddie> And not leave the hardware in some weird state.
2015-06-11 18:57 <paul_boddie> Meanwhile, it's branch surfing time as OpenWrt fails to build its toolchain for some reason unknown to man.
2015-06-11 18:57 <wpwrak> i would advocate that the kernel should try to initialize as much of the hardware as possible, to minimize its dependency on the boot loader
2015-06-11 18:58 <wpwrak> you haven't experienced build failures if you haven't used OE ;-)
2015-06-11 18:58 <eintopf> maybe when I have time, then I will the idea of kboot
2015-06-11 18:59 <wpwrak> at openmoko, i was very happy when we got people who just took care of building the damn monster and making binary packages
2015-06-11 18:59 <paul_boddie> OE and related stuff are just hateful, really.
2015-06-11 18:59 <wpwrak> we seem to agree ;-)
2015-06-11 18:59 <eintopf> what is OE
2015-06-11 18:59 <paul_boddie> It's a relief in a way that Debian now actually has cross-compilers that work.
2015-06-11 18:59 <wpwrak> OpenEmbedded
2015-06-11 19:00 <eintopf> ah, ok
2015-06-11 19:00 <wpwrak> kinda like gentoo. but very fragile. getting it to build (which took forever) was like winning the lottery
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2015-06-11 19:01 <wpwrak> and we had the perverse setup of building code under development inside OE. so each time the monster blew up, development stopped.
2015-06-11 19:01 <wpwrak> well, that was for the application people. we also had a simple SDK that was sufficient for my kind of work. so i largely escaped :)
2015-06-11 19:04 <eintopf> you could script yourself some image generation foo
2015-06-11 19:04 <eintopf> and doing alle the cross compiling stuff
2015-06-11 19:04 <eintopf> but that's more crazy
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2015-06-11 19:05 <wpwrak> i made a rootfs builder that just installed pre-compiled packages and then added my stuff. that worked quite nicely.
2015-06-11 19:06 <eintopf> pre-compiled :/
2015-06-11 19:06 <eintopf> I don't like that
2015-06-11 19:07 <eintopf> mhh
2015-06-11 19:08 <wpwrak> well, there are so many bash variations you need :)
2015-06-11 19:08 <wpwrak> and if keeps the build failures on the other side of that package repo
2015-06-11 19:08 <wpwrak> s/if/it/
2015-06-11 19:09 <qi-bot> wpwrak meant: "and it keeps the build failures on the other side of that package repo"
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2015-06-11 19:31 <eintopf> tv is so boring, I think I read a book... perry rhodan. I am still at volume 1
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2015-06-11 19:35 <wpwrak> the most epic space opera ever ;-)
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2015-06-11 20:01 <paul_boddie> Remembered to look up the magic formula to hopefully avoid building absolutely everything in OpenWrt:
2015-06-11 20:01 <paul_boddie> http://wiki.openwrt.org/doc/howtobuild/single.package
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2015-06-11 22:03 <paul_boddie> OK. MMC support is back! And suddenly my payload works for some reason.
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