2015-05-06 00:01 DocScrutinizer05 has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 00:10 arossdotme has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 00:23 archang has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 00:33 DocScrutinizer05 has quit [Quit: EEEEEEK]
2015-05-06 00:34 DocScrutinizer05 has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 00:51 arossdotme has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
2015-05-06 01:05 arossdotme has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 01:10 arossdotme has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
2015-05-06 01:22 arossdotme has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 01:54 arossdotme has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
2015-05-06 02:06 arossdotme has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 02:19 arossdotme has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
2015-05-06 02:28 atommann has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 02:29 fengling has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 02:32 arossdotme has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 02:33 atommann has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]
2015-05-06 02:33 atommann has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 02:43 rejon has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 03:10 paulburton_ has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 03:10 paulburton has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
2015-05-06 03:40 larsc has quit [Quit: Lost terminal]
2015-05-06 03:57 arossdotme has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
2015-05-06 04:10 arossdotme has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 04:32 arossdotme has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]
2015-05-06 04:46 arossdotme has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 04:51 fengling has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
2015-05-06 04:54 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 04:59 fengling has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 05:04 wolfspraul has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
2015-05-06 05:07 arossdotme has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
2015-05-06 05:11 Haswell has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 05:20 arossdotme has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 05:35 kanzure has quit [Read error: No route to host]
2015-05-06 05:43 archang has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
2015-05-06 05:49 rodgort has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
2015-05-06 05:49 lars_ has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 05:49 lars_ is now known as larsc
2015-05-06 06:08 rodgort has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 06:29 kanzure has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 06:37 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 07:11 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
2015-05-06 07:13 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 07:23 xiangfu has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
2015-05-06 07:35 paulburton_ is now known as paulburton
2015-05-06 07:38 atommann has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
2015-05-06 07:51 atommann has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 08:01 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 08:08 archang has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 08:10 lars_ has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 08:20 paulburton has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
2015-05-06 08:58 kanzure has quit [*.net *.split]
2015-05-06 08:58 newcup has quit [*.net *.split]
2015-05-06 09:00 kanzure has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 09:00 newcup has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 09:16 atommann has quit [Quit: Leaving]
2015-05-06 09:35 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 09:47 Haswell has quit [Quit: Saliendo]
2015-05-06 10:07 paulburton has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 10:10 arossdotme has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
2015-05-06 10:22 arossdotme has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 10:29 arossdotme has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
2015-05-06 10:42 arossdotme has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 10:59 Nik05 has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
2015-05-06 11:00 paulburton has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!]
2015-05-06 11:02 Nik05 has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 11:05 paulburton has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 11:22 arossdotme has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
2015-05-06 11:36 arossdotme has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 12:44 kristianpaul has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
2015-05-06 13:36 iamarto has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 13:36 <iamarto> hello everyone
2015-05-06 13:36 <iamarto> I have a tricky question
2015-05-06 13:37 <iamarto> I've always trusted Intel HD graphics chips on laptops
2015-05-06 13:37 <iamarto> because they don't heat up
2015-05-06 13:37 <iamarto> my 7 year old sony vaio works like new
2015-05-06 13:37 <iamarto> never had problems with it
2015-05-06 13:37 <iamarto> because obviously Intel HD graphics chipsets require no fans on board
2015-05-06 13:37 <iamarto> however, in 2015.. I was wondering, did Nvidia or ATI did anything new in new laptops
2015-05-06 13:38 <iamarto> to avoid heating up?
2015-05-06 13:38 <iamarto> Or should I stick with Intel HD 5500?
2015-05-06 13:38 <pcercuei> not really the best channel to ask that
2015-05-06 13:38 <pcercuei> "hardware hackers join here to discuss Ben NanoNote, atben/atusb 802.15.4 wireless, anelok and other community driven hw projects"
2015-05-06 13:38 <iamarto> it's related to hardware?
2015-05-06 13:39 <pcercuei> open hardware
2015-05-06 13:39 <eintopf> in my opinion, if you are no a real hardcore gamer then intel is enough. They have good power management and nice mainline linux support
2015-05-06 13:39 <eintopf> so intel is more open than nvidia :/
2015-05-06 13:40 <eintopf> ati mainline support is also well, but not so well like intel. They do more than nvidia
2015-05-06 13:40 <eintopf> nvidia do nothing
2015-05-06 13:40 <iamarto> I am not a hardcore gamer but I often like to play BF4
2015-05-06 13:40 <eintopf> then you are a windows user?
2015-05-06 13:40 <iamarto> I heard that HD 4400 plays BF4 but I will get the superior 5500 perhaps
2015-05-06 13:41 <iamarto> do more than nvidia in terms of what?
2015-05-06 13:41 <iamarto> FPS?
2015-05-06 13:42 <iamarto> me? I use both windows and Lubuntu
2015-05-06 13:42 <iamarto> with i3wm
2015-05-06 13:43 <eintopf> nvidia is good in opengl
2015-05-06 13:43 <eintopf> and opengl is what the name says open
2015-05-06 13:43 <eintopf> but I think BF4 (battlefield 4) is direct x
2015-05-06 13:43 <eintopf> closed things from m$
2015-05-06 13:44 <eintopf> only good for gaming...
2015-05-06 13:44 <iamarto> i dont want to enter into this debate but obviously windows is the better gaming platform in all OSs.
2015-05-06 13:44 <eintopf> the complete windows os is just there to playing games, I believe :)
2015-05-06 13:44 <iamarto> yes
2015-05-06 13:44 <eintopf> yes, and I agree with that
2015-05-06 13:45 <eintopf> but what are games? Games are there for consuming
2015-05-06 13:45 <eintopf> :-)
2015-05-06 13:45 <iamarto> So the conclusion that Nvidia and ATI didn't fix their heating chips on laptops
2015-05-06 13:45 <iamarto> or they don't have chips without fans..
2015-05-06 13:46 <eintopf> I think they do something, but performance is always related to do heating
2015-05-06 13:47 <iamarto> when I try to ask questions on ##hardware channel it says can't send to channel
2015-05-06 13:47 <eintopf> Sorry I don't know :( My notebook has an intel graphic and contains only one fan
2015-05-06 13:47 <eintopf> I think for both, cpu and graphic, over some heating pipes
2015-05-06 13:47 <iamarto> what about the APUs? Any Good?
2015-05-06 13:47 <eintopf> to talk about open hardware and graphicscards -> that doesn't exist
2015-05-06 13:47 <eintopf> there are no really open hardware accelerator which you can buy
2015-05-06 13:48 <whitequark> iamarto: you need to register with nickserv to talk on ##hardware
2015-05-06 13:48 <whitequark>  /msg nickserv help
2015-05-06 13:48 <eintopf> each of them selling graphics cards with binary blobs
2015-05-06 13:49 <eintopf> I would ask in #drm (if this channel exists) maybe somebody can give you a buying guide which fits your use case
2015-05-06 13:59 <ysionneau> opengl does not mean that anything is open beside the API
2015-05-06 13:59 <ysionneau> you can have completely closed source opengl implementations
2015-05-06 14:00 <ysionneau> and the windows opengl implementations for ATI/Nvidia are not open source AFAIK
2015-05-06 14:01 <whitequark> of course not
2015-05-06 14:06 <eintopf> mhh, opengl describes an interface only. The manufactures need to implement them in some way into their hardware. But whats part of opengl that decides some open community (don't know the name now)
2015-05-06 14:06 <whitequark> khronos
2015-05-06 14:06 <eintopf> khronos group
2015-05-06 14:06 <eintopf> yes
2015-05-06 14:07 <eintopf> but they have also some interface "vendor specific"
2015-05-06 14:07 <eintopf> I think the vendor specific things are only there because it's hard for companies to getting something "fast" into the opengl standard
2015-05-06 14:08 <eintopf> then they introduce they own fancy stuff into a vendor specifc call at first
2015-05-06 14:09 <eintopf> but general that means, there is a open flow to bringing things into opengl
2015-05-06 14:18 <ysionneau> not sure it's *that* open
2015-05-06 14:18 <ysionneau> big companies are part of the khronos group
2015-05-06 14:18 iamarto has quit [Quit: Leaving]
2015-05-06 14:18 <ysionneau> could I be part of it? Can I be part of the discussions?
2015-05-06 14:18 <ysionneau> Are discussions on a public mailing list?
2015-05-06 14:18 <ysionneau> I'm not sure at all :)
2015-05-06 14:22 <eintopf> I think "yes", but you need money _maybe_
2015-05-06 14:25 <eintopf> for mailinglist not, but to visit conferences and I think you need to pay money to be part of this group
2015-05-06 14:32 <ysionneau> that's very open :)
2015-05-06 14:33 <ysionneau> that excludes all poor people, which is a big big part of the planet
2015-05-06 14:33 <eintopf> I don't think so, if you visit websites and learning about opengl on mailinglist and making good reviews of upcomming stuff
2015-05-06 14:33 <eintopf> then nvidia want U!
2015-05-06 14:34 <eintopf> s/want/wants/
2015-05-06 14:34 <qi-bot> eintopf meant: "then nvidia wants U!"
2015-05-06 14:34 <ysionneau> that is nonsense to me :/
2015-05-06 14:38 <eintopf> I can see that everywhere in opensource things, some great guy/girl doing nice programming -> big companies wants them -> he/she doing closed stuff but can feed his/her family
2015-05-06 14:39 <eintopf> I think that's one reason why google summer of code exists :)
2015-05-06 14:41 <pcercuei> and then, there are some who do open-source stuff and still feed their family :)
2015-05-06 14:42 <ysionneau> and then you have people who work for big financial companies who feed their family and destroy others and make sure inegalities are growing :)
2015-05-06 14:42 <ysionneau> bug I guess we are moving away from "opengl not very open" topic :p
2015-05-06 14:43 <ysionneau> It's just a group of powerful companies that have to agree about such things for interoperability purpose
2015-05-06 14:48 <eintopf> it's not companies
2015-05-06 14:48 <eintopf> as well universities
2015-05-06 14:48 <eintopf> s/not/not just/
2015-05-06 14:48 <eintopf> students, hobby opengl fpga hackers
2015-05-06 14:49 <eintopf> oh, a own fpga graphic card architecture... like openrisc
2015-05-06 14:50 <eintopf> s/a own/an pwn/
2015-05-06 14:50 <qi-bot> eintopf meant: "oh, an pwn fpga graphic card architecture... like openrisc"
2015-05-06 14:50 <eintopf> grml, an own
2015-05-06 14:50 <ysionneau> to become a contributor to Khronos group you have to pay $15,000 per year
2015-05-06 14:50 <ysionneau> I don't call this open
2015-05-06 14:51 <eintopf> then you are member only
2015-05-06 14:51 <eintopf> what they people communicate it's not closed
2015-05-06 14:51 arossdotme has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
2015-05-06 14:51 <ysionneau> but you don't get to vote :p
2015-05-06 14:52 <ysionneau> this just has nothing to do with any openness
2015-05-06 14:52 <ysionneau> it's just business
2015-05-06 14:53 <wpwrak> but it's open and non-discriminatory. any white upper-class christian is welcome :)
2015-05-06 14:53 <ysionneau> it's non-discriminatory to anyone who can pay $15,000 :D
2015-05-06 14:53 <ysionneau> (per year)
2015-05-06 14:53 archang has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
2015-05-06 14:53 <ysionneau> that just rules out 99% of the planet
2015-05-06 14:53 <ysionneau> + some 9s
2015-05-06 14:54 archang has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 14:54 <eintopf> when you like to build a direct x graphic card, then you need to ask microsoft to get more details about their direct x stuff, that's different in opengl
2015-05-06 14:54 <whitequark> actually, no
2015-05-06 14:54 <eintopf> and then you _must_ pay microsoft because you using their direct x
2015-05-06 14:54 <whitequark> also no
2015-05-06 14:54 <whitequark> mesa implements directx
2015-05-06 14:54 <whitequark> directly
2015-05-06 14:55 <whitequark> (and the devs say it was easier than implementing opengl)
2015-05-06 14:56 <eintopf> I can believe that the direct x API is open, because you need as dev the api how to use it
2015-05-06 14:56 <eintopf> mhh
2015-05-06 14:57 <eintopf> whitequark: also wine use direct x directly? I believed before that they use some opengl <-> direct x mapping
2015-05-06 14:57 <whitequark> wine does not
2015-05-06 14:57 <pcercuei> there is a branch that does
2015-05-06 14:57 <whitequark> it won't be useful very often because nvidia does not use mesa
2015-05-06 14:58 <eintopf> a yes, I know the question always from my packet-manager to decide which mesa-lib should be used (or something like that)
2015-05-06 14:58 <eintopf> s/a yes/ah yes/
2015-05-06 14:58 <qi-bot> eintopf meant: "ah yes, I know the question always from my packet-manager to decide which mesa-lib should be used (or something like that)"
2015-05-06 15:04 arossdotme has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 15:20 rjeffries has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 15:32 arossdotme has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]
2015-05-06 15:34 pcercuei_ has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 15:37 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
2015-05-06 15:45 arossdotme has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 16:26 pcercuei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
2015-05-06 16:43 rjeffries has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
2015-05-06 16:51 wolfspraul has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
2015-05-06 18:47 kanzure has quit [*.net *.split]
2015-05-06 18:47 newcup has quit [*.net *.split]
2015-05-06 18:47 arossdotme has quit [*.net *.split]
2015-05-06 18:47 valhalla has quit [*.net *.split]
2015-05-06 18:47 uwe_ has quit [*.net *.split]
2015-05-06 18:47 rodgort has quit [*.net *.split]
2015-05-06 18:47 wej has quit [*.net *.split]
2015-05-06 18:49 arossdotme has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 18:49 rodgort has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 18:49 wej has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 18:49 valhalla has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 18:49 uwe_ has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 18:49 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
2015-05-06 18:49 kanzure has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 18:49 newcup has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 18:49 kanzure has quit [Max SendQ exceeded]
2015-05-06 18:50 kanzure has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 18:50 valhalla has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
2015-05-06 18:51 valhalla has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 18:54 wej has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 19:18 arossdotme has quit [*.net *.split]
2015-05-06 19:18 uwe_ has quit [*.net *.split]
2015-05-06 19:19 arossdotme has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 19:19 uwe_ has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 19:56 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
2015-05-06 20:01 wej has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 20:39 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
2015-05-06 20:44 wej has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 20:59 jwhitmore has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 21:31 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
2015-05-06 21:38 wej has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 21:49 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds]
2015-05-06 21:54 wej has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 22:31 tumdedum has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
2015-05-06 22:33 tumdedum has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 23:20 GeorgeHahn has joined #qi-hardware
2015-05-06 23:57 GeorgeHahn has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]