2015-03-01 00:51 kyak: (3rd side) oh, there's no shortage of sides :) 2015-03-01 00:59 jwhitmore has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-03-01 01:00 jwhitmore has joined #qi-hardware 2015-03-01 01:08 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-03-01 01:22 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2015-03-01 01:23 jwhitmore has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-03-01 01:32 viric_ has joined #qi-hardware 2015-03-01 01:35 viric has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-03-01 01:35 viric_ is now known as viric 2015-03-01 02:07 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-03-01 02:19 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2015-03-01 02:50 viric_ has joined #qi-hardware 2015-03-01 02:53 viric has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-03-01 02:53 viric_ is now known as viric 2015-03-01 02:59 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2015-03-01 04:13 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-03-01 05:18 idundidit has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-03-01 06:22 nicksydney has joined #qi-hardware 2015-03-01 07:40 archang has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-03-01 07:43 archang has joined #qi-hardware 2015-03-01 09:36 viric has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-03-01 09:36 viric has joined #qi-hardware 2015-03-01 10:36 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2015-03-01 10:52 jwhitmore has joined #qi-hardware 2015-03-01 10:55 Broadball has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 2015-03-01 12:01 viric has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-03-01 12:01 viric has joined #qi-hardware 2015-03-01 13:19 viric has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-03-01 13:20 viric has joined #qi-hardware 2015-03-01 15:12 fengling has joined #qi-hardware 2015-03-01 15:19 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2015-03-01 15:28 viric_ has joined #qi-hardware 2015-03-01 15:31 viric has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-03-01 15:31 viric_ is now known as viric 2015-03-01 15:35 xiangfu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-03-01 16:18 fengling has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-03-01 16:58 viric has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-03-01 17:03 viric has joined #qi-hardware 2015-03-01 17:25 jwhitmore has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-03-01 17:37 jwhitmore has joined #qi-hardware 2015-03-01 18:18 Broadball has joined #qi-hardware 2015-03-01 18:36 viric has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-03-01 18:36 viric has joined #qi-hardware 2015-03-01 18:40 viric_ has joined #qi-hardware 2015-03-01 18:44 viric has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-03-01 18:44 viric_ is now known as viric 2015-03-01 18:45 viric_ has joined #qi-hardware 2015-03-01 18:47 viric- has joined #qi-hardware 2015-03-01 18:48 viric has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 2015-03-01 18:48 viric- is now known as viric 2015-03-01 18:49 viric_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-03-01 19:02 DocScrutinizer05: hahahahaha 2015-03-01 19:02 http://web.ead.anl.gov/uranium/pdf/wm01semicond.pdf 2015-03-01 19:02 you'll love this 2015-03-01 19:03 VLSI ICs made out of depleted uranium oxide as an intrinsic semiconductor 2015-03-01 19:03 " The energy band gap (forbidden band gap) for uranium dioxide (UO2) lies between Si and 2015-03-01 19:03 GaAs at the optimum of the band gap vs efficiency curve (1), indicating that one should be able to use 2015-03-01 19:03 uranium oxides to make very efficient solar cells, semiconductors, or other electronic device. " 2015-03-01 19:04 apparently US DoE has a funding programme whose sole goal is to figure out where the fuck to put all the depleted uranium they have 2015-03-01 19:05 other things it produced: using it as a catalyst for ammonia synthesis; using it as a catalytic converter to decompose pollutants such as dioxins 2015-03-01 19:11 porchaso0 has joined #qi-hardware 2015-03-01 19:12 porchao has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2015-03-01 20:18 porchaso0 has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 2015-03-01 20:37 jwhitmore has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-03-01 20:50 jwhitmore has joined #qi-hardware 2015-03-01 21:09 rodgort has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-03-01 21:14 rodgort has joined #qi-hardware 2015-03-01 22:06 I thought they already found a 'good' use for it: ammunition, heavier than Tungsten 2015-03-01 22:07 they did, also in aircraft 2015-03-01 22:07 wasn't that waht they used all the time in Iraq war, to crack the tanks? 2015-03-01 22:07 those gyroscopes use tungsten balls or alternatively DU 2015-03-01 22:08 they did use it in iraq 2015-03-01 22:08 given that uranium is a heavy metal more toxic than lead... that was a real shitty idea 2015-03-01 22:08 yeah 2015-03-01 22:09 actually that semiconductor idea kind of grew on me 2015-03-01 22:09 anyway usage of really nasty metal oxides isn't new in electronics. I can't recall if it was beryllium-oxide or whatever that caused the "use hepa masks while mounting this power RF transistor" 2015-03-01 22:09 looks you could do very interesting things with it. it's a very high k 2015-03-01 22:09 20 instead 10 for silicon 2015-03-01 22:10 whatever is "k" 2015-03-01 22:10 which means you can make even smaller transistors. currently they use some hafnium oxide 2015-03-01 22:10 more like к 2015-03-01 22:10 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-%CE%BA_dielectric 2015-03-01 22:10 I'm baffled by the "2000some kelvin" tolerance 2015-03-01 22:10 that's *awesome* 2015-03-01 22:11 yes, very refractory 2015-03-01 22:11 however that's most likely not taking into account any dotation 2015-03-01 22:11 molybdenum crucibles have near characteristics 2015-03-01 22:11 and are currently used for growing sapphires 2015-03-01 22:12 a semiconductor component not crapping out on >300°C, that for sure would be a damn useful thing 2015-03-01 22:12 re beryllium, yes, nasty stuff 2015-03-01 22:12 chronic incurable lung disease 2015-03-01 22:12 and enough to inhale it one time 2015-03-01 22:12 "The onset of symptoms can range from weeks up to tens of years from the initial exposure. In some individuals a single exposure can cause berylliosis. 2015-03-01 22:13 that's just downright evil 2015-03-01 22:13 regarding not crapping out on 300°C, that only takes into account refractory properties of the ceramic. silica is quite refractory itself 2015-03-01 22:14 yes, and they made power transistors with a complete mounting plate made of beryllium oxide ceramic 2015-03-01 22:14 and in fact they did make ICs that can work at 600°C from silicon 2015-03-01 22:14 yeah. and they also used to put those into microwave oven magnetrons 2015-03-01 22:14 consumer 2015-03-01 22:15 fools 2015-03-01 22:15 haha this page http://www.americanberyllia.com/safety.html 2015-03-01 22:16 when I was a young ignorant idiot I played with mercury. I reconsidered my approach to severely dangerous metals when I was 18 though 2015-03-01 22:16 not only mercury, also uranium oxide 2015-03-01 22:17 I had access to some "funny" substances back when 2015-03-01 22:17 mercury is overrated on danger scale I think. very low vapor pressure 2015-03-01 22:17 yes 2015-03-01 22:17 still probably a good idea to not touch it if you can 2015-03-01 22:17 but there's some really inane paranoia around it 2015-03-01 22:17 it's not gonna kill you in a minute 2015-03-01 22:18 mercifully, he changed his opinion on dangerous metals before could finish developing the bomb and get his personal seat in the UN security council 2015-03-01 22:18 for sure not, But it's quite silly to spill the stuff in your sleeping room 2015-03-01 22:18 ... someone told me about a video from a russian mercury plant 2015-03-01 22:18 the plant director was quite fond of mercury, for example he went and put his arm into a tank full of it 2015-03-01 22:18 whitequark: do they take a vodka and then jump into the pools ? :) 2015-03-01 22:18 hah, good enough 2015-03-01 22:19 and about another lab which processed mercury amalgams 2015-03-01 22:19 they had tilted floor and a sink 2015-03-01 22:19 for all the spilled mercury 2015-03-01 22:19 I guess jumping into a pool of mercury really hurts badly 2015-03-01 22:19 safety tip: only use dimethylmercury and wear gloves ! 2015-03-01 22:19 lol 2015-03-01 22:20 despite all that stuff which would give OSHA an aneurysm, they'll only gain long-term neural damage in a decade or two. *shrug* 2015-03-01 22:20 mad hatters 2015-03-01 22:20 well, what really scares shit outa me is methyl mercury in vaccines, as conservation agent 2015-03-01 22:21 phased out despite no evidence for toxicity 2015-03-01 22:21 if you're talking about thiomersal 2015-03-01 22:21 yeah 2015-03-01 22:21 used in flu vaccines onle a few years ago 2015-03-01 22:22 no evidence for toxicity?? 2015-03-01 22:22 duh! 2015-03-01 22:24 sometimes, it may just be better to err on the safe side 2015-03-01 22:24 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal 2015-03-01 22:25 it's not used in vacciens for children under age of 6 2015-03-01 22:28 I'm not generally scared of mercury, I'd dip my hand into a pool of it any time. But I won't ever swallow or inject stuff that contains mercury 2015-03-01 22:29 not even homeopathic stuff 2015-03-01 22:35 but uranium oxide chips, dang that could fly 2015-03-01 22:35 :-) 2015-03-01 22:35 I just wonder if they need immanent radiation hardening ;-) 2015-03-01 22:38 ooh "airplanes", now I get it. >>Weiterhin wird abgereichertes Uran für Ausgleichsgewichte im Flugzeugbau verwendet<< 2015-03-01 22:38 >>Zur Vermeidung von Kontaminationen und Strahlenbelastung wird das Uran in Gehäuse aus Stahlblech oder Aluminium eingeschweißt.<< 2015-03-01 22:39 rreally funny read: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abgereichertes_Uran 2015-03-01 22:45 anyway uranium chips will not suffer from deterioration as I wondered: a half life time of 4,468 · 10^9 years 2015-03-01 22:47 yep, and that's not even depleted 2015-03-01 22:47 if i recognize the numbers correctly 2015-03-01 22:47 for chips they plan to deliver to the Russians they could use U237: t1/2 of 6,75 d ;-P 2015-03-01 22:48 4,468 · 10^9 years is for U238 2015-03-01 22:48 oh 2015-03-01 22:48 anyway they say that UO2 is good for rad-hard chips 2015-03-01 22:48 regardless of its own activity 2015-03-01 22:48 so i guess it will at least cancel out 2015-03-01 22:48 it's ironic isn't it 2015-03-01 22:49 Nik05 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-03-01 22:49 yeah 2015-03-01 22:51 Nik05 has joined #qi-hardware 2015-03-01 22:52 oh, you mention using DU as a /ballast/ in airplanes 2015-03-01 22:53 what i mean is using it in /gyroscopes/ 2015-03-01 22:53 haven't heard of ballast 2015-03-01 22:53 that sounds like a shitton of DU 2015-03-01 22:54 those airplane engineers must be completely nuts. Tungsten has 0.14 *higher* specific weight than uarnium 2015-03-01 22:54 I may be mixing something up 2015-03-01 22:55 but I'm fairly sure I heard of it 2015-03-01 22:55 tungsten: 19,3 g/cm3 ; uranium: 19,16 g/cm3 2015-03-01 22:56 hmm 2015-03-01 22:56 no, I'm not mixing stuff up 2015-03-01 22:56 https://books.google.ru/books?id=qJArAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA37&lpg=PA37&dq=depleted+uranium+gyroscope&source=bl&ots=y1JL0HzxK9&sig=2gpWM-hHBbBK7x5huyvm68HxHPI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=FZnzVJGbEoaaygPNjYLgCg&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=depleted%20uranium%20gyroscope&f=false 2015-03-01 22:56 maybe it's very hard to machine tungsten into a ball? 2015-03-01 22:57 prolly uranium is way easier on casting 2015-03-01 22:57 yes, exactly 2015-03-01 22:57 "Depleted uranium is preferred over similarly dense metals due to its ability to be easily machined and cast as well as its relatively low cost." 2015-03-01 22:57 yeep 2015-03-01 22:57 idiots 2015-03-01 22:58 I dunno, tungsten is toxic as well 2015-03-01 22:59 for airplane ballast you wouldn't even need to machine the tungsten into any particular shape. fine dust will do 2015-03-01 22:59 and /burning/ tungsten is especially bad 2015-03-01 23:00 >>Nach dem derzeitigen Wissensstand gelten Wolfram und seine Verbindungen als physiologisch unbedenklich<< 2015-03-01 23:00 enwiki says this: Tungsten interferes with molybdenum and copper metabolism and is somewhat toxic to animal life. 2015-03-01 23:00 and I've been told to avoid white smoke from TIG welding electrodes 2015-03-01 23:01 which is WO4 2015-03-01 23:01 I *think* they even used tungsten in antacidic medicine, to kill heliobakter or whatever 2015-03-01 23:02 well, it just needs to outweigh the costs 2015-03-01 23:02 and a stomach ulcer is pretty damn bad 2015-03-01 23:02 in lungs WO4 prolly isn't healthy 2015-03-01 23:03 oops no that been bismut I guess 2015-03-01 23:04 ... in antacida 2015-03-01 23:04 ohhhh yes 2015-03-01 23:04 bismuth is completely inert 2015-03-01 23:04 pepto-bismol 2015-03-01 23:04 sorry 2015-03-01 23:04 there's a ton of that metal in the pills 2015-03-01 23:04 in fact so much that you can extract a sizable metal slug out of some crushed pills 2015-03-01 23:05 reduce it with e.g. aluminium in basic solution 2015-03-01 23:05 http://www.popsci.com/diy/article/2012-07/gray-matter-extracting-bismuth-pepto-bismol-tablets 2015-03-01 23:05 180 pills = 24g of metal 2015-03-01 23:06 DocScrutinizer05: regarding drugs, we have something for treating trypanosomiasis 2015-03-01 23:06 called melarsoprol 2015-03-01 23:07 it's literally poisoning yourself with arsenic voluntarily and hoping that the parasite dies earlier than you 2015-03-01 23:08 "Among clinicians, it is colloquially referred to as "arsenic in antifreeze"." 2015-03-01 23:08 and you put that into your veins 2015-03-01 23:09 ugh 2015-03-01 23:10 friggin parasites 2015-03-01 23:10 now the fun part, the parasite actually developed resistance to it 2015-03-01 23:11 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-03-01 23:13 meh 2015-03-01 23:13 friggin parasites 2015-03-01 23:13 >>Inzwischen ist es Forschern gelungen, einen preiswerten Wirkstoff zu entwickeln, der keine Nebenwirkungen zeigt. Allerdings wurde dieser bisher nur an Mäusen getestet.<< 2015-03-01 23:13 http://www.deutschlandfunk.de/meldung-forschung-aktuell.678.de.html?drn:news_id=86856 2015-03-01 23:14 seems it didn't pan out, eh? 2010 2015-03-01 23:14 why? clinical testing takes decades 2015-03-01 23:14 err yes, that too 2015-03-01 23:15 i don't think you can go from mice to retail in just 5 years 2015-03-01 23:15 ten is more like it, especially if the drug is 'good' 2015-03-01 23:15 but I'd expect to hear more recent news 2015-03-01 23:15 you could try to hunt down the uni or pharma website, they sometimes post info about clinical trials 2015-03-01 23:15 actually there should be a database of those, somewhere 2015-03-01 23:16 wait. "Thursday, April 1, 2010" 2015-03-01 23:16 :-S 2015-03-01 23:16 pathetic, if ... 2015-03-01 23:16 that would be really cruel 2015-03-01 23:17 oh, no 2015-03-01 23:17 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20360736 2015-03-01 23:17 really on april 1 2015-03-01 23:18 also works on leishmania, cool 2015-03-01 23:19 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25125080 2015-03-01 23:20 yes 2015-03-01 23:20 more interesting is this: http://journals.plos.org/plosntds/article?id=10.1371/journal.pntd.0001625 2015-03-01 23:20 2012, still "pre-clinically 2015-03-01 23:20 which means I guess that 2010 study did not get even to phase I 2015-03-01 23:22 afk, TV calling ;-) 2015-03-01 23:32 ((expect to hear more recent news)) actually I did, somebody using some plant or fungus (extract?) to treat malaria 2015-03-01 23:33 supposed to yield great potential for a cheap and low-risk malaria treatment for the masses 2015-03-01 23:33 I think I heard of it in a NANO report some 6 to 12 months ago 2015-03-01 23:33 might be related 2015-03-01 23:34 of course that stuff was very early TCM-style medicine 2015-03-01 23:35 the report didn't claim it works, only that it might have potential 2015-03-01 23:36 iirc