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2015-02-18 03:27 <wpwrak> some people have a peculiar sense of humor: www.screwschina.com (and yes, they make screws and are located in china, but ...)
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2015-02-18 09:40 <eintopf> wpwrak: but what? You wouldn't use screws from china?
2015-02-18 09:40 <eintopf> I mean a screw is screw
2015-02-18 09:40 <eintopf> s/is/is a/
2015-02-18 09:40 <qi-bot> eintopf meant: "I mean a screw is a screw"
2015-02-18 09:46 <larsc> just make sure you don't get screwed
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2015-02-18 10:36 <eintopf> larsc: ah, I think, I understand.
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2015-02-18 12:44 <wpwrak> eintopf: i was just looking for information on small screws. the sort i'll have to put into anelok to make the case a bit more robust
2015-02-18 12:46 <wpwrak> lessons learned: you can google all you want for "torx t5 screw" or such, the best you'll find are fiendishly overpriced cell phone replacement screws (something like USD 2 apiece)
2015-02-18 12:47 <wpwrak> what you really want to look for is called "self-tapping" screws. and of these, it's the "thread-forming" kind (and not "thread-cutting", although some make take the terminology loosely)
2015-02-18 12:48 <wpwrak> and the size won't be given in the size of the opening (T5 or such) but in the diameter of the thread, i.e., M1, M1.6, and so on.
2015-02-18 12:50 <wpwrak> the small cell phone type screws still seem elusive - western sites seem to prefer large sizes. M3 and bigger.
2015-02-18 12:51 <wpwrak> but at least i have been able to gather enough information to know what i'll have to do to make such critters fit. turns out that it's not too bad. i need for M1.6 are few slots in the PCB that are at least 2 mm wide and 2.2 mm deep.
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2015-02-18 13:07 <eintopf> i know these smartphone screws, I bought some tool set from china
2015-02-18 13:07 <eintopf> with plastic pieces which looks like a plectrum from guitar
2015-02-18 13:07 <eintopf> and the small torx scredrivers
2015-02-18 13:08 <eintopf> s/scredrivers/screwdrivers/
2015-02-18 13:08 <qi-bot> eintopf meant: "and the small torx screwdrivers"
2015-02-18 13:11 <eintopf> wpwrak: you should not but some gamebody screws. These screws with some triangle hole. I hate these screws
2015-02-18 13:11 <eintopf> s/gamebody/gameboy
2015-02-18 13:11 <qi-bot> eintopf meant: "wpwrak: you should not but some gameboy screws. These screws with some triangle hole. I hate these screws"
2015-02-18 13:12 <wpwrak> i've heard apple also have some fun ones: a little smaller than T1, so a T1 piece won't fit :)
2015-02-18 13:14 <eintopf> my brother knows how to deal with such screws, you need a hammer and a four edged screwdriver. Than attach the screwdriver and hammer on it.
2015-02-18 13:14 <eintopf> but you could also drill it
2015-02-18 13:15 <eintopf> anyway, I would not do the hammer method on electrical devices
2015-02-18 13:15 <eintopf> for cars, okay... that might works
2015-02-18 13:16 <wpwrak> i think i'll not add compatibility with the drill and hammer method to the design specs of anelok :)
2015-02-18 13:21 <eintopf> simple: use a normal screw without buying the special wpwrak repair tool set
2015-02-18 13:21 <eintopf> thats what they company try to do with that
2015-02-18 13:21 <eintopf> s/they company/the companies/
2015-02-18 13:21 <qi-bot> eintopf meant: "thats what the companies try to do with that"
2015-02-18 13:25 <wpwrak> naw, torx isn't all that special :)
2015-02-18 13:26 <wpwrak> small phillips would be an option too, though. torx is better but since the forces in use there are relatively small, phillips should do
2015-02-18 13:36 <eintopf> I have this set: http://src.discounto.de/pics/product/26850/43719_WORKZONE-Feinmechaniker-Satz-26850_xxl.jpeg
2015-02-18 13:36 <eintopf> and torx is included
2015-02-18 13:38 <eintopf> wpwrak: but you want a case for anelok? You said for me some time ago, that when you using a case you need to get some certificates
2015-02-18 13:38 <eintopf> for selling
2015-02-18 13:40 <wpwrak> (WORKZONE) they you're prepared for whatever the future may bring :)
2015-02-18 13:41 <wpwrak> cases can complicate things, yes, since they make it less credible that what you're selling is a "kit"
2015-02-18 13:42 <wpwrak> but there's no much of a choice - you can't sell a bare pcb to end users
2015-02-18 13:43 <eintopf> (WORKZONE) the cheapest thing 4 ever. It's from ALDI. In austria it's "hofher"
2015-02-18 13:43 <wpwrak> for the "alpha" units (small quantity, quite kit-like) we're probably fine without certs and such
2015-02-18 13:43 <wpwrak> (workzone) yeah, and nobody even specifies what's inside it :)
2015-02-18 13:44 <eintopf> so you selling the kit and the end-user need to build it together?
2015-02-18 13:44 <eintopf> :S
2015-02-18 13:44 <eintopf> okay, doesn't matter, were I need to subscribe to get an anelok? I will give you money ;)
2015-02-18 13:45 <eintopf> okay, let do that next month
2015-02-18 13:45 <wpwrak> well, that's what i may want to do with the "alpha" units. they'll be intended for developers anyway, not for "normal" users
2015-02-18 13:45 <wpwrak> i must have described that on the list some time ... checking ...
2015-02-18 13:48 <wpwrak> here we are: http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2014-May/010613.html
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2015-02-18 13:50 <wpwrak> slight changes: making "alpha" units myself probably won't be necessary. also the number of "alpha" units may be a bit larger then than just ten.
2015-02-18 13:51 <eintopf> ah, ok.
2015-02-18 13:52 <wpwrak> also, Y-Box almost certainly won't be necessary. so this could be replaced by another anelok. (to act as radio peer)
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2015-02-18 14:02 <xiangfu> wpwrak: your last code works just fine here.
2015-02-18 14:17 <wpwrak> kewl. so i need to try harder to break something :)
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2015-02-18 15:59 <xiangfu> happy chinese new year.
2015-02-18 16:00 <kyak> xiangfu: and happy long holidays :)
2015-02-18 16:00 <xiangfu> YEAH.
2015-02-18 16:02 <larsc> party party party!
2015-02-18 16:02 <DocScrutinizer05> whitequark: _whitelogger__ isn't registered
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2015-02-18 16:06 <whitequark> siiiiiigh
2015-02-18 16:06 <whitequark> hm, actually, I can register _whitelogger now without logger downtime
2015-02-18 16:06 <whitequark> since it has the __ at the end
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2015-02-18 16:10 <whitequark> .
2015-02-18 16:10 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: i registered it
2015-02-18 16:10 <whitequark> are you happy now
2015-02-18 16:10 <DocScrutinizer05> well, I'd be even more happy when it was in #neo900 too ;-)
2015-02-18 16:11 <whitequark> it's not in #neo900?
2015-02-18 16:11 <whitequark> still joining i guess
2015-02-18 16:11 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, it is, now
2015-02-18 16:11 <whitequark> i've fifty channels and freenode throttles me to 1 msg per 0.8s
2015-02-18 16:11 <whitequark> so join takes a WHILE
2015-02-18 16:11 <DocScrutinizer05> [2015-02-18 Wed 17:10:43] *** ChanServ gives _whitelogger permission to talk.
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2015-02-18 16:17 <DocScrutinizer05> whitequark: not ülanning to annoy you, just a hint: often hidemail in nickserv isn't what you want for bots
2015-02-18 16:18 <DocScrutinizer05> some even add metadata:
2015-02-18 16:18 <DocScrutinizer05> [2015-02-18 Wed 17:17:42] [Notice] -NickServ- Email      : Tim@Rikers.org
2015-02-18 16:18 <DocScrutinizer05> [2015-02-18 Wed 17:17:42] [Notice] -NickServ- Metadata   : url = http://apt.rikers.org/
2015-02-18 16:18 <whitequark> well /now/ i can't do anything about it
2015-02-18 16:19 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
2015-02-18 16:19 <wpwrak> xiangfu: happy new year ! :)
2015-02-18 16:19 <whitequark> since i can't impersonate the bot without shutting it down
2015-02-18 16:19 <DocScrutinizer05> whitequark: that's actually not an obstacle. Just autheticate against bot's account ;-)
2015-02-18 16:20 <whitequark> won't that kick the bot out?
2015-02-18 16:20 <DocScrutinizer05> /ns id _whitelogger MyPassWord
2015-02-18 16:20 <DocScrutinizer05> no
2015-02-18 16:20 <wpwrak> whitequark: if you stand up, turn to the west, and say three times aloud "NSA, NSA, NSA", maybe they'll help you with the impersonation
2015-02-18 16:22 <whitequark> .
2015-02-18 16:22 <whitequark> hm, right, doesnt kick it out
2015-02-18 16:24 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: ok done
2015-02-18 16:24 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
2015-02-18 16:24 <DocScrutinizer05> pleased to help
2015-02-18 16:24 <DocScrutinizer05> loggers (and generally bots) with proper accountability have way higher acceptance
2015-02-18 16:27 <DocScrutinizer05> chanops know where to complain when bot ever starts to misbehave
2015-02-18 16:28 <whitequark> right
2015-02-18 16:30 <DocScrutinizer05> /ns info _whitelogger now looks great
2015-02-18 16:30 <DocScrutinizer05> clearly no rogue/spam-bot
2015-02-18 16:39 <arossdotme> what do you think of external gps antennas?
2015-02-18 16:40 <arossdotme> arr is it china's newyear...
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2015-02-18 17:06 <kristianpaul> how so arossdotme ?
2015-02-18 17:06 <arossdotme> how so?
2015-02-18 17:07 <arossdotme> gps or china newyear?
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2015-02-18 17:07 <kristianpaul> gps
2015-02-18 17:08 <kristianpaul> eveything need wiring and for gps like an extenal antenns is most likelly to gibe you problems
2015-02-18 17:08 <arossdotme> well i my case shall i get one sold by http://www.pulster.de/engl/index.html?linux_pda.htm
2015-02-18 17:08 <arossdotme> would it be helpful for car use?
2015-02-18 17:08 <arossdotme> it's just the postagge is £10+ so i'd prefer to only make one worder :D
2015-02-18 17:09 <arossdotme> one order
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2015-02-18 17:10 <kristianpaul> that link redirects here
2015-02-18 17:10 <arossdotme> i can't give you the dirct link
2015-02-18 17:10 <kristianpaul> cars should have built-in antennas, my  personal opinion
2015-02-18 17:11 <kristianpaul> what is your apllication?
2015-02-18 17:11 <arossdotme> it's in the open moko section
2015-02-18 17:11 <arossdotme> car nav?
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2015-02-18 17:11 <arossdotme> bost maybe, if i'm ever one one
2015-02-18 17:11 <arossdotme> on one
2015-02-18 17:11 <arossdotme> boat
2015-02-18 17:12 <kristianpaul> and is your receiver just gps or also glonass? perhaps beidu as well :D ?
2015-02-18 17:12 <arossdotme> would it make a difference woods when walking?
2015-02-18 17:12 <arossdotme> it's gta04
2015-02-18 17:13 <kristianpaul> ahhhhhh
2015-02-18 17:13 <arossdotme> ;)
2015-02-18 17:13 <kristianpaul> we shall ask wpwrak  or DocScrutinizer05
2015-02-18 17:13 <arossdotme> oh
2015-02-18 17:14 <kristianpaul> not sure what gps receiver it  uses
2015-02-18 17:14 <arossdotme> i think no glonass
2015-02-18 17:14 <arossdotme> hmm
2015-02-18 17:14 <kristianpaul> for walking you probably need a IMU on board a well i bet
2015-02-18 17:14 <kristianpaul> you need meter or centimet accuracy?
2015-02-18 17:14 <kristianpaul> centimeter*
2015-02-18 17:16 <DocScrutinizer05> the gta04 has no glonass afaik
2015-02-18 17:16 <arossdotme> left or right accuracy :P
2015-02-18 17:16 <arossdotme> * do i turn left or right accuracy
2015-02-18 17:17 <kristianpaul> left or rigght? use a compass ! ;-)
2015-02-18 17:17 <kristianpaul> a digital ine of course
2015-02-18 17:17 <arossdotme> he ha
2015-02-18 17:17 <arossdotme> or a map
2015-02-18 17:17 <arossdotme> but you get the idea
2015-02-18 17:17 <arossdotme> or waling in a city
2015-02-18 17:17 <DocScrutinizer05> gta04 using the gta02 active GPS antenna internally
2015-02-18 17:17 <arossdotme> walking
2015-02-18 17:17 <arossdotme> yea
2015-02-18 17:18 <DocScrutinizer05> which is supposed to work sufficiently fine when no interference from device and no broken cable
2015-02-18 17:18 <arossdotme> so how much benefit is there from the external one..
2015-02-18 17:18 <DocScrutinizer05> usually zilch
2015-02-18 17:18 <arossdotme> ok, i'll save my £10 then
2015-02-18 17:18 <DocScrutinizer05> external antenna my have higher gain when yiu use a huge one
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2015-02-18 17:19 <DocScrutinizer05> may*
2015-02-18 17:19 <arossdotme> what about the one i linked too/
2015-02-18 17:19 <arossdotme> t?
2015-02-18 17:19 <arossdotme> http://www.pulster.de/engl/index.html?linux_pda.htm
2015-02-18 17:19 <arossdotme> in the openmoko section
2015-02-18 17:19 <kristianpaul> put the gt04 in your gap, thats a better antenna
2015-02-18 17:20 <arossdotme> so if the gta04 head has 40%~ I';M OK
2015-02-18 17:20 <arossdotme> opps caps lock
2015-02-18 17:20 <DocScrutinizer05> you'll need external antenna when the device is in an unfortunate location with no free sight to sky
2015-02-18 17:20 <arossdotme> 40% sky
2015-02-18 17:21 <arossdotme> hmm
2015-02-18 17:21 <kristianpaul> i meant cap sorry
2015-02-18 17:21 <arossdotme> cap=hat>
2015-02-18 17:21 <arossdotme> t?
2015-02-18 17:21 <arossdotme> ?
2015-02-18 17:22 <kristianpaul> even better
2015-02-18 17:22 <kristianpaul> yes arossdotme
2015-02-18 17:22 <arossdotme> ok
2015-02-18 17:22 <arossdotme> hmm
2015-02-18 17:23 <arossdotme> i guess these gps antentor cables don't like being moved/bent a lot?
2015-02-18 17:23 <arossdotme> best fitted and left permanently?
2015-02-18 17:24 <kristianpaul> bent... hmm
2015-02-18 17:24 <arossdotme> flexed
2015-02-18 17:24 <arossdotme> packed up
2015-02-18 17:25 <arossdotme> into storage bag
2015-02-18 17:25 <kristianpaul> i have one of those antnna is magnetic attached, so far gold behavior after packing
2015-02-18 17:25 <kristianpaul> but im carefull
2015-02-18 17:28 <arossdotme> and even then i was thinking of using my diy lunch box computer for my car computer, so what would be using a usb gps. it's advantage is it has a bigger screen
2015-02-18 17:28 <arossdotme> what=that
2015-02-18 17:28 <kristianpaul> oh usb gps need for sure an extension
2015-02-18 17:28 <arossdotme> yea
2015-02-18 17:29 <kristianpaul> but works decently with its antenna
2015-02-18 17:29 <arossdotme> but a gps antentor would be of so much use
2015-02-18 17:29 <arossdotme> woundn't
2015-02-18 17:29 <arossdotme> DocScrutinizerthx
2015-02-18 17:33 <arossdotme> arr hmm what to do
2015-02-18 17:36 <kristianpaul> buy buy buy (-:{
2015-02-18 17:37 <arossdotme> :)
2015-02-18 17:38 <DocScrutinizer05> there's a bazillion of external GPS antennas available in the intarwebs
2015-02-18 17:39 <DocScrutinizer05> as long as the plug matches, they usually shall "just work"
2015-02-18 17:40 <DocScrutinizer05> I mean, nasically it's just... an antenna
2015-02-18 17:40 <DocScrutinizer05> basically*
2015-02-18 17:41 <DocScrutinizer05> (ok, it has an amp built in, but those are standard pretty much)
2015-02-18 17:42 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.google.de/search?q=GPS+external+antenna+active&gws_rd=cr&oq=GPS+external+antenna+active
2015-02-18 17:47 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.ebay.com/itm/28dB-LNA-Gain-1575-42MHz-RP-SMA-Male-GPS-Active-Antenna-Stronger-Singal-/291353328325
2015-02-18 17:47 <DocScrutinizer05> you'll usually need a adapter
2015-02-18 17:49 <arossdotme> hmm
2015-02-18 17:49 <arossdotme> mmh
2015-02-18 17:52 <DocScrutinizer05> the pulster one comes with right plug it seems, maybe worth the 13 bucks more
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