2015-02-12 00:28 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-02-12 01:16 Haswell has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 2015-02-12 01:24 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-02-12 01:37 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 02:50 viric_ has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 02:52 viric has quit [*.net *.split] 2015-02-12 02:52 viric_ is now known as viric 2015-02-12 03:17 arhuaco has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 03:22 kristianpaul has quit [Quit: leaving] 2015-02-12 04:08 sb0 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-02-12 04:32 kristianpaul has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 04:32 kristianpaul has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 05:36 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 06:16 sb0 has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 07:43 apelete has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 07:59 Textmode has quit [Quit: "It was one dev, naked in a room with a carton of cigarettes, a thermos full of coffee and bourbon, and all his summoned angels."] 2015-02-12 08:47 fmeerkoetter has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 09:08 sulky has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-02-12 09:10 sulky has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 10:39 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 11:10 fengling has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 11:16 fengling has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0] 2015-02-12 11:16 fengling has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 11:17 fengling has quit [Client Quit] 2015-02-12 11:17 fengling has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 11:18 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 11:27 rodgort has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-02-12 11:35 rodgort has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 12:34 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-02-12 12:34 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 12:57 xiangfu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-02-12 13:55 oh, the siren's call ... https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/voltera/voltera-your-circuit-board-prototyping-machine 2015-02-12 13:56 resolution is one step too coarse to be really useful, though 2015-02-12 14:25 Haswell has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 14:51 that's what I need instead dealing with chemicals and aquariums 2015-02-12 15:03 fengling has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2015-02-12 15:06 fengling has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 15:06 multilayer! 2015-02-12 15:07 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 15:07 i guess that could be feasible: 2 layers on one side, then flip and do 2 layers on the other side. well, maybe you need to update the chemistry a little, but i'd think that it can't be too far from working 2015-02-12 15:08 eintopf: and nobody needs an aquarium :) just a flat-bottomed glass container will do nicely for etching 2015-02-12 15:10 at my university they have some aquarium stuff 2015-02-12 15:10 or they had 2015-02-12 15:10 now they have a new machine 2015-02-12 15:10 milling machine 2015-02-12 15:10 wpwrak: Hi 2015-02-12 15:10 we made 10 Anelok board. 2015-02-12 15:11 haven't make it boot to UI. 2015-02-12 15:11 (10 board) kewl ! 2015-02-12 15:11 cool :-) 2015-02-12 15:12 (no UI) not so cool ... were you able to fix the reversed connectors ? 2015-02-12 15:13 5 of them was the correct one. 2015-02-12 15:13 nice :) 2015-02-12 15:13 and DFU works on these ? 2015-02-12 15:13 wpwrak: (Voltera) we (neo900) can learn a lot from how the KS is done, at large 2015-02-12 15:13 5 of them was have this reversed issue. but I use them without any problem by using reversed USB cable. :-) that is easy compare to soldering the connector. 2015-02-12 15:14 DocScrutinizer05: yeah, make videos, videos, videos :) 2015-02-12 15:14 that too 2015-02-12 15:14 DocScrutinizer05: but if you want to learn from a true master, try wemagin (on kickstarter) 2015-02-12 15:15 (reversed cable) just don't confuse the cables :) 2015-02-12 15:15 i'm also trying to learn on how they pulled off (and still (plan to) do) the whole project. Buzzword "move to Shenzen" for example 2015-02-12 15:16 xiangfu: btw, for desoldering tricky parts, this works really great: http://www.chipquik.com/ 2015-02-12 15:16 mentors 2015-02-12 15:16 DocScrutinizer05: i wonder how they did the initial financing. lots of development, relocation, and such, that's not cheap 2015-02-12 15:17 yes 2015-02-12 15:17 that's obsolutely non-visible 2015-02-12 15:17 and the gial of 70k USD also seems pathetic 2015-02-12 15:17 goal 2015-02-12 15:17 btw 2015-02-12 15:18 oh, some projects go to KS only because they want the PR 2015-02-12 15:18 xiangfu: would you happen to know companies who can do semi-complex steel mech parts in "low" (1000) quantities? 2015-02-12 15:18 wpwrak: it stop at here: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/xiangfu/anelok/tmp/Anelok-booting.jpg 2015-02-12 15:18 also, a very high goal may look scary. so they may set it as low as they can, but hope to get a lot more 2015-02-12 15:19 yeah, and that's exactly the sort of stuff I try to learn 2015-02-12 15:19 xiangfu: oh, but that looks great ! are you sure it doesn't work ? :) 2015-02-12 15:20 maybe you need to tune the sensor a bit. after all, you don't have a case, so the threshold is way too low 2015-02-12 15:20 wpwrak: (chipquik) Yes. right now we have a lab. we have all those tools. 2015-02-12 15:21 DocScrutinizer05: what do you mean on 'semi-complex '? 2015-02-12 15:21 moment please 2015-02-12 15:21 DocScrutinizer05: another one: don't set a very long campaign duration. seems that projects that chose > 1 months are less likely to get funded than those that pick 1 month 2015-02-12 15:22 wpwrak: (sensor) Yes. I also think this is my problem. because the cursor of the sensor seems not works well. 2015-02-12 15:22 xiangfu: http://www.gultek.eu/mobile-phone-spare-parts/sliding-unit-assembly/n900.html 2015-02-12 15:22 xiangfu: the parameters are set with the expectation that there are about 1-1.5 mm of plastic and adhesive between sensor and finger 2015-02-12 15:23 so you'd have to "hover" over the sensor to trigger it correctly. pretty difficult to get this right :) 2015-02-12 15:23 you can try to put a ~ 1 mm sheet of plastic on the sensor. that should help a lot. 2015-02-12 15:24 DocScrutinizer05: ok. I think it can be done in low quantities. I just worry about the desing file format in china. I need ask around first. 2015-02-12 15:24 or you can try tuning the threshold. DEVCFG is your friend :) 2015-02-12 15:25 yigreat! many thanks! :-) 2015-02-12 15:25 wpwrak: thanks. I will try that tomorrow. 2015-02-12 15:25 s/desing/design/ 2015-02-12 15:26 xiangfu: great! many thanks! :-) 2015-02-12 15:26 but it looks great. you're well past the difficult phase now 2015-02-12 15:26 xiangfu: still trying to find a better photo 2015-02-12 15:26 DocScrutinizer05: please let me. that is the design file you are using? or we just copy from this N900? 2015-02-12 15:27 just copy. I can provide originals 2015-02-12 15:27 sorry. I mean "please tell me that is the design file format/design software for this part" 2015-02-12 15:27 maybe that stuff already is available even 2015-02-12 15:27 (just copy) ok. 2015-02-12 15:28 we just copy this N900? 2015-02-12 15:28 this particular part yes 2015-02-12 15:28 alas, we don't have design files. but we have 3D scans that may be useful to get started: http://neo900.org/stuff/werner/scans/ 2015-02-12 15:29 DocScrutinizer05: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.1.abxSfI&id=13560310048&ns=1&abbucket=4#detail :D 2015-02-12 15:29 http://neo900.org/git/?p=scans;a=blob_plain;hb=HEAD;f=pics/large/n900-disp-open-bottom-top.jpg 2015-02-12 15:29 DocScrutinizer05: I don't know if he have 1000 of them. but we can buy some first. 2015-02-12 15:29 xiangfu: YES! exactly !! :-)) 2015-02-12 15:30 and here is a little mesh viewer for the STL files, with a half-decent measurement function: http://neo900.org/git/?p=misc;a=tree;f=meme;hb=HEAD 2015-02-12 15:30 xiangfu: please see how many you can order for us. Many thanks in advance :-) 2015-02-12 15:30 hmm... 23:29. so. they are not online right now. I will ask them tomorrow. see how many they have. 2015-02-12 15:30 DocScrutinizer05: Yes. sure. 2015-02-12 15:30 DocScrutinizer05: nope. 2015-02-12 15:31 (¥ part) yeah ! :) 2015-02-12 15:31 we might not need a 1000 if we can get less. Maybe we get away with a 400 or sth. any amount is better than no part at all 2015-02-12 15:31 "original skateboard" :) 2015-02-12 15:32 DocScrutinizer05: on the webpage. it says they have 96 of them. but it may not sure. 2015-02-12 15:33 yes, that's very usual 2015-02-12 15:33 wpwrak: :) 2015-02-12 15:33 there are very low quantities available at several places - maybe 2015-02-12 15:34 (http://neo900.org/stuff/werner/scans/) nice documents. 2015-02-12 15:36 http://privatepaste.com/fbb7bbc011 ohmy, what to answer to this? 2015-02-12 15:36 nothing, for now :) 2015-02-12 15:36 did this guy subscribe to newsletter? Or what? 2015-02-12 15:37 ah, could be that he's receiving something. 2015-02-12 15:38 xiangfu: Neo900 project needs a few more rare parts too. Like e.g. the resistive touchscreen aka digitizer. When you happen to run into offers for other N900 spare parts stuff than just the slider mech, please at least drop a note, we might need it 2015-02-12 15:39 DocScrutinizer05: ok. 2015-02-12 15:39 thanks! :-) 2015-02-12 15:41 DocScrutinizer05: Yes. just quick search the touchscreen. that is easy to buy from thise semi-complex board (original skateboard :) 2015-02-12 15:41 s/from thise /compare to this/ 2015-02-12 15:41 xiangfu meant: "DocScrutinizer05: Yes. just quick search the touchscreen. that is easy to buy compare to thissemi-complex board (original skateboard :)" 2015-02-12 15:42 for a hint: http://originalspareparts.com.ua/phones/nokia/n900#c we need basically all except the electronics/PCB part 2015-02-12 15:43 DocScrutinizer05: maybe we just buy the real phone then remove this PCB. 2015-02-12 15:44 the whole phone. sorry. (I should goto sleep :( ) 2015-02-12 15:44 if this is possible then yes. I didn't find any sources for original phones in quantities 2015-02-12 15:44 the touch screen is expensive them the whole phone in taobao.com 2015-02-12 15:44 we can buy single unit for ~100USD 2015-02-12 15:45 DocScrutinizer05: I believe we can buy hundred 2015-02-12 15:45 but we can't find sources for 10 units 2015-02-12 15:45 hundreds 2015-02-12 15:45 hundred would be a great start but we need more, so if we can't get more, we already want to use alternatives from start, like manufacturing the parts 2015-02-12 15:46 we calculate with a batch of 500 to 1000 2015-02-12 15:46 because old electric devices all goes to China. :D 2015-02-12 15:46 I believe all used Server PSU was in China. :) 2015-02-12 15:46 when we can buy a 500 phones, I'd be more than happy 2015-02-12 15:47 ok. I will let you know tomorrow. that is each to find out. 500. 2015-02-12 15:47 mayn thanks, and don't hurry 2015-02-12 15:47 many* 2015-02-12 15:48 it is all used phone. just quick search 2015-02-12 15:49 as long as very good condition, used phones are OK 2015-02-12 15:49 ok. 2015-02-12 15:49 we don't expect to find large batches of unused new ones anyway 2015-02-12 15:50 many N900 phones are refurbished 2015-02-12 15:50 so all the parts we are interested in might actually be new 2015-02-12 15:50 recently I know how they buy old/used devices. it is sell by 'container'. when the ship arrived. they open the container. then named the price. 2015-02-12 15:51 wow 2015-02-12 15:52 DocScrutinizer05: (N900) Yes. 2015-02-12 15:52 DocScrutinizer05: I can buy 5 for 10 N900 first. the Chinese New Year comes in 7 days. so all China will stop. 2015-02-12 15:52 there are several sources of parts for N900 in Hong Kong and mainland China, but the quality and actual quantity available is usually questionable and hard to evaluate when I sit here in Europe, You being closer to those sources and speaking their langiuage is our best chance to pull this off 2015-02-12 15:53 maybe I can goto Shenzhen after Chinese new year. then we can easy to find out if the device was in good condition and if they have 500 or such. 2015-02-12 15:53 aah yes, chinese new year. I know it :-D 2015-02-12 15:53 sounds like an excellent plan 2015-02-12 15:54 18 Feb. 2015-02-12 15:54 xiangfu: please consider this a honest order from Neo900 UG 2015-02-12 15:54 eventually you invoice us 2015-02-12 15:54 DocScrutinizer05: ok. 2015-02-12 15:54 your help is much appreciated 2015-02-12 15:54 (http://originalspareparts.com.ua/phones/nokia/n900#c) that is a lot of parts. :) 2015-02-12 15:55 yes, indeed 2015-02-12 15:55 the "case parts" come in a plethora of colors for ~15USD, even with keymat 2015-02-12 15:56 this is ~80% of those many parts 2015-02-12 15:59 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 15:59 http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Cell-Phone-Replacement-Parts-Full-Housing_641217698.html 2015-02-12 16:00 xiangfu: beware, there's also a Nikia N900 *LUMIA* device which is a different product 2015-02-12 16:00 Nokia* 2015-02-12 16:01 with Windows inside. 2015-02-12 16:01 http://all-spares.com/en/Housing-for-Nokia-N900-White-Copy-AAA.php 2015-02-12 16:02 yes, with crappy windows inside ;-) 2015-02-12 16:03 http://all-spares.com/en/products/Outer-Housing-Parts-for-Nokia-N900-Cell-phones-Black--8b36d6313434d73134303231d1b130b23431b6d0a9563254b23232aa8d0500 2015-02-12 16:04 http://www.sunsky-online.com/view/233914/Full+Housing+Cover+for+Nokia+N900++Original+Version.htm 2015-02-12 16:04 etc 2015-02-12 16:04 DocScrutinizer05: Yes. 2015-02-12 16:05 hve to sleep. 2015-02-12 16:05 see you. 2015-02-12 16:06 xiangfu has quit [Quit: leaving] 2015-02-12 16:12 rejon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-02-12 16:24 Luke-Jr has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-02-12 16:25 Luke-Jr has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 17:16 fmeerkoetter has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-02-12 17:21 lrockhq has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 17:21 lrockhq has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 17:24 wolfspraul has quit [Quit: leaving] 2015-02-12 17:24 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 18:31 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2015-02-12 18:32 arossdotme has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-02-12 18:46 arossdotme has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 18:59 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 19:24 jwhitmore has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 19:24 fmeerkoetter has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 20:18 wolfspraul has quit [Quit: leaving] 2015-02-12 20:28 lol, fun fact: superhet tuned to FM 94.3MHz creates a GPS interference 2015-02-12 20:35 i don't understand :) 2015-02-12 20:41 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-02-12 20:50 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 20:51 ~1575.42 / (94.3 + 10.7) 2015-02-12 20:51 15.004 2015-02-12 20:52 so 15th harmonic of LO will interfere with GPS L1 2015-02-12 20:53 given the superhet uses high side injection (LO > RF) 2015-02-12 20:55 just seen a car radio tuned to 94.3MHz making GPS navi fail 2015-02-12 21:00 fmeerkoetter has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-02-12 21:02 you might wonder how a Local Oscillator supposed to generate a sine wave can produce a 15th harmonic, but keep in mind that the LO feeds its signal into a non-linear mixer to create beat frequency with the RF to receive. This mixer will also create non-linear distrotion to the LO signal itself 2015-02-12 21:05 lrockhq has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-02-12 21:10 fmeerkoetter has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 21:28 fmeerkoetter has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-02-12 22:34 arhuaco has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-02-12 22:46 arhuaco has joined #qi-hardware 2015-02-12 23:23 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-02-12 23:47 jwhitmore has quit [Remote host closed the connection]