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2015-02-09 15:02 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: nice article on hacking BMWs. and look at who wrote it :) http://www.heise.de/ct/ausgabe/2015-5-Sicherheitsluecken-bei-BMWs-ConnectedDrive-2536384.html
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2015-02-09 15:21 <DocScrutinizer05> ROTFL MUUHAAAHHAAAAHAA   >>freundlicherweise erwies sich die Combox als sehr kooperativ: Wenn sie eine ansonsten gültige NGTP-SMS erhielt, in der lediglich die VIN falsch war, so antwortete sie mit einer Fehler-SMS, ebenfalls im NGTP-Format. Die enthielt als Absender die korrekte VIN des Fahrzeugs.<<
2015-02-09 15:22 <DocScrutinizer05> only question: where from a hacker gets the IMSI/phone-number?
2015-02-09 15:23 <DocScrutinizer05> no problem for near field, but hey, we want to rule whole highways, right?
2015-02-09 15:23 <wpwrak> hehe :)
2015-02-09 15:23 <wpwrak> already like this it's pretty bad
2015-02-09 15:24 <DocScrutinizer05> we want to shoot down cars at other end of the country by simply DNS-poisoning a few servers and using the regular internet and phone network
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2015-02-09 15:27 <wpwrak> i wonder, when he visited bmw, whether they counted the cars they had on site after he left. just to be sure :)
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2015-02-09 15:36 <DocScrutinizer05> haha
2015-02-09 15:36 <DocScrutinizer05> :-P
2015-02-09 15:37 <DocScrutinizer05> I wonder what else is possible except the rather boring unlocking of doors
2015-02-09 15:37 <DocScrutinizer05> "tune" the engine controller? 30° early ignition
2015-02-09 15:37 <DocScrutinizer05> breaks? steering?
2015-02-09 15:38 <DocScrutinizer05> gear?
2015-02-09 15:39 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly ASP is most "funny" - 'please break 100% on both rear wheels only"
2015-02-09 15:39 <wpwrak> naw, the left wheels only :)
2015-02-09 15:39 <DocScrutinizer05> or that
2015-02-09 15:40 <DocScrutinizer05> though I guess a car is amazingly stable and steerable as long as one "line" of wheels stil has full contact to road
2015-02-09 15:41 <DocScrutinizer05> sure it will tend to the left, but you can compensate easily with steering
2015-02-09 15:41 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe not much worse that strong side winds
2015-02-09 15:41 <DocScrutinizer05> than*
2015-02-09 15:42 <DocScrutinizer05> fullblock of both read wheels though, and then a gentle 5% break on only one of both front wheels
2015-02-09 15:42 <DocScrutinizer05> s/read/rear/
2015-02-09 15:42 <qi-bot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: "fullblock of both rear wheels though, and then a gentle 5% break on only one of both front wheels"
2015-02-09 15:44 <wpwrak> i'd count on the element of surprise to cause most of the damage. "controllable" doesn't mean that a driver will :)
2015-02-09 15:44 <DocScrutinizer05> you ever tried full stop on bike with only read wheel?
2015-02-09 15:45 <DocScrutinizer05> you'll inevitably see own rear wheel pss you on either left or right side
2015-02-09 15:46 <DocScrutinizer05> you also know how ralley drivers driver turns? hand break to block reag wheels
2015-02-09 15:46 <DocScrutinizer05> rear*
2015-02-09 15:53 <wpwrak> on the other hand, there are plenty of accidents with car and road in perfect condition, nice weather, good sight, no other traffic nearby, yet ... boom
2015-02-09 15:53 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VHXwlJtNgU  watch rear wheels!
2015-02-09 15:55 <wpwrak> if you want to explore the full extent of human frailty, i'd recommend avherald. that's all trained professionals, be it pilots, atc, mechanics, etc., subject to strict controls and regulations. yet a good number of incidents / accidents are just "human error"
2015-02-09 15:57 <wpwrak> you may want to check the videos before you recommend watching them ;-))
2015-02-09 15:59 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVmSAZJdkhQ
2015-02-09 16:01 <wpwrak> yeah, i don't like it when my cars do that. you can't complain about the braking efficiency, though :)
2015-02-09 16:02 <wpwrak> yeah, 02:00 looks more familiar :)
2015-02-09 16:02 <DocScrutinizer05> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWIB9qZwyUE
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2015-02-09 16:08 <DocScrutinizer05> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handbrake_turn
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2015-02-09 16:09 <DocScrutinizer05> the higher the cruising speed the better it works
2015-02-09 16:10 <DocScrutinizer05> and when you even could break only one of both front wheels too... simply awesome
2015-02-09 16:10 <wpwrak> the the more spectacular the failure when something goes wrong :)
2015-02-09 16:11 <wpwrak> you could hack into your ABS ;-)
2015-02-09 16:11 <DocScrutinizer05> you can bet on _something_ "going wrong" when you do this via remote control
2015-02-09 16:11 <DocScrutinizer05> ASP >> ABS
2015-02-09 16:12 <DocScrutinizer05> well, maybe control over ASP is not _that_ simple even on BMW
2015-02-09 16:12 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't know of any data buses those ASP/ABS controlers expose to rest of system
2015-02-09 16:13 <DocScrutinizer05> for good reason those are autonomous and sealed
2015-02-09 16:13 <DocScrutinizer05> at least they were, a 10 or 20 years ago
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2015-02-09 16:15 <DocScrutinizer05> nowadays though... who knows. Designers might want to show APS-intercet per wheel in headup display, needs a data bus from ASP controller to somewhere else. That's it then
2015-02-09 16:16 <DocScrutinizer05> I rejected ~ 15 job offers in automotive industry during last 8 years
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2015-02-09 16:18 <wpwrak> nowadays they're probably cloud-based, with monthly subscriptions - BaaS, braking as a service ;-))
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