2015-01-14 00:04 DocScrutinizer06 has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 00:06 jow_lapt1p has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 00:09 would be a lot more awesome if it could detect the keys you're pressing on the device it is charging :) 2015-01-14 00:09 jow_laptop has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-14 00:09 Nik05 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-14 00:09 Haswell has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-14 00:09 DocScrutinizer05 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-14 00:09 larsc has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-14 00:09 DocScrutinizer06 has quit [Changing host] 2015-01-14 00:09 DocScrutinizer06 has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 00:09 DocScrutinizer06 is now known as DocScrutinizer05 2015-01-14 00:09 Nik05 has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 00:10 wpwrak: it's open source so it could be done :) 2015-01-14 00:11 another cool project http://www.novalia.co.uk/portfolio/dj-qbert-interactive-dj-decks/ 2015-01-14 00:12 larsc has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 00:15 unclouded has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-14 00:18 Haswell has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 00:22 DocScrutinizer05 is now known as joerg_rw 2015-01-14 00:23 joerg_rw is now known as DocScrutinizer05 2015-01-14 00:36 mithro has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 00:40 FDCX has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-14 00:57 [commit] Werner Almesberger: update the menu bar (specifically, View > Show ...) after changes with "/" (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/e3deb39 2015-01-14 00:57 [commit] Werner Almesberger: slicer/slice.c (eq): increase epsilon from 1e-6 to 1e-5 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/cae-tools/02d2b28 2015-01-14 01:04 Haswell has quit [Quit: Saliendo] 2015-01-14 01:25 _whitelogger_ has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 02:21 sb0 has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 02:41 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-14 02:48 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 02:48 rozzin has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-14 02:48 FDCX__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-14 02:51 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 02:51 rozzin has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 03:01 atommann has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2015-01-14 03:03 FDCX__ has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 03:07 archang: Hello 2015-01-14 03:08 is the package (Y-cables) sent out to werner? 2015-01-14 03:28 _whitelogger_ has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 03:31 archang: wpwrak I generate the gerber file at here: http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/xiangfu/anelok/kicad/ 2015-01-14 03:31 I will send out this file today or tomorrow. 2015-01-14 03:33 Nik05 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-14 03:39 _whitelogger_ has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-01-14 03:39 _whitelogger_ has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 03:47 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-14 03:51 atommann has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 03:53 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 04:03 idundidit has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-14 04:05 idundidit has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 04:11 Nik05 has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 04:21 Luke-Jr has quit [Excess Flood] 2015-01-14 04:22 Luke-Jr has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 05:08 Nik05 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-14 05:16 Nik05 has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 05:21 _whitelogger_ has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 05:28 xiangfu: how are you sending the cables ? air mail ? 2015-01-14 05:40 DHL 2015-01-14 05:40 air mail, DHL. 2015-01-14 05:43 DHL is courier or regular mail in this case ? regular mail is better if there are problems, because customs clearance is in the city, not a trip out to the airport 2015-01-14 05:44 we now have a restriction on "internet purchases", with a very fuzzy definition of what that is supposed to mean, so please make sure it doesn't look like a "purchase" 2015-01-14 05:45 (the good news are that there will be new elections in october, when the idiot government we have to thank for for all this insanity will hopefully receive a kick in the butt ...) 2015-01-14 05:48 gerbers look good. there are a few slightly sloppy spots but hopefully the pcb makers won't mind. specifically, issues that may not like: 2015-01-14 05:49 1) there's sometimes silk screen on solder mask openings. clearances should still be well sufficient to avoid trouble. if they really hate it, tick "Subtract soldermask from silk screen" in the Gerber dialog. 2015-01-14 05:51 2) one positioning mark of the OLED FPC touches a hole (for the switch). this is expected and there's nothing we can do about it. the PCB makers should just try their best there. if the positioning mark doesn't make it or comes out wrong, that's not a problem. 2015-01-14 05:54 3) the battery pads exceed the PCB. again, that's intentional. they'll have to trim them in one way or another. the edge outline is right, so the pads should be cut. 2015-01-14 05:56 4) similarly, there is silk screen for the switch and for the memory card holder that exceeds the board outline. again, the excessive silk screen should just be ignored. 2015-01-14 06:00 most likely, the only thing they may complain about is 3). you may want to attach a note telling them that we know this and that they should just cut off as much of the pad as they have to. 2015-01-14 06:00 and you don't need to send them anelok-Dwgs_User.gbr or any anelok-*_Paste.*, but they probably already know to ignore such things :) 2015-01-14 06:15 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-14 06:16 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 06:49 wpwrak: DHL is fast. the other option is EMS. 2015-01-14 06:58 [doesn't look like a purchase]: Yes. 2015-01-14 07:04 gerber: thanks for the info. now I know how to answer them when they are asking :) 2015-01-14 07:05 what is those Dwgs_User/*_Paste* for? 2015-01-14 07:05 archang: I document the steps here: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/KiCad_Gerber_and_Drill_Files#Version_2013-Jul-07-stable 2015-01-14 07:06 roger 2015-01-14 07:15 mithro has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-14 07:17 mithro has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 07:53 fmeerkoetter has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 08:03 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2015-01-14 08:06 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 08:08 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 08:33 wpwrak: I think next step here is find the BOM of anelok. 2015-01-14 08:36 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 08:43 win 2 2015-01-14 08:48 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-14 08:50 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 08:54 xiangfu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-14 08:56 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 09:19 Jay7x is now known as Jay7 2015-01-14 09:26 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 09:26 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-14 10:27 BLOKDAK has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 10:31 unclouded has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-14 10:37 unclouded has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 10:39 jow_lapt1p is now known as jow_laptop 2015-01-14 10:45 atommann has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-14 10:50 xiangfu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-14 11:35 Nik05 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-14 11:35 Nik05 has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 11:41 jekhor_ has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 12:17 xiangfu in absentia: (DHL) yes, courier is usually much nicer - except that it ends up at a potentially very hostile customs point in argentina. postal services - including EMS - take a different and hopefully more friendly route. 2015-01-14 12:18 atommann has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 12:34 FDCX has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 12:43 BLOKDAK has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-14 13:12 jekhor_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-14 13:12 jekhor__ has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 13:22 xiangfu in absentia: (BOM) it's cleverly hidden in anelok/bom/ ;-) you have to generate it, though. but that's explained in the README. speaking of the BOM ... just found an error (had the wrong USB receptacle). fixed now. 2015-01-14 13:53 arossdotme has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 13:58 FDCX has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-14 14:01 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-14 14:03 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 14:22 jekhor__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-14 14:45 arhuaco has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 14:51 jekhor__ has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 15:09 arhuaco has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2015-01-14 15:10 arhuaco has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 15:16 jekhor__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-14 15:21 jekhor__ has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 15:34 pcercuei_ has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 15:34 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-14 15:46 fmeerkoetter has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-14 15:52 jekhor__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-14 16:08 sb0 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2015-01-14 17:04 atommann has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-14 17:04 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20150114_003.jpg http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/20150114_001.jpg :-D 2015-01-14 17:06 HP err Agilent err KeySight 2015-01-14 17:07 never before seen or heard of such a monster 2015-01-14 17:11 I wonder oif they actually had a test spec that says "device - except fuse - survives 10 times applying 600V AC at ESR 1mOhm to the Ampere range probe jacks" 2015-01-14 17:19 archang has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2015-01-14 17:22 600kA? 2015-01-14 17:23 oh, 30kA fuse 2015-01-14 17:27 yeah, capable of breaking 20kA 2015-01-14 17:27 err 30 2015-01-14 17:27 nominal blow is 11A 2015-01-14 17:28 hihi, lightning thunder the very moment I sent "err 30" 2015-01-14 17:28 more than 600V though ;-P 2015-01-14 17:29 30kA sounds about right for lightning as well 2015-01-14 17:29 current may be about right, though: http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1997/BrookeHaramija.shtml 2015-01-14 17:29 :-D 2015-01-14 17:31 eventually I'll have to check how much ionizing radiation lightning emits. There are claims lightning even causes fusion reactions (H -> He) 2015-01-14 17:32 X-ray sounds absolutely plausible. gamma claimed to be observed, though sounds not plausible. Alpha, well... dunno 2015-01-14 17:33 well 2015-01-14 17:33 a fusor is a pretty simple device 2015-01-14 17:33 sure 2015-01-14 17:34 you need 4keV to fuse D-T 2015-01-14 17:34 extremely simple but *huge* 2015-01-14 17:35 I prefer thinking in degrees Kelvin 2015-01-14 17:36 simpler than transforming temperature into "speed" 2015-01-14 17:38 I guess in lightning the problem isn't the temperature but the pressure 2015-01-14 17:38 too high? hmm 2015-01-14 17:39 the H+ won't get accelerated sufficiently to collide, by the electric field 2015-01-14 17:40 only change is to accelerate them by high temperature and high pressure 2015-01-14 17:40 not sure about "high pressure", in a fusor you have dilute gas 2015-01-14 17:40 i mean the issue here is mean free path 2015-01-14 17:40 if it's too low, you aren't accelerating the ions fast enough 2015-01-14 17:41 yeah, when you accelerate ions in a filed, it is 2015-01-14 17:41 at 1atm it is on the order in 400nm 2015-01-14 17:41 field* 2015-01-14 17:41 pcercuei_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2015-01-14 17:43 laser fusors work by shooting laser beams on a tiny ball of fusion material from all sides, to create a sort of containment, by both light pressure and explosion momentum. While same time heating up the material to extreme temperatures 2015-01-14 17:44 yeah, but a lightning is nowhere near that 2015-01-14 17:44 of course you can fusion H+ in even tiny cyclotrons, in vacuum, but that's not how lightning works 2015-01-14 17:45 so much for my uneducated take on "lightning creates fusion reactions" 2015-01-14 17:46 I doubt it 2015-01-14 17:47 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 17:48 http://www.quora.com/Why-doesnt-lightning-cause-fusion-or-does-it 2015-01-14 17:48 >quora 2015-01-14 17:49 >> yield of ~1015 neutrons per lightning flash<< LOL 2015-01-14 17:49 10^15 2015-01-14 17:50 ooh, prolly they mean 10^15 2015-01-14 17:50 meh, you beat me to it ;-) 2015-01-14 17:56 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2015-01-14 18:01 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 18:12 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 18:14 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rek3jjbYRLo 2015-01-14 18:14 :-) 2015-01-14 18:23 rozzin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2015-01-14 18:24 rozzin has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 18:30 http://susepaste.org/36864282 :) 2015-01-14 18:49 now if I also would find a doc about the supported commands... 2015-01-14 19:28 dandon has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2015-01-14 19:34 dandon has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 19:57 dang, the (not included!!!) 134 pages manual for the U1233A obviously has zilch info about the supported command set, only a vague pointer to that dang windoze app "Agilent GUI Data Logger Software" 2015-01-14 20:03 http://www.keysight.com/main/software.jspx?ckey=878442&lc=eng&cc=GB&nid=-11143.0.00&id=878442 suckers! 2015-01-14 20:09 hmm http://www.keysight.com/upload/cmc_upload/All/release-note1.txt >>4. Removed Scpi command SYST:TENV 1<< Seems I'm up to my own to test SCPI commands if they work with U1233A or not 2015-01-14 20:16 maybe look for the 34401A command set. should be very similar 2015-01-14 20:24 any pointer for that one? 2015-01-14 20:24 agilent website sucks big time 2015-01-14 20:26 http://privatepaste.com/3f42928610 2015-01-14 20:29 the keyword you need is "scpi" :) http://cp.literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/34401-90004.pdf 2015-01-14 20:31 ah, keysight have it, too: http://www.keysight.com/owc_discussions/servlet/JiveServlet/download/124-35351-107364-5847/34410A_11A_SCPI_Reference.pdf 2015-01-14 20:31 https://www.keysight.com/overlay/asmpostauth?env=https://www.keysight.com/my/faces/pages_home has infinite recursion, idiots! 2015-01-14 20:32 wpwrak: thanks a megaton! 2015-01-14 20:34 216 x 279 mm (portrait letter) page size, average of 10 lines per page, ~1100 pages. Are those guys nuts? 2015-01-14 20:35 1900 pages, http://susepaste.org/61396757 2015-01-14 20:36 well, consider the font size ;-)) 2015-01-14 20:36 and the document structure :) 2015-01-14 20:36 prolly made for cassiopeia 2015-01-14 20:36 640*240 pix screen 2015-01-14 20:36 but i guess you'll get as much information, if not more, from the agilent manual 2015-01-14 20:40 fmeerkoetter has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 20:42 * DocScrutinizer05 closes that keysight abomination 2015-01-14 20:43 agilent explanation of SCPI is scary enough ;-) 2015-01-14 20:43 rejon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-14 20:47 dandon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-14 20:50 dandon has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 20:59 however 2015-01-14 20:59 sense:voltage:dc:range? 2015-01-14 20:59 *E 2015-01-14 20:59 *E is the standard response to virtually everything 2015-01-14 21:02 actually *IDN? is the only command so far that produces anything other than *E 2015-01-14 21:02 and switching the rotary dial produces *1 *2 *3 aso depending on position 2015-01-14 21:02 ugggggh scpi 2015-01-14 21:03 some devices let you send "button presses" and return a bitmap of which LCD segments are active in response ;-) 2015-01-14 21:04 so be thankful for SCPI :) 2015-01-14 21:04 pressing the pressing the "TRIG HOLD / AUTO LOG" blue button produces "unsolicited response code" like "010016512000200" (incl ") for a display reading of 16.5 mV AC 2015-01-14 21:05 only one though, for each keypress 2015-01-14 21:06 if only devices would follow the standard 2015-01-14 21:07 now where would be the fun if they did ? 2015-01-14 21:07 yeah :-/ 2015-01-14 21:07 what I've heard is tha often devices speak a dialect that is only compatible to the vendors control software 2015-01-14 21:09 ... and whatever you have to write to talk to the critter regardless :) 2015-01-14 21:09 but yes, there are ugly variations 2015-01-14 21:09 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-14 21:12 YEEHAAA *RST works too 2015-01-14 21:12 jwhitmore has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 21:16 Ornotermes has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-14 21:16 Ornotermes has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 21:17 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 21:22 WOOOOOWooowWOOOOWWW! 2015-01-14 21:22 SYST:ERR? 2015-01-14 21:22 -100,Command error 2015-01-14 21:23 so it at least DOES speak SYS:SUBSYS:CMD syntax 2015-01-14 21:24 SyntaxTerror has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 21:28 enjoy the three ways to do measurements :) 2015-01-14 21:34 wolfspraul has quit [Quit: leaving] 2015-01-14 21:34 ok... I'm getting ads on youtube that urge me to sign up for the 2013 new year's eve party. Did my timemachine finally work? 2015-01-14 21:34 fmeerkoetter has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-14 21:35 for now I don't see a single way to record measurements 2015-01-14 21:39 fmeerkoetter has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 21:40 larsc: why ? it's about the right time to plan the parties. less than a week to go. oh, and merry x-mess ! 2015-01-14 21:41 excelent! 2015-01-14 21:57 jekhor__ has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 22:03 http://privatepaste.com/0e0710775e 2015-01-14 22:05 viric has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-14 22:07 i'd try MEAS:... worry about errors only when they happen ;-) 2015-01-14 22:10 SYST:HELP:HEAD?;*E 2015-01-14 22:10 viric has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 22:12 MEAS:VOLT:AC?;*E :-S 2015-01-14 22:13 MEAS?;*E 2015-01-14 22:23 http://privatepaste.com/cb048a625a several AC voltage readings (getting them by pushbutton method) in the range 8.x..9.x mV; one DC voltage iirc +0.1mV; three resistance readings infinite, "short" (0.2 Ohm?) and 8.15M 2015-01-14 22:26 I guess it's time to give up on that one for now 2015-01-14 22:36 keysight/GUI_DataLogger_v1.7.1.zip/GUI_DataLogger_v1.7.1 http://wstaw.org/m/2015/01/14/plasma-desktopzo2003.png 2015-01-14 22:38 fmeerkoetter has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2015-01-14 22:38 I wonder if HP/Agilent/KeySight doesn't feel like publishing a decent "SCPI Conformity Spec" for their stuff 2015-01-14 22:39 unbearable! 2015-01-14 22:53 jekhor__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2015-01-14 22:56 try MEAS:VOLT:DC? or such 2015-01-14 22:56 the ;*E you tried seems weird. i never used that. 2015-01-14 22:57 (conformity spec) to help the cloners ? hah ! :) 2015-01-14 22:57 DocScrutinizer05 has quit [Disconnected by services] 2015-01-14 22:57 DocScrutinizer05 has joined #qi-hardware 2015-01-14 23:01 ; == ^J 2015-01-14 23:01 *E == Agilent_says_'SUCKER' 2015-01-14 23:02 ((try MEAS:VOLT:DC? or such)) MEAS:VOLT:AC? == "or such"? 2015-01-14 23:02 (particularly since the device been set to AC by turndial) 2015-01-14 23:04 http://wstaw.org/m/2015/01/15/plasma-desktopIt2003.png caused somebody hogging my network with 1.6Mbit >:-( 2015-01-14 23:04 the MEAS command should override the manual setting 2015-01-14 23:04 how would it do that on a turndial button? 2015-01-14 23:05 even when it does - I doubt MEAS for the mode currently manually selected is invalid 2015-01-14 23:05 that turndial is typically just an encoder 2015-01-14 23:06 hmm, hardly 2015-01-14 23:06 particularly since uA and Volt are same prope jacks 2015-01-14 23:06 probe* 2015-01-14 23:06 ah, that's unusual 2015-01-14 23:07 this critter is battery powered, it doesn't have energy for fancy relays 2015-01-14 23:08 pcercuei has quit [Quit: dodo] 2015-01-14 23:09 okay, my bench meters do the occasional clicking ;-) 2015-01-14 23:09 i've seen relays with coil current in milliamp range 2015-01-14 23:09 5ma for sure 2015-01-14 23:09 oh 2015-01-14 23:09 DocScrutinizer05: bistable relay. 2015-01-14 23:09 ((;*E)) http://privatepaste.com/63ff203728 ^J vs ; 2015-01-14 23:10 phew. http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/anelok/tmp/anelok-case-20150114.png 2015-01-14 23:10 whitequark: it's simply not built like this 2015-01-14 23:10 I mean the critter costs <200 bucks 2015-01-14 23:11 incl "Calibration Certificate" 2015-01-14 23:11 i don't think you need that *E. just MEAS:...? should do the trick 2015-01-14 23:11 maybe you need CRLF or such 2015-01-14 23:11 wpwrak: I start to headdesk!! *E is DMM's answer! 2015-01-14 23:11 DocScrutinizer05: http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-Volt-Latching-Relay-2-Form-C-DPDT-EB2-5SN-/110463457196 2015-01-14 23:11 $0.99 2015-01-14 23:12 oh :) 2015-01-14 23:13 whitequark: don't tell me, tell KeySight! 2015-01-14 23:13 but wait ... you're beginning the command with a * ? that doesn't look right 2015-01-14 23:13 I tried _all_ possible permutations 2015-01-14 23:14 DocScrutinizer05: I mean, it fits into both power and economic budget 2015-01-14 23:14 with and without *, with sub and subsub-cmd 2015-01-14 23:14 well, try to 2015-01-14 23:14 whitequark: but not into design budget 2015-01-14 23:15 - set it to VDC and connect something with a non-random value (battery or such) 2015-01-14 23:15 - power-cycle 2015-01-14 23:15 - then send MEAS:VOLT:DC? 2015-01-14 23:15 doesn't work 2015-01-14 23:15 needs ^J or ; 2015-01-14 23:16 funny enough it accepts ; just like ^J 2015-01-14 23:17 I think 0.000V is good enough of a stable voltage 2015-01-14 23:17 ah yes, there's something wrong with the command. checking ... 2015-01-14 23:19 *1 2015-01-14 23:19 *2 2015-01-14 23:19 MEAS:VOLT:DC? 2015-01-14 23:19 *E 2015-01-14 23:19 *1 == Volt~ pos of turn knob 2015-01-14 23:19 *2 = VolT= pos of turn knob 2015-01-14 23:20 entered ^j after cmd 2015-01-14 23:20 device aswers *E 2015-01-14 23:20 what does CONF? say ? 2015-01-14 23:21 \o/ third command that works 2015-01-14 23:21 CONF? 2015-01-14 23:21 "V,0,DC" 2015-01-14 23:21 ah, found it :) 2015-01-14 23:21 :SYST:REM 2015-01-14 23:21 then 2015-01-14 23:21 MEAS:VOLT:DC? 2015-01-14 23:22 :SYST:REM 2015-01-14 23:22 *E 2015-01-14 23:22 SYST:REM without leading : ? 2015-01-14 23:23 *E 2015-01-14 23:23 at least it's consistent :) 2015-01-14 23:24 http://privatepaste.com/7e8edda84a ;-D 2015-01-14 23:24 *1 == Unsolicited Response Code when switching back to pos1=AC 2015-01-14 23:25 nice :) 2015-01-14 23:25 maybe try :MEAS? 2015-01-14 23:26 changed from auto range to 0.00: 2015-01-14 23:26 CONF? 2015-01-14 23:26 "V,2,AC" 2015-01-14 23:26 MEAS? 2015-01-14 23:26 READ? 2015-01-14 23:27 you're the genius!!! 2015-01-14 23:27 READ works 2015-01-14 23:27 phew. finally :) 2015-01-14 23:27 READ? 2015-01-14 23:27 +0.00000000E+00 2015-01-14 23:27 as if it had that precision ;-) 2015-01-14 23:28 LOL 2015-01-14 23:29 and the SUCKER the BASTARD doesn't accept ; instead of ^J for READ? 2015-01-14 23:29 "READ?" 2015-01-14 23:30 http://privatepaste.com/90e2748395 2015-01-14 23:31 rhat's prolly why I missed it so far 2015-01-14 23:31 I actually tried READ before 2015-01-14 23:32 not sure if ; is even valid after READ? 2015-01-14 23:32 at least mine doesn't like it 2015-01-14 23:33 it takes ; as termination for almost everything, even READ?, since it instantly answers with *E 2015-01-14 23:35 according to SCPI specs ; is for multiple commands per line. So I thought "duh, lazy sucker simple did ';==^J' to simplify stuff" 2015-01-14 23:35 and since ^J is a PITA to type, I used ; instead from then on 2015-01-14 23:39 READ? 2015-01-14 23:39 +2.34350000E+02 2015-01-14 23:39 one digit more than in display 2015-01-14 23:39 FWIW 2015-01-14 23:41 http://privatepaste.com/ed48000cdb 2015-01-14 23:42 no notification about "Esc" button getting pressed to V~ -> Freq 2015-01-14 23:42 hehe :) 2015-01-14 23:42 those unsolicited *2 *3 etc only appear for trun knob 2015-01-14 23:43 anyway thanks for smashing the critter 2015-01-14 23:46 anybody an idea how much jitter and which frequency of jitter supposed to be seen in German/European power grid? 2015-01-14 23:47 seems to jitter ~0.01Hz up and down, in a few seconds, according to this DMM. I think I know whom to blame 2015-01-14 23:50 DUH! +5.00320000E+01 2015-01-14 23:52 http://privatepaste.com/585e7fdbc7 interval ~1s 2015-01-14 23:53 sounds non-plausible for power grid, very plausible though for some systematic error inside DMM 2015-01-14 23:56 though who knows, might as well be regulation overshots as seen with any PID regulator ;-D 2015-01-14 23:57 particularly since the wole thing needs to stay in phase 2015-01-14 23:57 long term