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2015-01-11 00:04 <DocScrutinizer05> insufficient approach: problem is the placement of the flush knob, fix for this doesn't need any electronics
2015-01-11 00:08 <DocScrutinizer05> to give you an idea: in 1980 I lived in a kraaked flat that had completely messed up toilet flush system. both the filling valve and the flush valve were not tight. I build a system consisting of a 80*50cm board on the floor and a few cords to that board and to the flush handle, to start filling of the water tank when somebody stepped on the board, and stopping it when somebody pulled the flush handle
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2015-01-11 00:10 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, a elastic band and a ~8cm of steel arm for the water tap were also involved
2015-01-11 00:10 <DocScrutinizer05> plus some duct tape
2015-01-11 00:11 <DocScrutinizer05> worked flawlessly for the 2 years we kraaked that flat
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2015-01-11 00:24 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: poly2d (p2d_is_cw, p2d_is_closed, p2d_no_intersect, p2d_vertices): use better types (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/cae-tools/cba417f
2015-01-11 00:25 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: poly2d (p2d_contains_point): use "bool" instead of "int" (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/cae-tools/3cc284d
2015-01-11 00:25 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: poly2d/ (p2d_write_gnuplot, p2d_write_gnuplot_all): use "bool" instead of "int" (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/cae-tools/5808a40
2015-01-11 00:29 <DocScrutinizer05> arossdotme: no away messages please!
2015-01-11 00:29 * arossdotme is back (gone 00:06:36)
2015-01-11 00:29 <arossdotme> sorry
2015-01-11 00:29 <DocScrutinizer05> arossdotme: please fix that!
2015-01-11 00:29 <arossdotme> trying it out for the first time
2015-01-11 00:29 <DocScrutinizer05> np, just saying
2015-01-11 00:29 <arossdotme> it's not on auto
2015-01-11 00:29 <arossdotme> manual
2015-01-11 00:30 <arossdotme> so i can just leave it for now :P
2015-01-11 00:30 <DocScrutinizer05> ~autoaway
2015-01-11 00:30 <infobot> well, autoaway is We don't care if you're 'afk', 'having a shower' or 'doing my wife'. If we really want to know, we'll /whois you. So please disable any public messages your client sends when you go /away or come back, as there are over 800 people here. If everyone did something annoying, we'd never get any conversation in. In BX, /set auto_away off. /saveirc, or nick changes are just as annoying.
2015-01-11 00:30 <arossdotme> as you won't be edbother by it again
2015-01-11 00:35 <DocScrutinizer05> arossdotme: also note that you might run into severe trouble when idoru (freenode bot) detects you crossposting same stuff over all channels you joined. Peaple got k-lined for a mere /amsg good morning
2015-01-11 00:36 <arossdotme> ok, thx
2015-01-11 00:36 <arossdotme> i've found the setting now so it does not announce.
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2015-01-11 09:20 <viric> ysionneau: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2015/01/07/252225_gunmen-in-paris-terror-attack.html
2015-01-11 09:22 <viric> voltairenet points out that the only link between the attack and islamism are the shouts of the attackers.
2015-01-11 09:24 <viric> the claims in the mcclatchy have zero references though :)
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2015-01-11 09:27 <viric> the 'video censored on tv' seems to have disappeared from internet though
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2015-01-11 13:55 <ysionneau> well, it's not the only link viric
2015-01-11 13:55 <ysionneau> they went to Yemen
2015-01-11 13:55 <ysionneau> got friend with someone in prison
2015-01-11 13:55 <ysionneau> are known to have been in some terrorist groups in 13eme arr. Paris
2015-01-11 13:55 <ysionneau> etc
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2015-01-11 14:16 <viric> may be. No idea. :)
2015-01-11 14:16 <viric> I'm very far of the case to check anything like that.
2015-01-11 14:17 <viric> I'm quite used to see fake biographies though.
2015-01-11 14:17 <ysionneau> and btw, they were on no flight list in the USA
2015-01-11 14:17 <ysionneau> so they were pretty well known to be terrorist since 2010 or something like that
2015-01-11 14:18 <viric> it's too hard for individuals to check things like that
2015-01-11 14:19 <ysionneau> well, that's public information
2015-01-11 14:19 <ysionneau> if it were wrong, someone would say so
2015-01-11 14:19 <ysionneau> that's on the news since several days
2015-01-11 14:20 <viric> I know enough that situation, "someone would say so"
2015-01-11 14:20 <ysionneau> well then don't read anything any more :p
2015-01-11 14:20 <viric> :)
2015-01-11 14:21 <viric> it's you who is sure.
2015-01-11 14:21 <ysionneau> well I just say it's public well broadcasted information
2015-01-11 14:21 <viric> I agree
2015-01-11 14:22 <ysionneau> and good media like mediapart or arrêtsurimages are not saying it's fake
2015-01-11 14:22 <ysionneau> so there is high probability it's right
2015-01-11 14:22 <ysionneau> secret services have no interest in saying "we screwed up"
2015-01-11 14:22 <viric> case closed
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2015-01-11 18:10 <wpwrak> ysionneau: "they were on no flight list in the USA" i.e., they never boarded a plane of or going to the US ? :)
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2015-01-11 18:12 <wpwrak> "that's public information" if you're referring to no-fly lists, i don't think they are. at least not to the general public. so if the general public is informed about someone's status on such lists, there must be someone acting as gateway.
2015-01-11 18:13 <wpwrak> in IT, we may call this an "accessor". now, think of all the fun you can have with "accessors" that do a lot more or different things that just merely accessing what's supposedly underneath :)
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2015-01-11 18:15 <ysionneau> wpwrak: I mean, now that this story is public (after the attacks) and after journalists spent hours and hours vomiting every piece of information they could put their hands on
2015-01-11 18:15 <ysionneau> now : this is public
2015-01-11 18:16 <wpwrak> which means it has little actual credibility. not that it's be surprised if it was true (there are LOTS of people on those lists), but just that the information flow does not convey credibility
2015-01-11 18:18 <wpwrak> (lists) and there are several levels. "no fly", "terrorist watchlist", and so on. i wouldn't trust the press to be very precise in assigning the correct list membership. e.g., someone who's suspected to be somehow supporting terrorism, but not banned from flying, may well get a mis-attributed entry on the latter list if that person ends up in the public spotlight
2015-01-11 18:19 <wpwrak> in any case, even if all those things are true as presented, it just means that the whole system is not effective in terms of preventing incidents
2015-01-11 18:20 <whitequark> huh, looks venezuela's in trouble
2015-01-11 18:20 <wpwrak> whitequark how is 2010 ? ;-)
2015-01-11 18:21 <whitequark> lol
2015-01-11 18:21 <whitequark> reading http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-09/venezuelans-throng-grocery-stores-on-military-protection-order.html
2015-01-11 18:21 <whitequark> food shortages since 2010?
2015-01-11 18:22 <wpwrak> that's just evil western propaganda. look at the "empty shelves" picture. there are clearly some things in evidence at the top
2015-01-11 18:23 <viric> venezuela is quite at the west
2015-01-11 18:23 <viric> :)
2015-01-11 18:23 <wpwrak> 2010 may have marked the beginning of toilet paper shortages. not sure when exactly that began, but i was around that time and it has to start somewhere ...
2015-01-11 18:24 <wpwrak> viric: in political terms, it's somewhere in the far east. somewhere east of siberia :)
2015-01-11 18:24 <viric> isn't the east at the right? hehe
2015-01-11 18:25 <viric> the world upside down
2015-01-11 18:25 <wpwrak> if you elect stalin, it is :)
2015-01-11 18:25 <viric> all for the state.
2015-01-11 18:25 <whitequark> "at the right" https://d1ftgt94wd5jml.cloudfront.net/2010/proj_orthographic.png
2015-01-11 18:25 <wpwrak> hehe ;-)
2015-01-11 18:25 <whitequark> that... actually emphasizes it
2015-01-11 18:27 <viric> by the way, these days I'm working with Vivado and it's horrible.
2015-01-11 18:27 <viric> Very horrible.
2015-01-11 18:27 <viric> my congratulations to Xilinx.
2015-01-11 18:28 <wpwrak> the pain still seems to be insufficient, though
2015-01-11 18:28 <pcercuei> see what I endure at work?
2015-01-11 18:28 <whitequark> viric: is it worse than ISE?
2015-01-11 18:28 <viric> I think so
2015-01-11 18:28 <whitequark> oh.
2015-01-11 18:28 <wpwrak> else, we'd be seeing commits on a clone of wolfgang's fpga synthesis project :)
2015-01-11 18:28 <whitequark> wow.
2015-01-11 18:29 <whitequark> wpwrak: I considered contributing
2015-01-11 18:29 <wpwrak> whitequark: stop procrastinating ! :)
2015-01-11 18:29 <whitequark> politely speaking, it is somewhat dense
2015-01-11 18:29 <wpwrak> i read "more opportunity" :)
2015-01-11 18:30 <viric> I don't plan to contribute because I have the end of that project at eyesight
2015-01-11 18:30 <wpwrak> free the world from the shackles of idiotic proprietary (oh wait. that's redundant) fpga tools
2015-01-11 18:30 <viric> hence the 'acceptable pain'
2015-01-11 18:31 <wpwrak> viric: that's what Sisyphus said
2015-01-11 18:31 <viric> by now I have better things to do than solving that world problem.
2015-01-11 18:31 <whitequark> some day, scientists will find a strong link between alcoholism and FPGA development
2015-01-11 18:31 <viric> :)
2015-01-11 18:31 <viric> wpwrak: did sisyphus receive a salary?
2015-01-11 18:32 <wpwrak> viric: they didn't need that back then. the wrath of the gods was enough :)
2015-01-11 18:32 <viric> wpwrak: same thing under different names
2015-01-11 18:32 <wpwrak> besides, look who's famous - him or you ? :)
2015-01-11 18:32 <wpwrak> (different name) yeah, that works :)
2015-01-11 18:33 <viric> sisyphus got the glory.
2015-01-11 18:33 <viric> we'd have to see him with Vivado though.
2015-01-11 18:33 <wpwrak> poor, poor suicide statistics ...
2015-01-11 18:35 <viric> and when I have troubles with Vivado, I only find posts telling how Vivado 2014 is so much better than previous versions
2015-01-11 18:35 <viric> meaning, when I search for online help
2015-01-11 18:40 <pcercuei> it's not
2015-01-11 18:40 <pcercuei> don't upgrade :p
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2015-01-11 19:11 <viric> pcercuei: I'm at latest 2014, but I'm not alone in the project, so I have it a bit mandated. :)
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2015-01-11 19:26 <larsc> yea, so 2014.3 (and maybe 2014.4) has a bug where it removes a whole vector if part of the vector is unused
2015-01-11 19:26 <larsc> ...
2015-01-11 19:30 <viric> I had to write awful vhdl to get ram inferred
2015-01-11 19:43 <larsc> awful vhdl, that's a bit of a pleonasm ;)
2015-01-11 19:44 <larsc> viric: are you at FOSDEM this year?
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2015-01-11 20:04 <viric> larsc: not, I don't think so.
2015-01-11 20:05 <viric> larsc: the only thing I liked from fosdem was to meet a few people, like you :) I didn't like much the talks or debates.
2015-01-11 20:05 <viric> I think the communication was too poor among most people
2015-01-11 20:06 <viric> only a few mastered English enough. And by that I don't mean I'm one of those.
2015-01-11 20:07 <viric> Having experienced esperanto environments, I was shocked by how bad people managed to intercommunicate (for my standards. :)
2015-01-11 20:21 <larsc> ah, too bad.
2015-01-11 20:22 <DocScrutinizer05> HAHA  http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=convert+180g+beef+to+kalories  seems is too complex for WA
2015-01-11 20:22 <DocScrutinizer05> or maybe WA runs a live test ;-)
2015-01-11 20:32 <whitequark> it just hangs randomly
2015-01-11 20:32 <whitequark> actually, it executed for me. 424 calories
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2015-01-11 21:12 <viric> larsc: I'd like to go some day to the ccc newyear meeting though
2015-01-11 21:15 <wpwrak> seems that wolfram aren't strong in homeopathy. 180 grams of beef, sheesh. what's that, child abuse ? :)
2015-01-11 21:28 <viric> ysionneau: who filmed the kill off of the policeman is a catalan neighbour
2015-01-11 21:29 <viric> that's the video many used to suspect that all is fake (lack of blood in a hit to the head), and he took away the video from the sites because he understood that "it was too offensive"
2015-01-11 21:30 <ysionneau> ok
2015-01-11 21:31 <ysionneau> I can confirm that the policeman is dead though
2015-01-11 21:40 <viric> ah do you?
2015-01-11 21:40 <ysionneau> sure yes, two cops are dead
2015-01-11 21:41 <ysionneau> a black woman, and the (muslim) guy you saw being shot dead on the video
2015-01-11 21:41 <viric> how do you confirm?
2015-01-11 21:41 <ysionneau> we have the complete list of names of the 17 dead
2015-01-11 21:41 <ysionneau> well, all media, newspaper, TV, are saying the names
2015-01-11 21:41 <viric> ah ok
2015-01-11 21:42 <viric> I thought you knew some relative
2015-01-11 21:42 <wpwrak> viric: just seems pointless to invent it ? :)
2015-01-11 21:42 <ysionneau> I say 17 because I'm being brain washed by French media
2015-01-11 21:42 <ysionneau> but it's 20 (3 terrorist dead)
2015-01-11 21:42 <viric> I mean... I know about media :)
2015-01-11 21:42 <viric> I thought you knew further
2015-01-11 21:42 <ysionneau> ah no
2015-01-11 21:42 <ysionneau> but I very much doubt this is fake ^^
2015-01-11 21:42 <viric> fine fine, me too :)
2015-01-11 21:43 <viric> but I'm interested in how the discussion evolves
2015-01-11 21:43 <ysionneau> I'm afraid of how this will turn out
2015-01-11 21:43 <viric> as with USA's 11S there were many works about it :)
2015-01-11 21:43 <viric> the plane on Pentagon, Zeitgeist movies and alike, ... :)
2015-01-11 21:43 <ysionneau> it will be more anti-freedom pro-security laws, and more anti-islam FN bullshit
2015-01-11 21:44 <ysionneau> which will increase the number of terrorist ...
2015-01-11 21:44 <ysionneau> for(;;);
2015-01-11 21:44 <viric> ysionneau: yes, the solutions to such terrorism are always *more state* and *less freedom*
2015-01-11 21:44 <ysionneau> hehe
2015-01-11 21:44 <viric> that's specifically what makes conspiracy theories sound
2015-01-11 21:45 <wpwrak> why don't we look at history ? there's an ethnic group that's being kept under the boot. they have plenty of combat experience. they feel they deserve better. what could possibly happen ?
2015-01-11 21:45 <viric> if the solutions were different, that'd quickly make the conspiracy theories less acceptable
2015-01-11 21:45 <ysionneau> wpwrak: so 10000% true
2015-01-11 21:46 <wpwrak> last week: 20 dead in france. 80 years ago, WW II. i'd say we (the world) got off lightly this time.
2015-01-11 21:46 <viric> wpwrak: what did they achieve for better?
2015-01-11 21:47 <viric> More EU state oppression, specifically over them
2015-01-11 21:47 <wpwrak> viric: in the case of germany, the allies knew better than to farm the mortal enemies for the nxt war, the second time around.
2015-01-11 21:48 <viric> I didn't plan to discuss WW II :)
2015-01-11 21:48 <wpwrak> result: 80 years of peace in central europe. not too bad if you ask me. of course, that may have been possible with a bit less bloodshed.
2015-01-11 21:48 <viric> I don't think WW II was a fake :)
2015-01-11 21:48 <viric> so was a fake the start of Vietnam war, isn't it?
2015-01-11 21:48 <viric> as in USA intervention
2015-01-11 21:48 <wpwrak> viric: well, have you *seen* it ? ;-)
2015-01-11 21:49 <viric> wpwrak: I'm open to new theories about WW II :)
2015-01-11 21:49 <viric> for vietnam there was the story of that ship attacked
2015-01-11 21:49 <wpwrak> consider the creationist approach. just place the creation of the world a little later :)
2015-01-11 21:49 <wpwrak> oh, have i just returned to solipsism ? damn :)
2015-01-11 21:49 <viric> wpwrak: I quite accept Fomenko views, so don't push me ;)
2015-01-11 21:50 <viric> (Not his reconstruction, but about the forgery :)
2015-01-11 21:50 <wpwrak> (vietnam) almost every war gets started on some lame excuse
2015-01-11 21:51 <viric> wpwrak: I know that in the state where I live, there are secret-of-state documents from the XV century onwards :)
2015-01-11 21:51 <viric> 15th
2015-01-11 21:52 <viric> that is, from Inquisition onwards. Nowadays.
2015-01-11 21:52 <wpwrak> whether it's tonkin, an archduke, "WMD in iraq", ...
2015-01-11 21:52 <wpwrak> so barcelona has its dirty secrets ? :)
2015-01-11 21:52 <viric> for state I meant Madrid
2015-01-11 21:53 <wpwrak> thought you were of that other team :)
2015-01-11 21:53 <viric> When we say "our state", we mean our owner
2015-01-11 21:53 <viric> if we say "our nation", that's different :)
2015-01-11 21:53 <wpwrak> hehe :)
2015-01-11 21:54 <viric> it's a very common difference here used.
2015-01-11 21:54 <wpwrak> i just wish you guys didn't insist on linguistic separatism, too
2015-01-11 21:54 <viric> I wish you understood better :)
2015-01-11 21:54 <viric> but I hope we will have some day to make the world understand about us.
2015-01-11 21:55 <viric> have some day the opportunity
2015-01-11 21:55 <wpwrak> i mean, do all the people in the region even speak catalan ? it just sounds like opening rifts right in the middle of your own society
2015-01-11 21:55 <pcercuei> in Barcelona half of the population speak catalan
2015-01-11 21:55 <pcercuei> the other half speak french, it seems
2015-01-11 21:56 <viric> It's unfair
2015-01-11 21:56 <viric> We were killed or imprisoned if we used it in public during 40 years
2015-01-11 21:57 <viric> It's like the Vergonha in occitania
2015-01-11 21:57 <viric> (not so hard)
2015-01-11 21:57 <wpwrak> i mean i can fully understand the wish for political and economical independence. but why unearth a local language that nobody in the rest of the world understands ?
2015-01-11 21:58 <viric> fff
2015-01-11 21:58 <viric> you have a completely wrong picture
2015-01-11 21:58 <viric> You are just another victim of Spain foreign policy about that.
2015-01-11 21:59 <wpwrak> well, it would make my life easier if they'd just use german. that's true :)
2015-01-11 21:59 <wpwrak> (they) i mean all of spain and underling territories
2015-01-11 22:00 <viric> you should consider yourself illiterate about the catalan territories.
2015-01-11 22:00 <viric> instead of the opposite
2015-01-11 22:05 <wpwrak> well, you can do whatever you want. right now you have a strong economy to let you have your way. but it looks to me like a troubling tendency towards separatism that goes much farther than necessary.'
2015-01-11 22:05 <viric> I understood your view
2015-01-11 22:05 <viric> I consider it very wrong.
2015-01-11 22:06 <viric> but there you go. I hope we manage to have an opportunity where you will learn about us and not from our conquerors.
2015-01-11 22:07 <wpwrak> i don't learn much from your "recent" conquerors. (you really should be mad at the italians if it was about conquest :)
2015-01-11 22:07 <viric> they also made their history up
2015-01-11 22:08 <wpwrak> the italians ?
2015-01-11 22:08 <viric> from the catalan Napoli.
2015-01-11 22:11 <wpwrak> not quite sure what you're referring to. when has catalonia had a feud with naples ?
2015-01-11 22:11 <viric> the XVth century
2015-01-11 22:11 <viric> from Rome downwards, it was catalana
2015-01-11 22:11 <viric> catalan
2015-01-11 22:12 <wpwrak> you mean the kingdom of naples ?
2015-01-11 22:12 <viric> yes
2015-01-11 22:15 <wpwrak> what hardly seems to create much of an ethnic connection. well, outside nobility
2015-01-11 22:15 <wpwrak> anyway, i was more thinking of the romans. go to the basics :)
2015-01-11 22:16 <viric> What romans?
2015-01-11 22:16 <wpwrak> who who (badly) tought you to speak latin ;-)
2015-01-11 22:16 <wpwrak> taught even
2015-01-11 22:17 <viric> ah that's one theory :)
2015-01-11 22:17 <viric> I don't agree with that.
2015-01-11 22:17 <wpwrak> i guess you have a local one that had barcelona as the cradle of the roman empire :)
2015-01-11 22:18 <viric> well, some say that Valentia was called Roma, some say that Roma was called Valentia. :)
2015-01-11 22:18 <wpwrak> oh dear :)
2015-01-11 22:18 <viric> do you think the past is settled? :)
2015-01-11 22:18 <viric> not for me!
2015-01-11 22:19 <viric> but there you go with your "things happened as I was told on school because everyone knows"
2015-01-11 22:19 <viric> :)
2015-01-11 22:20 <wpwrak> seems that things don't look too promising on calalonia then, if people have to dwell that much on the past instead of thinking of the future. kinda reminds me of peronism in argentina. if we just repeat the mistakes of the past, the golden age will come back ...
2015-01-11 22:20 <viric> good luck with your well informed forecasts :)
2015-01-11 22:21 <viric> Time to prepare for sleep.
2015-01-11 22:23 <wpwrak> sweet dreams ! :)
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2015-01-11 22:30 <viric> same to you!
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