2015-01-10 00:00 <wpwrak> not if you look at catch 22 as a means to prevent change :)
2015-01-10 00:00 <wpwrak> "you must be sane to be allowed to leave, but if you were sane, you wouldn't be here"
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2015-01-10 01:37 <DocScrutinizer05> sounds about right
2015-01-10 01:39 <DocScrutinizer05> I wonder if Rigol scope runs sth like a VNCserver
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2015-01-10 06:07 <roh> .s
2015-01-10 06:09 <whitequark> wpwrak: not a ban
2015-01-10 06:09 <whitequark> the law makes it legal to forbid such people from getting a license
2015-01-10 06:09 <whitequark> i.e. it is at discretion of the doctor
2015-01-10 06:09 <whitequark> will likely be used for selective enforcement
2015-01-10 06:12 <wpwrak> so at the level of that law it sounds pretty harmless. i would kinda expect to find such things everywhere.
2015-01-10 06:13 <wpwrak> and yes, selective enforcement is of course an issue. again, everywhere ...
2015-01-10 06:14 <whitequark> russia has a history of punitive psychiatry...
2015-01-10 06:14 <whitequark> so, no, I do not see it as harmless
2015-01-10 06:14 <whitequark> not to mention the timing of the law
2015-01-10 06:16 <wpwrak> (harmless) i mean that you probably have a provision in any country that you can be declared unfit to drive for medical conditions
2015-01-10 06:16 <wpwrak> if it's not some blanket "for whatever reason" (to be defined by some rules governed my the entity in charge of administering licenses)
2015-01-10 06:17 <whitequark> depends on context. I mean, there always was a provision that you can't drive if you're blind or can't use the controls
2015-01-10 06:17 <whitequark> however, adding a provision on "behavioral disorders" right in the middle of crackdown on lgbt is uh
2015-01-10 06:18 <wpwrak> at least insensitive :)
2015-01-10 06:18 <mth> the message seems to be that if you don't conform to the norm, they want you to keep your mouth shut about it
2015-01-10 06:19 <whitequark> of course
2015-01-10 06:21 <wpwrak> luckily, in the free world, we regularly share our most intimate details, especially those of a sexual nature, with the world at large and only experience friendly acceptance and support ;-)
2015-01-10 06:23 <wpwrak> the difference seems to be more along the lines of people in .ru staying in their closets because they fear bad things will happen while people in other countries stay in their closets because they fear bad things may happen
2015-01-10 06:23 <wpwrak> (for whatever the closet may be)
2015-01-10 06:29 <mth> there are different meanings to "sexual"... setting orientation to "gay" in a profile is not the same as posting bedroom videos
2015-01-10 06:29 <mth> but in either case, I don't think it's any business of the state
2015-01-10 06:30 <whitequark> ^
2015-01-10 06:30 <whitequark> note that the russian state does not actually care, it needs a scapegoat
2015-01-10 06:30 <wpwrak> i'd agree with that. but it seems they just copied their list of problematic conditions from the WHO. they may not even have paid much attention to the details.
2015-01-10 06:31 <wpwrak> (or maybe it's just included by reference)
2015-01-10 06:31 <mth> my guess is they just quoted the WHO as a "look, we didn't make this up" excuse
2015-01-10 06:31 <whitequark> slipping something problematic hidden in a larger packet of law is a very common tactic
2015-01-10 06:32 <wpwrak> i.e., i can easily see how you end up with this constellation if all you want is to say that driving licenses can be denied if 1) the applicant suffers a recognized medical condition and 2) a doctor says it's bad enough to be a reason to not let that person drive.
2015-01-10 06:33 <whitequark> frankly, I don't care whether the intent was malicious or not. the result *will* be used maliciously, as evident from, say, how it happens in USA
2015-01-10 06:33 <whitequark> where similar laws *are* selectively enforced against even the same groups
2015-01-10 06:34 <whitequark> lack of knowledge of law does not absolve you of responsibility. then how lack of understanding of consequences absolves the lawmaker from it?
2015-01-10 06:34 <wpwrak> yeah, it's probably not the most clever law. i wonder if the lawmakers went "oops" after they realized the implications.
2015-01-10 06:34 <wpwrak> hehe ;-)
2015-01-10 06:34 <whitequark> "oops"? more like "yay"
2015-01-10 06:35 <wpwrak> hehe :)
2015-01-10 06:35 <whitequark> I'm not being sarcastic, transphobic and proud of it MPs are abundant
2015-01-10 06:41 <wpwrak> perhaps a general lack of neutral viewpoint in those folks ?
2015-01-10 06:44 <wpwrak> of course, kant would approve :) "if you don't like someone's idiosyncrasies, then there should be a universal law against them"
2015-01-10 06:50 <wpwrak> but i guess such things will even themselves out in a couple of generations if russia can avoid any major societal upset for that long
2015-01-10 06:51 <wpwrak> an aggressive stance against minorities is quite typical in societies that have a recent history of distress
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2015-01-10 06:54 <wpwrak> where "minorities" is any kind of "outlier" perceived as negative. of course, the definition of "negative" can vary
2015-01-10 06:55 <wpwrak> e.g., in russia it's probably quite okay to be a flamboyant atheist. now try that in the caliphate ...
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2015-01-10 08:33 <qi-bot> [commit] Werner Almesberger: gui_canvas.c (key_press_event): make / rotate through packages as well (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/fped/5fdea0e
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2015-01-10 08:59 <kyak> despite all, the title couldn't be more yellow
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2015-01-10 08:59 <kyak> of course, they had to mention putin
2015-01-10 09:06 <kyak> frankly, the more western media/politics bash Putin _personally_, the more support he will get in Russia
2015-01-10 09:07 <kyak> i don't know if this is a pecularity of russians or if the same psyhologically will work in any other country
2015-01-10 09:16 <larsc> and he probably knows that
2015-01-10 09:21 <viric> it's a bit similar with president Mas in Catalonia
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2015-01-10 09:22 <viric> a right wing man that never was pro-independence, until last elections. He managed to convince enough people, and Spanish media proclaim everywhere that "Mas is the messiah of independence"
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2015-01-10 09:23 <viric> while Mas has always been the major ballast in the independence movement.
2015-01-10 09:24 <viric> As the Spaniards attack Mas personally, he gets more support from the pro-independence, while he is the ballast towards independence.
2015-01-10 09:24 <wpwrak> hmm, principal monitor going into suspend all the time. interestingly, another monitor on the same card doesn't. but i think the card is still trying to tell me something there ... like, that's it's envious of the recent retirement of its long-time neighbour.
2015-01-10 09:27 <kyak> wpwrak: does it going suspend correlate with political discussions on this channel? :)
2015-01-10 09:27 <wpwrak> hmm. now that you mention it. maybe it got some separatist ideas ...
2015-01-10 09:33 <kyak> your monitor is corrupted, you should through it away. Or, and your video card, too
2015-01-10 09:34 <kyak> shit, you just started loving them even more..!
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2015-01-10 09:47 <viric> :)
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2015-01-10 16:47 <larsc> hm, I'm thinking that the TCU thingy is a CPU bug
2015-01-10 16:48 <larsc> or compiler
2015-01-10 16:48 <larsc> This is what the clockevent IRQ handler looks like https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/arch/mips/jz4740/time.c#n46
2015-01-10 16:48 <larsc> notice the jz4740_timer_disable() if the mode is not periodic
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2015-01-10 16:49 <larsc> if I remove that the timer does not get disabled when the watchdog is enabled
2015-01-10 16:49 <larsc> but if I replace the disable() with a printk I never see the printk either
2015-01-10 16:50 <larsc> putting some random other instructions before or after the disable also fixes the bug
2015-01-10 16:51 <larsc> and the bug only happens if TIMER_CLOCKEVENT is 0
2015-01-10 16:52 <larsc> the asm http://pastebin.com/3fgSC28h
2015-01-10 16:59 <larsc> yep, that's a compiler bug
2015-01-10 17:00 <pcercuei> :/
2015-01-10 17:01 <larsc> It always writes to JZ_REG_TIMER_ENABLE_CLEAR
2015-01-10 17:01 <larsc> if mode is != CLOCK_EVT_MODE_PERIODIC
2015-01-10 17:01 <larsc> it reads the current value from the register
2015-01-10 17:01 <larsc> and then writes it back
2015-01-10 17:01 <larsc> thing is the register is not readable
2015-01-10 17:01 <larsc> and reading it will return garbage
2015-01-10 17:02 <larsc> I guess it aliases with the WATCHDOG enable register
2015-01-10 17:02 <larsc> since the bug only happens when the watchdog is enabled
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2015-01-10 17:02 <larsc> so it reads back 1 and writes 1 to the register and hence disables the TCU0
2015-01-10 17:03 <larsc> screw you gcc!
2015-01-10 17:03 <wpwrak> seems that it's gcc who's doing the screwing this time :)
2015-01-10 17:03 <wpwrak> and not on itself :)
2015-01-10 17:05 <larsc> basically what the asm translates to is
2015-01-10 17:05 <larsc> val = readb(JZ_REG_TIMER_ENABLE_CLEAR); if (cd->mode == CLOCK_EVT_MODE_PERIODIC) val = 1; writeb(val, JZ_REG_TIMER_ENABLE_CLEAR);
2015-01-10 17:06 <mth> which version of GCC are you using?
2015-01-10 17:06 <larsc> '(OpenWrt/Linaro GCC 4.6-2012.12 r37492) 4.6.4'
2015-01-10 17:10 <mth> if you have a minimal test case, I can compile it on 4.9.1 to check whether the issue still exists
2015-01-10 17:11 <mth> actually 4.9.2 is out, but I haven't built that yet
2015-01-10 17:19 <larsc> http://pastebin.com/zH2enADr with -O2
2015-01-10 17:21 <mth> larsc: http://www.treewalker.org/temp/clockbug.s
2015-01-10 17:23 <larsc> your webserver does not respond
2015-01-10 17:24 <mth> fixed
2015-01-10 17:25 <larsc> looks better
2015-01-10 17:25 <larsc> no ldu
2015-01-10 17:27 <larsc> Guess it's time to update the toolchain
2015-01-10 17:34 <pcercuei> that explains why you had problems with the watchdog driver that we didn't have
2015-01-10 17:35 <larsc> yep
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2015-01-10 17:52 <larsc> 4.8 looks like it works
2015-01-10 17:54 <larsc> oh no, started make -j and forgot the number
2015-01-10 18:04 <pcercuei> :D
2015-01-10 18:05 <larsc> looks like it's not coming back to life
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2015-01-10 18:10 <wpwrak> victory ! low-cost solution: find a DVD-D cable to use my one spare DVI port instead of the failing VGA
2015-01-10 18:11 <larsc> DVD-D?
2015-01-10 18:11 <wpwrak> err, DVI-D
2015-01-10 18:11 <wpwrak> why can't they choose less freudian acronyms ?
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2015-01-10 18:43 <wpwrak> thanks to the internet of things, we'll soon be able to have this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJklHwoYgBQ
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2015-01-10 22:31 <DocScrutinizer05> pcercuei: ((neo-nazi demonstrations like in the east of Germany)) last PEGIDA in Dresden, iirc 16k. Today: 35k *against* PEGIDA
2015-01-10 22:42 <DocScrutinizer05> larsc: this doesn'T already spound like compiler bug. Rather I'd check my macros. They might implement bitset/bitclear on a register by readback of the register and (re)setting the bit in "Accumulator", then write back to register. That's how such stuff usually is implemented, either on opcode level or on macro level or on level of the uppermost sourcecode. And obviously that's BAD[TM] when the register is write-only
2015-01-10 22:42 <DocScrutinizer05> s/spou/sou/
2015-01-10 22:44 <DocScrutinizer05> you regularly need a shadow variable mirroring the content of w/o register, do all the bit-toggling on this variable, and after each change write the var to the register
2015-01-10 22:44 <eintopf> wpwrak: I already thought about connecting my toilet flush into the IPv6 world
2015-01-10 22:55 <DocScrutinizer05> larsc: even when the compiler uses a read-modify-write opcode for the write-only register (which obviously is illegal and an according note would show up in manual about that w/o register), it's not the compiler's fault. You need to tell the compiler about the very special case that this particular register is not readable. By whatever means, worst case by using inline assembler
2015-01-10 23:14 <eintopf> the use case would be: you sitting on the toilet (you know it will take longer) sometimes you need the toilet flush and turn around.
2015-01-10 23:14 <eintopf> With smartphone in your hand you can push a big button :)
2015-01-10 23:14 <eintopf> instead of turning around and search the flush key
2015-01-10 23:15 <eintopf> s/you need the toilet/you need to hit the toilet/
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