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2014-12-17 03:45 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: so ... has the rigol arrived and you're in no-sleep-until-2014 mode now ? or did you pass out waiting for oops ? :)
2014-12-17 03:45 <wpwrak> err .. until 2015
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2014-12-17 09:15 <DocScrutinizer05> it arrived at 18:00 and I gave it 50min test then had a nap
2014-12-17 09:48 <DocScrutinizer05> and earned a terrible headache, which I won't blame to UPS or Rigol but rather to weather
2014-12-17 09:49 <DocScrutinizer05> btw it just was o'scope and accessories (bnc-4mm adapters, Rigol-softbag), the DMM and related accessories completely postponed to week5/2015
2014-12-17 09:50 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe some poor chinese dude has to manually erase all the Agilent signs and replace them by Keysight
2014-12-17 09:50 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-P
2014-12-17 09:52 <DocScrutinizer05> >> U1173A  Adapter Infrarot zu USB  fürHandmultimeter U125x-Serie obsolete, ersetzt durch U1173B, abwärtskompatibel<< and the complete lack of any *1173* product on that shop website open up room for speculations
2014-12-17 09:55 <DocScrutinizer05> btw I actually started looking at desktop-DMM but they are waaaay more expensive, mostly thanks to starting at 5 digits
2014-12-17 09:55 <DocScrutinizer05> they are generally calibrated and that costs $$$
2014-12-17 09:58 <DocScrutinizer05> my operation mode in lab is based on a "nothing is calibrated, except my own logic which is 99.999999999% true" - so I really don't need expensive calibrated gear. I don't do certification stuff where I need to check operational limits
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2014-12-17 10:00 <DocScrutinizer05> worst case convenient "calibration" normals are available everywhere. 1V5 primary cell, 230V AC, etc
2014-12-17 10:02 <DocScrutinizer05> all my probing usually is a go/nogo type of data acquisition which often has 30%/70%/130% thresholds and for such even a 5% "accurate" DMM is absolutely fine
2014-12-17 10:13 <DocScrutinizer05> btw c't mag goes foolish: "Heft 2 (TWO!!!) 2015 erscheint ab 2014(!)-12-27 am Kiosk"
2014-12-17 10:14 <DocScrutinizer05> I wonder how long until I read issue 1/20XX in summer of 20$(( XX - 1 ))
2014-12-17 10:16 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.heise.de/ct/ausgabe/2015-1-Vorschau-2483922.html
2014-12-17 10:42 * DocScrutinizer05 watches Rigol 1054Z auto-calibrate, gripped
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2014-12-17 11:09 <DocScrutinizer05> some of them translations to english are a tad... unusual. using "printscreen" the scope shows a short remark "Disabled Some Operations!" ... OK. But after completing the save-to-USB process it shows a remark "Can Operate Now" which really puzzled me if this device is maybe from medical/surgery domain ;-)
2014-12-17 11:18 <DocScrutinizer05> "GetWay: 192.168.4.1"
2014-12-17 11:25 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2014/12/17/plasma-desktopz11330.png   :-))
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2014-12-17 11:56 <DocScrutinizer05> http://privatepaste.com/fa15e50ba6
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2014-12-17 12:58 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: Nuernberg is a big city. takes UPS guy all day to make his rounds ;-)
2014-12-17 12:59 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
2014-12-17 12:59 <DocScrutinizer05> HATE!!!! http://wstaw.org/m/2014/12/17/plasma-desktops11330.png
2014-12-17 13:00 <wpwrak> IRC port is open,. interesting. didn't think they knew their customers *that* well  :)
2014-12-17 13:01 <DocScrutinizer05> I wonder what EU is worth for when they can't even enforce astronomically high penalty tax on all products that do not support alternatives to redmond crap
2014-12-17 13:01 <wpwrak> (bench dmm) yeah, for me it's mainly to get more sensible current measurements and the convenience. i don't send my critters in for re-calibration.
2014-12-17 13:03 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2014/12/17/plasma-desktopz11330.png turns out to be absolutely useless since best you can do is configure the IP stack of the rigol. NOTHING else
2014-12-17 13:05 <ysionneau> that's not very funny ...
2014-12-17 13:05 <ysionneau> (rigole in french is laugh)
2014-12-17 13:06 <wpwrak> ysionneau: still better than the famous Toyota MR2 ;-)
2014-12-17 13:06 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.lxistandard.org/  feels like I'm in for another waste of time
2014-12-17 13:07 <ysionneau> wpwrak: mr2 -> shit ?
2014-12-17 13:07 <wpwrak> ysionneau: of course :)
2014-12-17 13:07 <ysionneau> yes nice as well
2014-12-17 13:07 <ysionneau> but less obvious than rigol
2014-12-17 13:07 <ysionneau> maybe depends on how you pronounce it :p
2014-12-17 13:07 <DocScrutinizer05> Pachero, or Pajero
2014-12-17 13:08 <DocScrutinizer05> akso Toyota?
2014-12-17 13:08 <DocScrutinizer05> also*
2014-12-17 13:08 <wpwrak> ysionneau: and then there's always the Mitsubishi Pajero ... that one doens't lack clarity :)
2014-12-17 13:08 <DocScrutinizer05> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_Pajero
2014-12-17 13:10 <ysionneau> ahah
2014-12-17 13:10 <DocScrutinizer05> https://translate.google.com/?hl=de#es/de/pajero  >>Definitionen von pajero  Adjektiv  [persona] Que se masturba con frecuencia.<<
2014-12-17 13:10 * ysionneau just discovered what Pajero means
2014-12-17 13:11 <ysionneau> I thought it meant "bird" but no :p
2014-12-17 13:11 <ysionneau> that's pajaro
2014-12-17 13:11 <pcercuei> parajo
2014-12-17 13:11 <pcercuei> yes
2014-12-17 13:12 <ysionneau> pcercuei: are you french?
2014-12-17 13:13 <pcercuei> yes
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2014-12-17 13:50 <larsc> wpwrak: or the Rolls-Royce Mist
2014-12-17 13:50 <viric> DocScrutinizer05: yes, that's why in Spain it's called Montero
2014-12-17 13:56 <DocScrutinizer05> hehe
2014-12-17 13:57 <DocScrutinizer05> only officially, my spanish friends told me. People still call it Pajero
2014-12-17 13:59 <DocScrutinizer05> now you see why Siemens pays signifacant fractions of a million for new product names. "Sony" been the result of iirc 12 months of worldwide studies and several millions spent on them. The name "Sonny" sounded weird in Korea or dunno where
2014-12-17 14:00 <DocScrutinizer05> that's why trademarks/names are high value assets for comapnies
2014-12-17 14:01 <DocScrutinizer05> though I guess Mitsubishi won't ask many $$ to sell "Pajero"  X-P
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2014-12-17 14:02 * DocScrutinizer05 glares at Rigol DS1054Z, wonders how to flash firmware and if that would reset the options (prolly not)
2014-12-17 14:04 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: so you "upgraded" it ?
2014-12-17 14:05 <DocScrutinizer05> pondering to do. But no upgrade without decent rollback strategy
2014-12-17 14:05 <wpwrak> larsc: brought to you by the truth in advertizing board ;-)
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2014-12-17 15:00 <larsc> what do you call a hypercube that is fully contained within another one with the same number of dimensions? sub-cube?
2014-12-17 15:01 <viric> inner hypercube
2014-12-17 15:02 <larsc> ok, thanks
2014-12-17 15:03 <wpwrak> larsc is gift-wrapping ;-)
2014-12-17 15:06 <larsc> in 7 dimensional shoe cartons ;)
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2014-12-17 15:12 <larsc> Actually I'm working on a bit of ALSA documentation
2014-12-17 15:14 <DocScrutinizer05> DUH!
2014-12-17 15:15 <DocScrutinizer05> ALSA and hypecibes?
2014-12-17 15:15 <DocScrutinizer05> hypercubes* dang!
2014-12-17 15:16 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders if larsc tries to describe the ALSA audiostack plugin concept
2014-12-17 15:17 <DocScrutinizer05> take care, "lower" layers of stack might as well have more 2dimensions" than upper ones of same stack
2014-12-17 15:17 <DocScrutinizer05> s/2/"/
2014-12-17 15:17 <qi-bot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: "take care, "lower" layers of stack might as well have more "dimensions" than upper ones of same stack"
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2014-12-17 15:23 <wpwrak> you can tell things are going well when a document begins with "for simplicity, we assume a galois field of hypercubes in N-space, with N >= 4, for which we define ..."
2014-12-17 15:30 <larsc> I see you did you research ;)
2014-12-17 15:30 <DocScrutinizer05> dang, I checked wikipedia galois field
2014-12-17 15:31 <whitequark> "the inherent amusement of the phrase simple complex Lie algrbra"
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