2014-11-11 00:11 arhuaco_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 00:57 nicksydney has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 00:58 nicksydney_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-11-11 01:01 nicksydney has quit [Read error: No route to host] 2014-11-11 01:02 nicksydney has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 01:12 tumdedum has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 2014-11-11 01:30 tumdedum has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 01:37 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 01:46 tumdedum has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2014-11-11 01:55 Ornotermes has quit [Ping timeout: 263 seconds] 2014-11-11 01:56 FDCX has quit [Ping timeout: 261 seconds] 2014-11-11 01:57 infobot has quit [Ping timeout: 257 seconds] 2014-11-11 01:58 Ornotermes has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 02:00 FDCX has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 02:06 tumdedum has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 02:10 dandon_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 02:11 atommann has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 02:12 dandon has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-11-11 02:12 dandon_ is now known as dandon 2014-11-11 02:13 haha, so, remember my faulty CNC thing? 2014-11-11 02:13 someone else also bought it without all the autotransformer fuss, and it blew in almost exactly same way 2014-11-11 02:13 http://orionrobots.github.io/CnCNotes/2014/04/13/diagnosing-the-cause.html 2014-11-11 02:13 fet instead of 555 died 2014-11-11 02:13 so it's not me, it's the chinese 2014-11-11 02:20 infobot has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 02:20 sure, what else :) 2014-11-11 03:16 rejon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-11-11 03:52 arhuaco_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-11-11 04:05 rejon has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 04:29 tumdedum has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-11-11 04:30 tumdedum has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 04:47 arhuaco has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 05:01 whitequark: you could start a CNC preemptive repair service :) team up with an importer and reseller, then fix the critters before selling them 2014-11-11 05:10 mmm 2014-11-11 05:10 i'm not sure it's worth the hassle 2014-11-11 05:22 you mean that most of the critters don't fail ? or that people wouldn't pay for a - probably still comparably cheap - device that doesn't go up in flames ? 2014-11-11 05:23 i mean it's a lot of work 2014-11-11 05:24 logistics, agreements with suppliers, marketing... 2014-11-11 05:28 maybe look if there's any large reseller in .eu, then contact them to see if they think that's a problem they'd like to have solved 2014-11-11 05:30 I think there aren't any resellers, they just ship directly from China 2014-11-11 05:30 why let someone else take a cut if you can sell it directly on ebay? 2014-11-11 05:31 hm, there are some resellers, it seems 2014-11-11 05:32 holy fuck 2014-11-11 05:32 a russian reseller sells it for over 5x the price i bought it at 2014-11-11 05:36 does that smell like opportunity ? :) 2014-11-11 05:38 hmm 2014-11-11 05:39 well, it does 2014-11-11 05:39 toolmaking is a pretty high-margin field in general 2014-11-11 05:59 take cheap but dodgy china stuff, add indestructible russian engineering, own the world :) 2014-11-11 06:04 o! http://www.ebay.com/itm/271304987728 2014-11-11 06:05 they're enormous though, with OD=0.9 2014-11-11 06:06 http://www.ebay.com/itm/271138757893 these are with OD=0.6 2014-11-11 06:06 pretty interesting actually 2014-11-11 06:21 cheaper here: http://www.rembrandtlights.com/shop/re-1050 2014-11-11 06:22 it's exactly same company 2014-11-11 06:22 they even link from ebay footer 2014-11-11 06:22 yup. that's what's funny about it, isn't it ? :) 2014-11-11 06:22 I guess 2014-11-11 06:23 well, that's the first 6% discount. for the remaining 89% you have to find their chinese fab ;-) 2014-11-11 06:24 http://www.aliexpress.com/item/100pcs-PCB-Brass-Rivets-Electronic-Prototype-0-9-mm-x-3-0-mm-Free-shipping/2052610864.html 2014-11-11 06:24 100pcs for $4.5 2014-11-11 06:24 alas, only a single length. so it's not so nice for 0.8 mm boards 2014-11-11 06:24 now we're talking :) 2014-11-11 06:25 wow, 1000 for $10 2014-11-11 06:25 these things really aren't expensive to produce, are they 2014-11-11 06:25 it's basically packaging cost 2014-11-11 06:26 and margin :) 2014-11-11 06:26 you'd need a microscope to see that margin 2014-11-11 06:27 not if you sell at 10 cents per unit :) 2014-11-11 06:28 hehe 2014-11-11 06:34 hmm, aliexpress doesn't seem to have stuff < 0.9 mm, which probably is the shaft diameter 2014-11-11 06:36 yeah, it's ID 2014-11-11 06:38 hmm, or just use nails: http://www.mill-max.com/assets/pdfs/204.pdf 2014-11-11 06:39 of course, mill-max are triple-plus $$$ 2014-11-11 06:40 huuuh 2014-11-11 06:40 do you solder these, or smash? 2014-11-11 06:41 i'd solder them. but feel free to smash ;-) 2014-11-11 06:55 DocScrutinizer05 has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-11-11 06:55 DocScrutinizer05 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 08:00 _whitelogger has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 08:05 FDCX has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 08:12 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 08:58 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 10:24 atommann has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-11-11 10:30 astr has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-11-11 10:42 astr has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 14:01 FDCX has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2014-11-11 14:02 jluis has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2014-11-11 14:03 jluis has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 14:04 FDCX has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 14:06 atommann has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 14:47 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 15:04 atommann has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-11-11 15:10 xiangfu has quit [Quit: leaving] 2014-11-11 15:22 unclouded has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-11-11 15:46 mooseboobs has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 15:49 Anyone know where I could find an example pcb layout for a smartphone (preferably with a MTK chipset) ? 2014-11-11 16:06 unclouded has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 16:12 viric has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-11-11 16:12 viric has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 16:20 smashing rivets into PCB is a nasty thing and tends to not yield good results 2014-11-11 16:21 may sound weird but the FR4/whatever is too brittle and neither elastic nor strong enough 2014-11-11 16:22 and you generally damage copper plating in 75% of cases 2014-11-11 16:23 you'll end up with rivets that are loose and don't have contact despite looking perfect 2014-11-11 16:24 depending on your tools to smash the rivets, you even may deform the PCB so it is a 1.2mm at and around the rivet when it originally been 0.8mm 2014-11-11 16:26 some methods to smash rivets make the rivet create enormous forces radially to rivet's cylinder 2014-11-11 16:38 unclouded has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-11-11 16:39 unclouded has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 16:59 so, better to use nails, and no hammer 2014-11-11 17:03 mooseboobs has quit [] 2014-11-11 17:08 mooseboobs has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 17:23 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2014-11-11 17:32 mooseboobs_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 17:32 mooseboobs_ has quit [Client Quit] 2014-11-11 17:36 mooseboobs has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2014-11-11 18:35 astr has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-11-11 18:48 astr has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 19:03 viric has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-11-11 19:11 viric has joined #qi-hardware 2014-11-11 19:14 Hi larsc 2014-11-11 19:14 are you there ? 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