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2014-10-02 03:08 <kristianpaul> viric: here we go again with delibertated atemps..
2014-10-02 03:09 <kristianpaul> attemps*
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2014-10-02 06:43 <viric> wpwrak: it's not in the catalan agenda. I don't know about the spanish
2014-10-02 06:44 <viric> wpwrak: yesterday they started to send spanish police to Catalonia
2014-10-02 06:48 <viric> kristianpaul: the changes weren't agreed with the american associated academies
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2014-10-02 08:52 <sb0> and I thought UML was bad... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantics_of_Business_Vocabulary_and_Business_Rules
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2014-10-02 09:12 <whitequark> sb0: for a less horrifying sight, take a look at http://www.lexifi.com/product/technology/contract-description-language
2014-10-02 09:14 <sb0> UML, SBVR, and other horrid things like CORBA and "Knowledge Discovery Metamodel" were all produced by the same group. wow.
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2014-10-02 09:55 <kyak> viric: you'd better be prepared. Western media already belittle catalan movement. The Hongkong revolution gets more coverage, being another american reckless scheme
2014-10-02 09:55 <viric> kyak: I don't doubt about that
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2014-10-02 11:33 <wpwrak> viric: well, at least the central government is firmly on the side of the separatists. at least i couldn't think of anything more they could do to convince people to want independence.
2014-10-02 11:33 <wpwrak> sb0: (same group) the poettering clan ? :)
2014-10-02 11:34 <wpwrak> (SBVR) nice. they found new ways to hide the MUST, SHALL, SHOULD, etc., of RFC2119 :)
2014-10-02 11:35 <wpwrak> good job. while people often get confused about SHALL, they get most of the rest. time to fight that excess of clarity.
2014-10-02 11:38 <larsc> the OMG standards group
2014-10-02 11:38 <wpwrak> kyak: freedom is oppression, love is war, democracy is infighting. same old agenda.
2014-10-02 11:38 <larsc> quite a fitting name
2014-10-02 11:38 <whitequark> larsc: it predates the OMG abbreviation by a decade
2014-10-02 11:38 <whitequark> and yes I did specifically research that topic. why do you ask
2014-10-02 12:01 <sb0> kyak, how exactly is that american?
2014-10-02 12:06 <kyak> sb0: http://revolution-news.com/occupy-central-us-state-dept-funding-of-hong-kong-pro-democracy-movement/
2014-10-02 12:07 <kyak> you can start reading from "Follow the Money" paragraph
2014-10-02 12:08 <kyak> wpwrak: you are a poet :)
2014-10-02 12:39 <wpwrak> ;-)
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2014-10-02 12:48 <viric> wpwrak: here there was a joke of a scottish and a catalan drunk in a bar, lamenting, after scottish elections. The Catalan says: "oh, if we had had a President like Cameron, we would be able to vote". And the Scott says: "oh, if we had had a PM like Rajoy, we would have won".
2014-10-02 12:53 <wpwrak> very much to the point :)
2014-10-02 12:54 <viric> of course we have lots of humour about this
2014-10-02 12:54 <viric> another one shows Franco: "A referendum? That'd be democratic!" and Rajoy: "A referendum? That would be antidemocratic!"
2014-10-02 12:54 <sb0> https://twitter.com/paulmozur/status/517171010190057473/photo/1
2014-10-02 12:56 <viric> I'm not following at all the hong kong thing
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2014-10-02 12:57 <kyak> sb0: this picture misses Kosovo, Yugoslavia, Georgia, Ukraine...
2014-10-02 12:57 <ysionneau> the doors are just out of the frame
2014-10-02 12:57 <wpwrak> sb0: very good :)
2014-10-02 12:57 <kyak> right :)
2014-10-02 12:59 <viric> But one of the big newspapers talked about "pro-democracy hongkong demonstrations" and the next day, talked about the "catalan secessionist ramblers", both taking about demonstrations on street.
2014-10-02 13:01 <wpwrak> ..., freedom fighters are terrorists, democratic demonstrations are acts of secessionist vandalism, ...
2014-10-02 13:01 <wpwrak> the list goes on and on
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2014-10-02 13:03 <viric> yes, nothing new
2014-10-02 13:34 <wpwrak> hmm. i just de-secured one of my kltabs :)
2014-10-02 13:34 <wpwrak> also did it yesterday, dunno how. plugged in, launched the erase sequence, and it worked.
2014-10-02 13:35 <wpwrak> naturally, a 2nd, 3rd, ... attempt did nothing. repeatable experiments are for sissies.
2014-10-02 13:36 <wpwrak> i let it then run during the night, attempting more erasing. some 22k attempts later, it seems likely that it may not the sort of thing that just randomly succeeds, all other things being equal
2014-10-02 13:37 <wpwrak> encouraged by this stray success, i went to experiment a bit more with the reset sequence. seems that i finally may have found something ;)
2014-10-02 13:37 <wpwrak> let's see if it's reproducible ...
2014-10-02 13:40 <wpwrak> yup :)
2014-10-02 13:41 <wpwrak> man. that's something like two weeks of pitched battle.
2014-10-02 13:43 <wpwrak> now let's see how much of the voodoo programming there is really needed ...
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2014-10-02 15:18 <viric> wpwrak: kristianpaul: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOIV_Ba9Iig
2014-10-02 15:21 <viric> we make quite fun of those things :)
2014-10-02 15:23 <wpwrak> hmm, is this ironic or genuinely supportive ? it seems to be the latter, but maybe i'm missing some context ?
2014-10-02 15:24 <viric> I think it's supportive :)
2014-10-02 15:24 <viric> that makes it more laughful
2014-10-02 15:24 <wpwrak> (-:C
2014-10-02 15:25 <wpwrak> i guess it's easier to like the nastier leaders if you're at a safe distance :)
2014-10-02 15:32 <wpwrak> of course, if the mass-erase sequence that works great on kltab also worked on anelok #2, that would be too much luck for one day :-(
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2014-10-02 16:25 <sb0> kyak, more tinfoil hat stuff: http://www.sott.net/article/286599
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2014-10-02 20:25 <viric> wpwrak: "Cara al sol", the spanish fascist hymn. 17th in most sold of Google Play Spain.
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2014-10-02 22:10 <wpwrak> viric: not good enough. it's one people, one realm, one hymn !
2014-10-02 22:16 <viric> a few days ago it was 18th :)
2014-10-02 22:19 <wpwrak> we're getting there. time to get ready to warm up franco's cryo chamber :)
2014-10-02 22:21 <viric> There is a nice film about the resurrection
2014-10-02 22:22 <viric> from the 80s
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