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2014-09-27 15:48 <DocScrutinizer05> picking up a topic about nanny-state we had quite some time ago:  some idiots want to outlaw sale of Christmas cookies etc during arbitrary times in year - rationale: it's too early to sell that stuff now, they feel it spoils their appetite for those cookies (ow maybe they feel pissed that they might want to eat some right away and get fat before even advent started)
2014-09-27 15:49 <DocScrutinizer05> #s/(ow/(or /
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2014-09-27 15:51 <whitequark> pfff, such laws are great, though for a strange purpose
2014-09-27 15:51 <whitequark> they serve to verify whether your government has any sense left in it, or should be shot^Wdisbanded right now
2014-09-27 15:52 <DocScrutinizer05> "right
2014-09-27 15:53 <DocScrutinizer05> however it's the people at large who got a pile of poo where some gray mater is supposed to work for creating a minimum of common sense
2014-09-27 15:53 <whitequark> I mean, there isn't really any harm to allowing weirdos to propose idiotic laws, given your process actually works
2014-09-27 15:53 <viric> I don't know if here there are such laws
2014-09-27 15:53 <viric> but there are some products bound to a certain time of the year that can be bought only around it
2014-09-27 15:53 <DocScrutinizer05> here there are not - yet?
2014-09-27 15:53 <viric> I think it makes people enjoy them more, once they are available :)
2014-09-27 15:55 <DocScrutinizer05> Lemme propose to outlaw uttering such bullshit suggestions like forbidding cookies. Everybody violating this rule shall get imprisoned for lifetime or treated with massive EST
2014-09-27 15:56 <DocScrutinizer05> (if you missed it: this suggestion is of basically same class like the cookie-law)
2014-09-27 15:57 <DocScrutinizer05> criminalize behavior that doesn't do *any* harm to anybody, but isn't considered "right" by some, for the weirdest reasons
2014-09-27 15:59 <whitequark> but think of the children! their morals will get corrupted
2014-09-27 16:00 <whitequark> this will irreparably harm traditional values in our society.
2014-09-27 16:02 <DocScrutinizer05> and the main problem in this frequently isn't "the state" which usually says "can't get done, we have a constitution that forbids" (though sometimes they fail and fall for opportunism) but the fraction of people which thinks such utterly anti-democratic and anti-libertarian mindset was "healthy" and they were better than others thanks to cultivating such mindset
2014-09-27 16:04 <DocScrutinizer05> next logic request: "send them to the gas when they don't behave like we appreciate!"
2014-09-27 16:06 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: heard of what happened in australia?
2014-09-27 16:07 <DocScrutinizer05> but hey, ISIS builds a whole revolution and caliphate on it, right? So it seems it's a relatively widespread stencil for human concept of society
2014-09-27 16:07 <DocScrutinizer05> whitequark: nope
2014-09-27 16:07 <whitequark> ASIO (their equivalent of NSA) now has power to do literally anything on any computer within australia if they say this is a part of "special operations"
2014-09-27 16:08 <whitequark> also, they have the authority to throw you in the jail if you complain
2014-09-27 16:08 <DocScrutinizer05> great¡
2014-09-27 16:08 <DocScrutinizer05> almost like in USA or Russia
2014-09-27 16:08 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-P
2014-09-27 16:08 <whitequark> it's worse
2014-09-27 16:08 <DocScrutinizer05> not really. Maybe formally
2014-09-27 16:09 <DocScrutinizer05> it's "worse" since they are more honest
2014-09-27 16:09 <whitequark> let's see how many journalists and independent bloggers will get jailed over that in following weeks
2014-09-27 16:10 <DocScrutinizer05> AU does it by publicly saying they may. Russia and USA they do and don't talk about it
2014-09-27 16:11 <whitequark> there are several important differences but it's pointless to discuss this. if I'm right, you'll just see it by yourself
2014-09-27 16:11 <DocScrutinizer05> hehe, yep. sure
2014-09-27 16:12 <DocScrutinizer05> the differences are quite interesting but the end result is always the same, it seems
2014-09-27 16:15 <DocScrutinizer05> in Russia they imprison you for snorting while walking by a Putin portrait at the wall, back 32. of February 2009, or some group of (according to all investigations) really bad people who are not related in any way to authorities shoot journalists down.
2014-09-27 16:16 <wpwrak> whitequark: you forgot that it also puts the cultural heritage at risk
2014-09-27 16:16 <DocScrutinizer05> In USA they tell you "we are the authority, but we would have to kill you if we would tell you which authority exactly" then threy hand you the ticket to gitmo
2014-09-27 16:16 <wpwrak> (about the cookies)
2014-09-27 16:17 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: what I expect is that ASIO will make that widespread and it will be a global chilling effect over the whole country
2014-09-27 16:17 <DocScrutinizer05> quite possible
2014-09-27 16:17 <whitequark> there are millions of people complaining about NSA today and that didn't really do anything to them
2014-09-27 16:17 <whitequark> gitmo or similar measures are really extreme
2014-09-27 16:18 <DocScrutinizer05> not arguing that tehere are quantitative differences
2014-09-27 16:18 <whitequark> for Assange, maybe, but not for your average Joe
2014-09-27 16:18 <whitequark> although maybe the fallout from this will serve as a warning to others :}
2014-09-27 16:24 <DocScrutinizer05> (gitmo extreme) yiu for sure heard about those dudes (CIA?) kidnapped target subjects all over the world, e.g. in Italy, Germany(?), wherever they like, and gave them a flight not straight to gitmo but to some torture dungeon in some Romania(?) or elsewhere prison, where those guys got "interrogated" before they finally got killed or shipped to gitmo or simply dropped off the car (or airplane) wherever convenient for the TLA in duty
2014-09-27 16:25 <whitequark> yes, I'm aware
2014-09-27 16:28 <DocScrutinizer05> re AU aiui the outlawing criticism is only for those who actually suffered that treatment, not for general protest against the regulation and procedure at large, by general public
2014-09-27 16:28 <whitequark> hmmm
2014-09-27 16:29 <whitequark> that's still extremely broad and easy to abuse, however the particulars of how it's enforced will certainly change
2014-09-27 16:29 <whitequark> we know NSA routinely scans and infects 0.0.0.0/0, for example, does that count as "being target of special operation" for ASIO?
2014-09-27 16:30 <DocScrutinizer05> we basically have very similar regulations here, just a question how to interprete them
2014-09-27 16:33 <DocScrutinizer05> here Verfassungsschutz and police need a paper signed by judge to do any "online search of computer" (euphemism for injecting a virus and rooting your PC), however they are free to define who's involved/relevant into that criminal activity they like to investigate. May be you and your family, your friends, all your neigbors, or maybe even whole villages or towns
2014-09-27 16:35 <DocScrutinizer05> and anybody doing the Sowden on such mission of authority will not feel treated much different than Snowden actually does
2014-09-27 16:36 <whitequark> well, Snowden is not applicable in your case, because you already know that such activity exists
2014-09-27 16:37 <whitequark> and Snowden was a whistleblower who exposed a *secret* operation like that to public
2014-09-27 16:37 <whitequark> anyway, there should be some clause limiting the scope of search
2014-09-27 16:37 <DocScrutinizer05> not that anybody really had the slightest doubt about it being the case already, pre snowden
2014-09-27 16:38 <whitequark> of course not, the public treated people saying that "NSA spies on everyone" as crackpots
2014-09-27 16:39 <whitequark> tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists right there with mind control waves and HAARP
2014-09-27 16:39 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, and in 5 years 78% of Americans are recalling Snowden as "the sucker who spread lies about our law enforcement"
2014-09-27 16:40 <whitequark> that's a different problem
2014-09-27 16:41 <DocScrutinizer05> granted, AU gvmt is a special one of a kind
2014-09-27 16:41 <DocScrutinizer05> and every aussie I talked with so far was quite agreeing on that POV
2014-09-27 16:42 <whitequark> they fucked up last election in a major way
2014-09-27 16:46 <DocScrutinizer05> a slightly different topic: a few weeks ago German/western News reported about *huuge* anti-(ukrainian-)war demonstration in Moscow. How much of that been actually true? And did you participate?
2014-09-27 16:49 <DocScrutinizer05> I didn't even bother to search for any nonsense in Russian News about it. Thus I can't have a somewhat unbiased idea of what really happened
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2014-09-27 16:50 <DocScrutinizer05> so you are my most honest source for info about what really happened
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2014-09-27 17:05 <whitequark> no, I did not participate
2014-09-27 17:05 <whitequark> indy observers say ~50k, organizers say ~100k, police says ~5k
2014-09-27 17:06 <DocScrutinizer05> so it been between 20 and 60k, quite impressive
2014-09-27 17:06 <whitequark> yes
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2014-09-27 17:14 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, completely "unrelated": wearing a helmet, while beng discussed to become mandatory even for bicycles, on demonstrations is "passive weapon" and outlawed.
2014-09-27 17:14 <DocScrutinizer05> being*
2014-09-27 17:15 <DocScrutinizer05> and of course "...for riding bicycles..."
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2014-09-27 21:21 <DocScrutinizer05> dang "anonymized" chanlogs! could somebody with full join/part/nick logs please post the last DocAvalanche *join* event to me? either pastebin or private query
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2014-09-27 21:35 <DocScrutinizer05> ta!
2014-09-27 21:36 <DocScrutinizer05> env x='() { :;}; echo vulnerable :-/' bash -c "echo this is a test ;-) "
2014-09-27 21:36 <DocScrutinizer05> had to boot a box
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2014-09-27 21:38 <DocScrutinizer05> you gotta love the creative naming, no? first "heartbleed", now "shellshock"
2014-09-27 21:39 <whitequark> this is kind of a ridiculous trend
2014-09-27 21:39 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
2014-09-27 21:40 <viric> how much you love to rant :D
2014-09-27 21:41 <DocScrutinizer05> however, "I love you" wasn't any better, you need a name anyway, and CVE-2014-7169/CVE-2014-6271 no fool could memorize a 10 minutes
2014-09-27 21:43 <viric> much better
2014-09-27 21:43 <DocScrutinizer05> at SIEMENS for example they occasionally spend literally millions to come up with "awesome" names like SiePass
2014-09-27 21:45 * DocScrutinizer05 opts for naming vulns after the one who discovered it, like "Chazelas-14-2"
2014-09-27 21:46 <DocScrutinizer05> like "Alzheimer" ;-)
2014-09-27 21:48 <DocScrutinizer05> http://213.5.67.223/jurat  o.O
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