2014-09-06 01:33 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-06 01:46 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2014-09-06 01:59 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-06 02:12 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2014-09-06 05:22 DocScrutinizer05: it wasn't in news, it's a documentary film about World War I. Of course, every documentary is also a complex research project, so it's error-prone. The creators already acknowledged this mistake and apologized for it (it will be corrected). 2014-09-06 05:22 meanwhile, have a look at this: http://topwar.ru/55467-kadry-iz-kompyuternoy-igry-ukrainskie-smi-vydali-za-dokazatelstvo-obstrela-ih-territorii-rossiyskimi-voennymi.html 2014-09-06 05:23 this was in news, and even after the source of images (computer game) was revealed, there were no apologies or refutation 2014-09-06 05:23 kyak: thanks for clarification 2014-09-06 05:26 kyak: "those guys do bad things do, therefore the bad things we do aren't as bad" 2014-09-06 05:26 gtfo with this "logic". 2014-09-06 05:30 convenient since 1000s of years ;-) 2014-09-06 05:34 i'm trying to filter information, because it is distorted from "those" guys as well as from "these" guys 2014-09-06 05:35 in these days, we can't just take any news for granted 2014-09-06 05:35 propaganda in usa and eu is as bad as in russia 2014-09-06 05:36 but it's not a justification for any of the sides, of course 2014-09-06 05:36 The Onion is the only english news source worth reading 2014-09-06 05:36 for real 2014-09-06 05:36 www.theonion.com ? 2014-09-06 05:36 yes 2014-09-06 05:36 i'll try following them for a while, let's see :) 2014-09-06 05:40 whitequark: they seems to cover internal affairs mostly, so it's not hard to be unbiassed 2014-09-06 05:40 many NFL news, what propaganda could go there? :) 2014-09-06 05:44 hey, they have international stories as well 2014-09-06 05:44 http://www.theonion.com/articles/understanding-the-israelipalestinian-conflict,36469/ 2014-09-06 05:46 the first sentence of this article: http://www.theonion.com/articles/who-is-vladimir-putin,36515/ basically summarizes all the western propaganda 2014-09-06 05:47 yes, it says "allegedly" and "believed to" 2014-09-06 05:47 but does it matter for a reader? 2014-09-06 05:48 is that the only thing you find odd in that article? 2014-09-06 05:49 the article operates the facts (kind of wikipedia style), that's odd 2014-09-06 05:49 mixing those facts with "funny" facts 2014-09-06 05:49 maybe trying to make those "funny" facts more credible 2014-09-06 05:50 ok, i'm out 2014-09-06 05:52 ... more credible? 2014-09-06 05:53 I think mainstream news has become so poor that fake news doesn't stand out anymore... 2014-09-06 05:54 ohmy 2014-09-06 06:01 other topic: the sentence >> The actual X is the lower value *between* A and B << sounds odd. Is that just me or the writer of this sentence using poor english? 2014-09-06 06:01 poor english 2014-09-06 06:02 The actual X is the lower of the two values A and B 2014-09-06 06:02 better said as "X is the lesser of A and B" 2014-09-06 06:02 or what you said 2014-09-06 06:07 "the minimum of A and B" would be another option 2014-09-06 06:58 sb0 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-06 06:59 sb0 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-09-06 07:04 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-06 07:16 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2014-09-06 07:20 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-06 07:37 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2014-09-06 07:47 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2014-09-06 07:52 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-06 08:07 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2014-09-06 08:47 xiangfu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-06 09:17 kyak: the thing is that theonion is a sarcastic site making fun of news and journalism. nothing they report is supposed to be serious. the problem in this case is that - as mth remarked - exaggeration doesn't work as a mechanism for marking parody. 2014-09-06 09:18 they had also make an movie about theonion news :-) 2014-09-06 09:18 oh :) 2014-09-06 09:18 i still maintain that theonion is the only thing worth reading. 2014-09-06 09:19 whitequark: i kinda like telepolis, of heise.de 2014-09-06 09:19 for germany (postillion) is better http://www.der-postillon.com/ 2014-09-06 09:19 whitequark: sometimes has a strong ideological slant, but at least they're pretty distant from "mainstream" media. i.e., tranquilizers for the uneducated masses 2014-09-06 09:20 yeah, they're good :) 2014-09-06 09:21 hahaha http://www.der-postillon.com/2014/09/nato-chef-rasmussen-verscharft-ton.html 2014-09-06 09:23 on the issue of ukraine: http://www.der-postillon.com/2014/08/putin-schickt-armee-in-ostukraine-um.html 2014-09-06 09:24 ironically, that's not all that different from the reasoning we've heard for some of the little adventures the US chose to undertake 2014-09-06 09:26 that was funny, too. 2014-09-06 09:26 http://www.stern.de/digital/online/panne-bei-n24-star-trek-truppen-toeten-bin-laden-1683269.html 2014-09-06 09:27 wpwrak: that's not ... actually parody 2014-09-06 09:27 because the official motivation sounds even more absurd 2014-09-06 09:27 soldiers doing vacations ? yeah ;-) 2014-09-06 09:28 oh, that one's new 2014-09-06 09:28 of course the other side does pretty similar things. may actually have started it for all i know 2014-09-06 09:28 other side doesn't just randomly annex territory whenever it wants 2014-09-06 09:28 aren't there "unofficial" forces from poland, the US, and some 3rd country in ukraine now ? 2014-09-06 09:29 hm, no clue, but hopefully yes 2014-09-06 09:32 here's a lovely picture: http://caricatura.ru/daily/podvitski/pic/765.jpg 2014-09-06 09:35 nicksydney has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-06 09:37 nicksydney has joined #qi-hardware 2014-09-06 11:25 apelete: did you have 3.16 running on the nanonote? 2014-09-06 12:03 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2014-09-06 12:25 xiangfu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-09-06 12:44 porchaso0 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-09-06 12:46 porchao has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-09-06 13:43 wej has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-09-06 13:44 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2014-09-06 13:56 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-06 14:03 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2014-09-06 14:19 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-06 14:21 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2014-09-06 14:31 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-09-06 14:41 larsc: yes, I tested the last patches I sent upstream on 3.16-rcX 2014-09-06 14:42 larsc: didn't publish a proprer jz-3.16 branch for the nanonote though, would you like me to do so ? 2014-09-06 14:43 if you have it 2014-09-06 14:51 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2014-09-06 16:54 (( hm, no clue, but hopefully yes)) alas for all I can tell from filtering the few little common parts out of the noise, there are not 2014-09-06 16:54 DocScrutinizer05: interesting article, semi-relevant: http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/141946/alexander-j-motyl/putins-trap 2014-09-06 16:56 (where I don't give any credibility to the usual Saddam/Gaddafi babbling of "forgein forces pay them for demontrating and give them extasy pills") 2014-09-06 16:57 ounds more like a thing Russia might occasionally do 2014-09-06 16:57 well, that did happen in the past 2014-09-06 16:57 but it doesn't really give any credibility to the claims 2014-09-06 16:58 I haven't heard of busses transporting randomly picked passengers to demos "in the name of western forces" 2014-09-06 16:58 oh, demonstrating, I misread 2014-09-06 16:58 that I haven't heard of, too 2014-09-06 16:58 if there were, some eastern news had reported about it 2014-09-06 16:59 we however seen that happen for pro-russian demonstrators 2014-09-06 17:00 yeah, it's a well-known strategy. happens for elections regularly, too 2014-09-06 17:00 unclear if they received money for it 2014-09-06 17:00 they di 2014-09-06 17:00 did* 2014-09-06 17:00 though the amounts are laughable 2014-09-06 17:02 well, here idiot pensioners even pay for getting transported whole day to a sales event where they can buy snake oil for €€€€ 2014-09-06 17:02 goog kaffeefahrt 2014-09-06 17:02 google* 2014-09-06 17:02 that's not unique to DE :p 2014-09-06 17:03 selling snake oil to pensioners is an amusement widespread worldwide 2014-09-06 17:54 whitequark: what's actually the general opinion of putin in russia ? he does seem to have established control over the mafia that had taken over after the fall of communism, doesn't he ? 2014-09-06 17:55 wpwrak: widespread support, especially after annexion of crimea 2014-09-06 17:55 >80% 2014-09-06 17:55 so much about "and Russia tires of Putinism’s misdeeds," :) 2014-09-06 17:55 which is why I say, the whole damn place just needs to be burned down 2014-09-06 17:56 well, this sort of things tend to excite people. nothing new about it. if the populace doubts you, start a war. 2014-09-06 17:56 sure 2014-09-06 17:56 but there hasn't even been a single protest against the war 2014-09-06 17:56 but apart from ukraine, what do people think of putin's cleanup inside the country ? do they recognize it as such ? 2014-09-06 17:57 and in the west, there were pretty big ones against iraq and so. not that it changed much, but still 2014-09-06 17:57 different cultures ... 2014-09-06 17:57 well, the country is in some order. it's better than India or, apparently, Argentina 2014-09-06 17:57 the west has lived with democracy long enough that the governments know they don't have to fear it :) 2014-09-06 17:58 I wouldn't dare to guess how much of a Putin's accomplishment is that 2014-09-06 17:58 it is also true that Putin's rule mostly coincided with a marked increase in the standard of life 2014-09-06 17:59 that helps, of course 2014-09-06 17:59 because of oil prices, of course. but again, it's not causation 2014-09-06 17:59 most people don't analyze it to that level, of course 2014-09-06 18:00 were people frustrated with the disorder before putin came to power ? 2014-09-06 18:00 yes 2014-09-06 18:01 I mean, there was rampant mafia, and then there was the default of 1998 2014-09-06 18:04 so putin did good, or is at least perceived as having done so 2014-09-06 18:04 (perceived by his country's population) 2014-09-06 18:04 pretty much the only part of society dissatisfied with putin are young urban professionals. 2014-09-06 18:05 everyone else is 1) trained to accept whatever rule is in order, or 2) happy with however little they got, or 3) happy with said increase in living standard, or 4) just don't give a fuck 2014-09-06 18:08 what bothers the young urban professionals most ? the more restrictive laws ? increased customs restrictions ? 2014-09-06 18:08 and well, 3) is a pretty strong argument :) 2014-09-06 18:09 http://boycottsystemd.org/ 2014-09-06 18:09 the internet censorship, the customs restrictions, complete lack of due process, nearly complete corruption in all parts of government, the fact that if you go to a protest you will be randomly beaten, jailed and chances are imprisoned, 2014-09-06 18:10 the increasing role of church in politics (which is just another corrupt branch of government, if you look at it right now), 2014-09-06 18:10 complete lack of investment in non-extractive industries, 2014-09-06 18:10 ah, church seizing its opportunity after communism. interesting :) 2014-09-06 18:11 the fact that the country is led by a nepotic asshole with imperialist tendencies, at last. 2014-09-06 18:11 I could go on 2014-09-06 18:11 did you ever participate in any protest ? 2014-09-06 18:11 haven't got a chance 2014-09-06 18:11 lack of due process is with regard to specific issues or general ? 2014-09-06 18:11 both 2014-09-06 18:12 I mean, the case against Navalny (regardless of his virtues in general) is fabricated. specifically. 2014-09-06 18:12 the government accuses him of fraud. the company that he supposedly defrauded repeatedly makes public and official statements, including in writing by CEO, that they are completely satisfied with Navalny's job 2014-09-06 18:13 the government continues accusing him of fraud, now inventing claims so bogus you can hardly believe your eyes, 2014-09-06 18:13 this is typical. 2014-09-06 18:13 and in general? look at statistics. over 99% of cases are resolved as "guilty". 2014-09-06 18:13 (against private persons, at least) 2014-09-06 18:14 this is a well-known and studied phenomenon that basically means that courts are broken. 2014-09-06 18:15 is that a legacy from the communist era or something he re-introduced ? 2014-09-06 18:16 I have no idea at all how law worked in USSR, so can't answer. 2014-09-06 18:16 I'm fairly sure it isn't new, just because such things are systemic failures and aren't introduced (or disappear) quickly 2014-09-06 18:17 DocScrutinizer05: btw, here is an interesting article that argues the pro-putin side: http://www.heise.de/tp/artikel/42/42539/1.html 2014-09-06 18:21 whitequark: so the complaint in the area of justice is basically that he hasn't done enough (and/or may not be interested in doing something), to bring russia to a western level ? 2014-09-06 18:22 that's a good description of it. 2014-09-06 18:22 and, from the young urban professionals, that he basically ignores them and their economic potential 2014-09-06 18:22 from what I understand, the current top positions in government are occupied by Putin himself and his KGB friends 2014-09-06 18:22 there was a great infographic recently, it's astonishing how pervasive the nepotism is 2014-09-06 18:23 in early 2000s there were quite some changes to the better, RU actually seemed like it had some kind of bright future 2014-09-06 18:23 you should see what we have in argentina :) there's a whole factory of government goons. they have their people everywhere now. i guess it'll be fun to watch the great purge 2016 and onward 2014-09-06 18:23 could also see this by watching the sentiment (and investor money) from the west 2014-09-06 18:24 but now it's all completely reversed 2014-09-06 18:25 so economic policies. yes, these things only bother the "little people" when then actually result in problems for them. 2014-09-06 18:26 well, it's not just economy, but you aren't far off 2014-09-06 18:26 when you place bread on table, you can be quite an asshole and still people would vote for you 2014-09-06 18:27 especially if not so long ago there wasn't any bread. 2014-09-06 18:27 people also tend to accept some measure of other decisions they may not entirely like 2014-09-06 18:27 how's the perception of the terrorism threat ? did people get worked up about it ? after all, it reached even moscow. and how do they feel about it now ? 2014-09-06 18:28 very little 2014-09-06 18:28 from your description, it seems that putin's principal failing is that you don't like him ;-) 2014-09-06 18:28 there was some worry in early 2000s, but nowhere like american levels of runaway positive feedback loop 2014-09-06 18:29 hah, there's something to be said about russian calm ;-) 2014-09-06 18:29 (I don't like him) I don't like a country which doesn't *have* to stay on the level of development of Nigeria, but it still does 2014-09-06 18:30 probably the best way to fight terrorism. just ignore it and proceed with your life. they'll grow tired of blowing themselves up soon enough ... 2014-09-06 18:30 that's a pretty fucking good reason 2014-09-06 18:30 (fight terrorism) yes, absolutely. treat it like a natural disaster. 2014-09-06 18:31 well, it seems that he took several steps in the right direction. stabilize things. wait a bit while making sure no new mafia pops up when things get opened again. 2014-09-06 18:32 at least it would seem that the mafia rule was the sort of problem that would justify exceptional measures 2014-09-06 18:32 you do realize that the main function of the government is extracting money by truckloads into Swiss banks? 2014-09-06 18:32 and by "extracting" I mean "blatant theft" 2014-09-06 18:33 ah, wisely creating reserves ? ;-) 2014-09-06 18:33 there were reserves, in fact 2014-09-06 18:33 I may not be entirely up to date, but I think not anymore 2014-09-06 18:33 how long can putin stay in power ? are there any constitutional limits for him ? 2014-09-06 18:33 HAHAHA 2014-09-06 18:33 excellent question 2014-09-06 18:33 first it was two terms of 4 years 2014-09-06 18:34 (reserves) maybe they've been "privatized". most of the west would applaud ;- 2014-09-06 18:34 ) 2014-09-06 18:34 and I think there was some measure that allowed him to take 4 years off and then restart indefinitely 2014-09-06 18:34 giving rise to this picture: http://apikabu.ru/img_n/2011-10_5/63c.jpg 2014-09-06 18:34 but a few years ago, very very silently, a constitutional amendment was passed that allowed him to serve 3 terms of 6 years 2014-09-06 18:35 i.e. 18 years, and he'll surely be dead by the end of that 2014-09-06 18:35 (picture) so he'd alternate with some companion ? 2014-09-06 18:35 medvedev 2014-09-06 18:36 the captions say "bald" "hairy" 2014-09-06 18:37 ah ! ;-) 2014-09-06 18:37 evidently there aren't any constitutional measures that would actually work 2014-09-06 18:37 medvedev wasn't too bad for the kind of economic development you see missing under putin, was he ? 2014-09-06 18:37 so the whole question is irrelevant 2014-09-06 18:38 wpwrak: there is no difference 2014-09-06 18:38 ((probably the best way to fight terrorism)) defintely. I'm preaching this since ages 2014-09-06 18:38 as in, the people who rule are the same. 2014-09-06 18:40 that alternating scheme sounds like what the kirchners had in mind, with him and her swapping presidency. well, he made the mistake of dying, and then picked her trusted advisers only by loyalty. 2014-09-06 18:41 i think you once had such a government in russia, too :) 2014-09-06 18:41 well, here we are stuck with Merkel indefinitely 2014-09-06 18:42 there been Birne ;-P 2014-09-06 18:42 DocScrutinizer05: a good case study is Aum Shinrikyo 2014-09-06 18:43 larsc: well, Merkel isn't too bad, is she? 2014-09-06 18:43 larsc: 9 years and counting, right ? how much longer can she keep that position ? 2014-09-06 18:43 see Kohl 2014-09-06 18:43 wpwrak: 20 at least 2014-09-06 18:43 huh 2014-09-06 18:43 :nod: 2014-09-06 18:44 wow 5 four-year terms. that's a lot 2014-09-06 18:44 wpwrak: related. I recall some German politician being rightly accused of plagiarism 2014-09-06 18:44 he almost immediately resigned and I think was pretty much banished from politics 2014-09-06 18:45 HAHAHA 2014-09-06 18:45 whitequark: and now he works for a think-tank in washington 2014-09-06 18:45 # s/banished/promoted/ ;-) 2014-09-06 18:45 oh really? I thought he's internet-expert in Buxelles now 2014-09-06 18:45 larsc: gotta sabotage the America 2014-09-06 18:46 are we actually talking about guttenberg or sb else? 2014-09-06 18:46 anyway, my point is, here at RU a bunch of people got excited and uncovered dozens of cases of blatant plagiarism 2014-09-06 18:46 whitequark: i think when/if you get an inside view of western democracies, you'll be rather disappointed 2014-09-06 18:47 it ended in a few libel cases, the library institution that was verifying the claims stopping actually accepting the submissions, and that's all 2014-09-06 18:47 whitequark: they have different ways for doing many of the evil things, but that doesn't mean that they don't do them 2014-09-06 18:47 DocScrutinizer05: http://www.zeit.de/news/2011-09/29/politik-guttenberg-schliesst-sich-us-thinktank-an-29170607 2014-09-06 18:47 wpwrak: it's slightly less broken 2014-09-06 18:47 I'll take slightly less broken, thanks. 2014-09-06 18:47 Guttenberg had to go when Merkel felt bored about opposition bitching and bickering 2014-09-06 18:47 larsc: ooh, thanks 2014-09-06 18:48 west is far from perfect, but there are significant cultural differences that totally matter 2014-09-06 18:49 whitequark: btw there's been little news in http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/141946/alexander-j-motyl/putins-trap 2014-09-06 18:49 DocScrutinizer05: well, the "scorched earth" strategy was news for me 2014-09-06 18:50 it makes some perverse sense 2014-09-06 18:50 actually our TV news are pretty non-biased and explaned all that as a possible reason for the mess long before 2014-09-06 18:51 whitequark: the west seems to become more repressive at an alarming rate. you have a good measure of freedom of speech in most of the western countries, but since everybody has that, it's hard to be heard. so that's the trick. 2014-09-06 18:51 wpwrak: it's a global trend. and it also varies heavily. 2014-09-06 18:51 and as soon as economical interests are touched, things turn a lot more hostile 2014-09-06 18:52 I sure won't want to become a citizen of US or UK 2014-09-06 18:52 the whole "five eyes" thing, basically 2014-09-06 18:52 heh :) 2014-09-06 18:53 unfortunately, they're extending their sphere on influence. e.g., there are secret (!) negotiations between 5 eyes countries and the EU that basically force the EU to adopt many of their laws 2014-09-06 18:53 of course, without a shred of democratic pretense 2014-09-06 18:53 that's completely unsurprising 2014-09-06 18:54 but again, you gotta work with what you have. I'll take a slightly less broken thing 2014-09-06 18:54 here in D I notice increasing repression on silly everyday things since years 2014-09-06 18:54 no smoking, for example 2014-09-06 18:54 well, that's EU 2014-09-06 18:54 heh, smoking 2014-09-06 18:54 ...wide 2014-09-06 18:54 RU banned smoking recently for some obscure reason too 2014-09-06 18:54 heh, the smoking ban went surprisingly smoothly in argentina. it seems that people were almost waiting for it ;-) 2014-09-06 18:54 I feel it is a part of some wider political move but I don't understand exactly which one 2014-09-06 18:55 I'm not going to cry for your vice :p 2014-09-06 18:55 to be "modern" ? 2014-09-06 18:55 soon you will not be allowed to walk on public streets when you're drunk, or you lose your permission to use your feet 2014-09-06 18:55 well, it's nice if us non-smokers don't have to cough our lungs out. mine are kinda delicate, so this is a rather significant improvement. 2014-09-06 18:56 ^ smoking is a torture for people with asthma and COPD 2014-09-06 18:56 literal torture 2014-09-06 18:56 it's a worldwide trend for incapacitation 2014-09-06 18:56 oh come on 2014-09-06 18:57 everything, not just no-smoking 2014-09-06 18:57 are you still grumpy about that time they took your cocaine use away from you in 1920s? 2014-09-06 18:57 yes 2014-09-06 18:57 actaully I am 2014-09-06 18:57 another instance of silly laws 2014-09-06 18:58 well, hm 2014-09-06 18:58 I must agree though, drug crackdown led to absolutely no good 2014-09-06 18:58 drugs should be legalized anyway. not as in "sell them at the kiosk, next to the candy", but as in "sell them like prescription medicine" 2014-09-06 18:58 wpwrak: no, that's a bad idea 2014-09-06 18:58 in US you have more deaths from prescriotion meds overdose than illegal hard drugs, by a large margin 2014-09-06 18:58 (see CDC statistics) 2014-09-06 18:59 so does alcohol abuse 2014-09-06 18:59 exactly. people who want to kill themselves will find a way. they don't need illegal drugs for that. 2014-09-06 18:59 or obesity ... 2014-09-06 19:00 still, smoking tends to affect those around you much more 2014-09-06 19:00 you know those laws originally got installed to regulate the market so hospitals would not run short of narcotics after WW-I ? 2014-09-06 19:00 if you need that nicotine, use e-cigs 2014-09-06 19:00 (the laws which ban *those* are just idiotic and I stand on that) 2014-09-06 19:00 I'm not worried about smoking prohibition. Smoking is silly 2014-09-06 19:00 DocScrutinizer05: I heard (and read) a different story 2014-09-06 19:01 see early WHO documents 2014-09-06 19:01 it seemed like some weird outbreak of puritanism 2014-09-06 19:01 i.e. mostly ideologically, not practically, motivated 2014-09-06 19:01 german drug laws predate the WHO 2014-09-06 19:02 same as war on drugs in USA now, except USA lags fifty years behind or something 2014-09-06 19:02 DocScrutinizer05: could be both 2014-09-06 19:02 oh, WW-I 2014-09-06 19:02 misread 2014-09-06 19:03 interesting. 2014-09-06 19:05 http://www.eve-rave.net/abfahrer/download/eve-rave/politics115.pdf 2014-09-06 19:06 1 Kilogram of opium O_o 2014-09-06 19:07 22. März 1917 2014-09-06 19:07 yeah I seen that 2014-09-06 19:12 (smoking) they gonna forbid e-cigs completely, pretty soonish 2014-09-06 19:14 that's just idiotic 2014-09-06 19:15 they try to define it as a medication that needs approval 2014-09-06 19:15 that's what i mean 2014-09-06 19:15 should do it to alcohol too 2014-09-06 19:15 by exact same logic 2014-09-06 19:15 they gonna forbit riding bicycle without wearing a helmet 2014-09-06 19:16 forbid* 2014-09-06 19:16 yeah I see what you mean by "everyday repression" 2014-09-06 19:16 you MSUT NOT work longer than 8h per day 2014-09-06 19:16 etc pp 2014-09-06 19:16 americans call it "nanny state" 2014-09-06 19:16 exactly 2014-09-06 19:16 a pretty apt definition I say 2014-09-06 19:18 netsplit? 2014-09-06 19:19 not to me 2014-09-06 19:19 k 2014-09-06 19:19 gave infobot a reboot 2014-09-06 19:20 [2014-09-06 Sat 21:16:50] <-- infobot (ibot@rikers.org) has left this server (*.net *.split). 2014-09-06 19:21 [2014-09-06 Sat 21:21:16] --> infobot (ibot@rikers.org) has joined this channel. 2014-09-06 19:21 :-) 2014-09-06 19:23 >> Erst bei der 2. Opiumkonferenz im Jahr 1925 in Genf wurde die Hanfdroge in ein internationales Abkommen aufgenommen. China und die USA hatten bei der Abstimmung die Konferenz bereits unter Protest verlassen. Indien und sieben weitere Länder stimmten gegen die Aufnahme des Hanfs unter die zu kontrollierenden Drogen. Ägypten und neun weitere Länder, für eine solche Aufnahme. Großbritannien und die Nieder- lande enthielten sich 2014-09-06 19:23 der Stimme. Das Deutsche Reich stimmte dafür, weil Ägypten im Gegenzug dem Deutschen Reich zusicherte, kein Importverbot für Heroin zu erlassen. Hanf wurde 1925 den Interessen der deutschen Pharmaindustrie geopfert.<< 2014-09-06 19:23 :-P 2014-09-06 20:35 lok has joined #qi-hardware 2014-09-06 20:35 hi all 2014-09-06 20:36 need advice abt mk808/android tv related info if any one has used 2014-09-06 20:52 mhm 2014-09-06 20:53 when it's not too android related... 2014-09-06 20:53 i'd say, ask 2014-09-06 21:01 thanks 2014-09-06 21:01 & sorry for being little late 2014-09-06 21:02 late? 2014-09-06 21:02 i was hunting a low-cost/relibale device (like chromecast) whcih can be sandwiched between my USB thumb drive and LCD TV(non-smart) to view movies 2014-09-06 21:02 movies are stroed in USB thumb drive 2014-09-06 21:02 7 mins whitequark 2014-09-06 21:02 DocScrutinizer05: 2014-09-06 21:03 ok 2014-09-06 21:04 i dont like to switch ON both devices together(TV+Laptop/Phone) to see movies from chromecast 2014-09-06 21:06 I can only tell you that the *hardware* of mk808 should be exactly what you need. No idea about chromecast and the OS on mk808 though 2014-09-06 21:06 ok yes that is what i have concluded but not sure 2014-09-06 21:06 thanks for advice 2014-09-06 21:07 is mk808 latest in its series? m8x 2014-09-06 21:07 i think it was launched very long back 2014-09-06 21:07 DocScrutinizer05: 2014-09-06 21:07 there seems to be a rk3188 based one 2014-09-06 21:07 quad core, 1.6GHz 2014-09-06 21:08 and a 2core 1GHz 2014-09-06 21:08 rk3066 2014-09-06 21:08 it is some chinese company 2014-09-06 21:08 ezcast, iam not sure whether it is hepful for me or not? measy 2014-09-06 21:10 I'd assume it for sure is capable to playback usual video files 2014-09-06 21:10 no idea if yours are "usual" though 2014-09-06 21:11 well, it says OS is android, so you prolly could find most of the commonly used android apps for it 2014-09-06 21:11 i have video files like mkv, mp4, avi 2014-09-06 21:11 i guess those are usual now a days 2014-09-06 21:11 DocScrutinizer05: 2014-09-06 21:12 android app for what? 2014-09-06 21:14 whatever you need 2014-09-06 21:15 chromecast? (if that's an app) 2014-09-06 21:16 ok 2014-09-06 21:17 maybe better ask on err #android maybe? 2014-09-06 21:18 ok 2014-09-06 21:18 one more query was htc 1 v hooking up wiht my TV 2014-09-06 21:19 can i ask here? 2014-09-06 22:27 lok has left #qi-hardware [#qi-hardware]