2014-08-20 00:26 dandon has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-08-20 00:48 dandon has joined #qi-hardware 2014-08-20 00:51 so ... did anyone try the simulator ? 2014-08-20 02:01 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2014-08-20 02:11 xiangfu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-08-20 02:19 atommann has joined #qi-hardware 2014-08-20 02:26 pcercuei has quit [Quit: dodo] 2014-08-20 03:08 panda|z has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-08-20 03:08 panda|z has joined #qi-hardware 2014-08-20 03:41 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2014-08-20 03:55 fmeerkoetter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-08-20 04:01 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 2014-08-20 04:08 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2014-08-20 04:22 fmeerkoetter has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-08-20 04:48 very tempted to, but.. time 2014-08-20 05:01 it's not as if there would be a maze of dialog screens awaiting you ;-) 2014-08-20 06:58 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2014-08-20 07:26 atommann has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-08-20 07:38 atommann has joined #qi-hardware 2014-08-20 08:07 wolfspraul has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-08-20 08:08 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2014-08-20 08:40 wolfspraul has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-08-20 08:41 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2014-08-20 08:45 michael_lee has joined #qi-hardware 2014-08-20 09:02 wolfspraul has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-08-20 09:03 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2014-08-20 09:31 unclouded has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-08-20 09:37 wolfspraul has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-08-20 09:38 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2014-08-20 10:18 michael_lee has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-08-20 10:34 atommann has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-08-20 11:24 lindi-_ is now known as lindi- 2014-08-20 11:26 lindi- has quit [Changing host] 2014-08-20 11:26 lindi- has joined #qi-hardware 2014-08-20 11:32 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2014-08-20 12:09 DocScrutinizer05 has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-08-20 12:09 DocScrutinizer05 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-08-20 12:34 wolfspraul has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-08-20 12:57 michael_lee has joined #qi-hardware 2014-08-20 13:22 xiangfu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-08-20 13:28 emulator? 2014-08-20 13:30 for some SoC? 2014-08-20 13:32 dammit, I won't be able to eat up those 1.5GB data volume. left VNC connected for 8h and it only used up 200MB ;-P 2014-08-20 13:33 apropos: 2014-08-20 13:34 wpwrak: how about you already start with maemo-scratchbox? give it a test, it gives you a first impression of what's awaiting you when we get that device to yours 2014-08-20 13:35 [2014-08-20 Wed 15:35:03] ~sb 2014-08-20 13:35 [2014-08-20 Wed 15:35:08] well, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB 2014-08-20 13:36 get the VM image from merlin's place! 2014-08-20 13:37 actually I found the xephyr based emu quite exciting, it kinda really feels like the true thing: maemo on N900 2014-08-20 13:41 DocScrutinizer05: (simulator) for anelok, just for GUI development. provides "touch" input and display 2014-08-20 13:42 (scratchbox) i'll have a look at it 2014-08-20 13:42 * mth thinks scratchbox is the wrong approach... 2014-08-20 13:42 you can't completely hide the fact that you're doing a cross build 2014-08-20 13:43 and in the cases where it fails, scratchbox is an extra layer of complexity to deal with when debugging 2014-08-20 13:43 sb is a nightmare 2014-08-20 13:43 but the result is awesoome 2014-08-20 13:45 even Nokia tried to come up with something more sleak: MADDE 2014-08-20 13:46 but aiui MADDE needs a real N900 attached to PC to run the binaries on there, while sb has a complete emu of N900 (well, almost complete. obviously no phone calls, no GPS etc) 2014-08-20 13:46 and they even use x86 binaries for that, aiui 2014-08-20 13:46 * ysionneau wonders what scratchbox is 2014-08-20 13:47 is it like a mix of buildroot+qemu ? 2014-08-20 13:47 but how often do you really need to run target binaries as part of the build? only a few packages need something like that 2014-08-20 13:47 ysionneau: yes 2014-08-20 13:47 most cross build problems are bad configure scripts that do things like hardcoding /usr/include into CFLAGS 2014-08-20 13:47 it's not about building, it's about testing 2014-08-20 13:48 ok 2014-08-20 13:48 I never got past the build stage before I dumped it ;) 2014-08-20 13:48 haha 2014-08-20 13:48 michael_lee has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 2014-08-20 13:48 I watched a video of scratchbox on the web, it made me think about Android emulator (which is Qemu) 2014-08-20 13:48 and yes it's pretty cool for testing 2014-08-20 13:50 wpwrak: you'll also need this link: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide 2014-08-20 13:51 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2014-08-20 13:53 and http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK 2014-08-20 13:54 do NOT use the gui tool to install sb! actaully do not install sb at all ;), just use the VM image of merlin's server 2014-08-20 13:55 I heard somebody managed to install sb natively only 2 months ago, and took him only one day 2014-08-20 13:55 so it *can* be done 2014-08-20 13:55 I suggest to steer clear 2014-08-20 13:55 hmm. it starts increasingly like the sort of operation that needs a thorough backup before you try it ... 2014-08-20 13:58 what? installing sb? it just creates a /sb/ dir of some 5GB size on your PC. Then eventually a initscript will start a chroot in there 2014-08-20 13:59 so a good way to nuke your PC is a rm -rf /sb 2014-08-20 13:59 like with any other chroot 2014-08-20 13:59 5 GB. more fun then. 2014-08-20 13:59 yeah, friggin bloated 2014-08-20 14:00 that's however incl kernel sources and all, iirc 2014-08-20 14:00 the VM is slightly >1GB 2014-08-20 14:01 for installing rootstraps you need a "token", google is your friend, or justr ask me 2014-08-20 14:04 it sounds increasingly like the sort of software i'd rather not have on my system :) 2014-08-20 14:06 hmm, no. nothing wrong with it, once it's installed (or started in VM even, which I recommend) 2014-08-20 14:07 sb itself is a biatch 2014-08-20 14:08 and the bindmounts are as nasty as are on any other chroot 2014-08-20 14:08 nevermind them in a VM however 2014-08-20 14:09 just NEVER do a `rm -rf ` while stuff like /proc and /sys etc is still bindmounted to the chroot dir. That's general advice for all *nix chroots 2014-08-20 14:10 rm has a --one-file-system option that might help against that 2014-08-20 14:11 *might* because I'm not sure it would help against bind mounts on the same fs 2014-08-20 14:11 maemo itself has some closed blobs e.g. powervr driver lib 3D) which need some "authentication" to download them from Nokia repo 2014-08-20 14:11 mth: solution: "stop" the chroot before doing any rm 2014-08-20 14:12 alas you forget about that lil detail every now and then 2014-08-20 14:13 that's why I *always* emphasize it 2014-08-20 14:15 hint: https://www.google.com/search?q=maemo+rootstrap&ie=UTF-8 2014-08-20 14:16 there's a constant 'magic number' in the repo URL 2014-08-20 14:35 [commit] Nebuleon Fumika: Fix a crasher when launching an application whose icon is corrupt (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/5758209 2014-08-20 14:35 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: If directory entry is a symbolic link, fall back on stat() (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/3eb3a8e 2014-08-20 14:35 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: Don't assume that all non-directories are regular files (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/c7a5b87 2014-08-20 14:35 [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: Don't apply realpath() to entered subdirs in Selector (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/7b2c26c 2014-08-20 20:39 wolfspraul has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-08-20 20:40 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2014-08-20 22:10 wolfspraul has quit [Quit: leaving]