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2014-05-28 00:28 <wpwrak> nicksydney: thanks ! hmm, at the moment, the help i need most right now is in getting that biz framework. without it, and soon, the project is doomed. so if you happen to have an MBA or such, or know people who may want to run such a thing, that would be very useful.
2014-05-28 00:29 <wpwrak> nicksydney: on the technical side, i'm preparing the next board version. but that's not something with easily shareable work.
2014-05-28 00:29 <nicksydney> wpwrak: i believe personally that you will have more success if we go towards crowdsourcing style (which i read you have looked at).. the other thing is perhaps look at selling it through tindie.com ?
2014-05-28 00:32 <wpwrak> tinie looks like a shop ? naw, that's not what i need now
2014-05-28 00:33 <wpwrak> i still need to complete prototype design. then make the "alpha" round of devices. then the "beta" round. then out to the masses.
2014-05-28 00:34 <whitequark> wpwrak: I wonder how can you afford to dedicate so much time to OSHW
2014-05-28 00:34 <whitequark> (and IRC)
2014-05-28 00:34 <wpwrak> R&D and alpha need financing but don't really provide a "product" to sell
2014-05-28 00:34 <wpwrak> whitequark: don't worry, it won't last ...
2014-05-28 00:35 <whitequark> now *that* makes me worry
2014-05-28 00:36 <wpwrak> (R&D, alpha financing) hence my idea for "crowdfinancing", e.g., via a coop. not entirely sure whether that makes sense, would need some looking into by someone who knows about such stuff.
2014-05-28 00:37 <wpwrak> beta and mass could use traditional crowdfunding, although i would prefer to distribute via resellers, since that takes away a lot of trouble
2014-05-28 00:39 <wpwrak> whitequark: for that matter, me too :)
2014-05-28 00:40 <whitequark> you could set up a farm
2014-05-28 00:41 <wpwrak> not a good time. winter is coming. no harvest for a while.
2014-05-28 00:43 <whitequark> that depends on which house are you from...
2014-05-28 00:43 <wpwrak> besides, internet access is pretty difficult from most farms. and expensive.
2014-05-28 00:44 <wpwrak> hmm, the branch of my family that came from a "house" went in a different direction
2014-05-28 00:52 <whitequark> (internet access) couldn't you, idk, just lay a few kilometers of fiber optics?
2014-05-28 00:52 <whitequark> GPON is all the rage, it can't be expensive anymore
2014-05-28 00:54 <wpwrak> and then connect to the next farm. without internet access :)
2014-05-28 00:54 <whitequark> hmm, I see an opportunity for becoming an ISP!
2014-05-28 00:56 <wpwrak> run a local facebook clone in the basement and sell the neighbour's personal secrets to .. whom ? :)
2014-05-28 01:05 <whitequark> to his wife!
2014-05-28 01:07 <wpwrak> then both will come and kill me
2014-05-28 01:16 <whitequark> wise people.
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2014-05-28 02:05 <nicksydney> wpwrak: just out of curiosity how much longer and how much is needed to make anelok to reach it's mass production state ?
2014-05-28 02:11 <nicksydney> i have few ideas that i want to throw at you who knows maybe it will stick :)
2014-05-28 02:15 <wpwrak> that would depend on how the beta goes. beta could be self-sufficient, but again that would depend on whether people are willing to pay USD ~200 for a kit (beta would still have high production cost)
2014-05-28 02:16 <wpwrak> to get that far, i guess something like 15 kUSD should be enough. time ... 2 months + alpha + alpha results
2014-05-28 02:16 <nicksydney> so with $15K you will get to the state of a ready-to-made-production anelok ? or further testing required ?
2014-05-28 02:22 <wpwrak> alpha would be device kits suitable for interested developers. so, very rough.
2014-05-28 02:22 <wpwrak> alpha: anelok, ybox, fixtures.
2014-05-28 02:22 <wpwrak> beta: would be similar, but working towards industrializing the process. anelok + ybox.
2014-05-28 02:24 <wpwrak> mass production would get "proper" cases. that's expensive (can be in the order of 100 kUSD, but that depends a bit on the volume we have. there are also cheaper options.), to crowdfunding would have to pay for that.
2014-05-28 02:25 <nicksydney> so pretty much i can see you are aiming at alpha + beta first ?
2014-05-28 02:25 <nicksydney> and then once that works out than aim for mass production (expensive option) ?
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2014-05-28 02:33 <wpwrak> yes
2014-05-28 02:33 <wpwrak> for mp everything must be perfectly right
2014-05-28 02:33 <wpwrak> woudn't want to have a 1 MUSD+ mass-grave at my hands :)
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2014-05-28 02:36 <nicksydney> cool....
2014-05-28 02:37 <nicksydney> have you ever thought about hardware incubator ?
2014-05-28 02:37 <nicksydney> you have something like this company https://angel.co/highway1
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2014-05-28 02:47 <wpwrak> hmm, sounds US-centric
2014-05-28 02:52 <nicksydney> looking at anelok i think they will go and fund you i'm confident :)
2014-05-28 03:01 <wpwrak> their program seems to consist of a ton of supplemental things. all of them useful, i'm sure, but half a world away, not so
2014-05-28 03:03 <DocScrutinizer05> half a world literally
2014-05-28 03:04 <DocScrutinizer05> hey, at least you coukd get another few bottles of klipshift at South Africa while traveling there ;-)
2014-05-28 03:05 <whitequark> why do I have "Beamtenlaufbahn, 22846 Norderstedt, Deutschland" starred on gmaps? O_o
2014-05-28 03:05 <DocScrutinizer05> huh?
2014-05-28 03:06 <whitequark> you can "star" locations on google maps, to remember them
2014-05-28 03:06 <whitequark> I have that address starred. I have absolutely no idea why
2014-05-28 03:06 <DocScrutinizer05> lol
2014-05-28 03:06 <wpwrak> klipdrift from SA isn't quite on the way to the US ;-)
2014-05-28 03:06 <DocScrutinizer05> Beamtenlaufbahn is a pretty fuzzy job position description, not an addr
2014-05-28 03:07 <DocScrutinizer05> US, sounded like they are cebtered around China
2014-05-28 03:07 <DocScrutinizer05> centered
2014-05-28 03:07 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: ooooh, that explains it
2014-05-28 03:07 <whitequark> it's a dead end
2014-05-28 03:08 <DocScrutinizer05> Beamtenlaufbahn is probbaly a dead end, yes
2014-05-28 03:08 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-P
2014-05-28 03:08 <whitequark> I mean literally.
2014-05-28 03:08 <whitequark> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Beamtenlaufbahn/@53.7065769,9.9939506,17z
2014-05-28 03:08 <wpwrak> maybe it's your future self who made that entry. maybe in the future, they do cool things on those "dead end" jobs, like time travel ;-)
2014-05-28 03:09 <DocScrutinizer05> whitequark: you looked for jobs
2014-05-28 03:09 <whitequark> or http://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=53.7065769%2C9.9939506#map=19/53.70658/9.99407
2014-05-28 03:09 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: look at the map :p
2014-05-28 03:09 <whitequark> there is literally a street called Beamtenlaufbahn which is a dead end
2014-05-28 03:10 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL!!!
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2014-05-28 03:11 <DocScrutinizer05> next to deutsche bank and Hamburger sparkasse. Hmm no "Beamte" there
2014-05-28 03:12 <DocScrutinizer05> wait wait wait.... "Rathausapotheke"
2014-05-28 03:12 <DocScrutinizer05> Rathausallee
2014-05-28 03:13 <whitequark> "Rathaus"?!
2014-05-28 03:13 <whitequark> oh, distracted by homophones
2014-05-28 03:13 <DocScrutinizer05> err the heck...
2014-05-28 03:13 <wpwrak> it's on OSM, too
2014-05-28 03:13 <DocScrutinizer05> town hall
2014-05-28 03:13 <whitequark> yeah
2014-05-28 03:14 <DocScrutinizer05> lots of officials there
2014-05-28 03:15 <DocScrutinizer05> clerk, civil servant, whatever
2014-05-28 03:15 <DocScrutinizer05> Beamte halt eben
2014-05-28 03:16 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess you can't translate the german term "Beamter"
2014-05-28 03:17 <whitequark> "official" ?
2014-05-28 03:18 <whitequark> hehe, Lingvo offers two examples for "Beamter": ein hoher Beamter & ein bestechlicher Beamter
2014-05-28 03:44 <DocScrutinizer05> both pretty good examples
2014-05-28 03:47 <DocScrutinizer05> "Beamte" are paid by some official authority and generally can't get fired, and are quite commonly frowned upon for a) laziness or sleeping during working hours, and b) their high pension
2014-05-28 03:51 <DocScrutinizer05> laufbahn is an ambiguous term, which turns the street name pretty much into a pun
2014-05-28 03:52 <DocScrutinizer05> it can mean "carrier" as well as literally something or somebody moving along a guided path
2014-05-28 03:52 <DocScrutinizer05> s/guided/defined
2014-05-28 03:52 <qi-bot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: "it can mean "carrier" as well as literally something or somebody moving along a defined path"
2014-05-28 03:56 <DocScrutinizer05> "wie kam der denn ins Rathaus?"  "Ueber die Beamtenlaufbahn"  --  I bet some fools must have pissed themselves from laughing
2014-05-28 03:59 <whitequark> hehe
2014-05-28 04:02 <wpwrak> fools ? it seems to be a rather clever hack - they hacked the street naming system :)
2014-05-28 04:08 <wpwrak> oh, and didn't we have some cats vs. dogs discussions ? here's a nice video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-Opm9b2WDk
2014-05-28 04:09 <wpwrak> (made it even to news in argentina yesterday, after the dog was put down)
2014-05-28 04:13 <DocScrutinizer05> WTF? "sign in to confirm your age"
2014-05-28 04:14 <wpwrak> ah, maybe over here then ? www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24564351/internet-legend-tara-the-cat-to-throw-out-first-pitch-in-class-a-game
2014-05-28 04:15 <wpwrak> you get to see some scratches
2014-05-28 04:15 <wpwrak> well, dog bites
2014-05-28 04:15 <wpwrak> so you'll feel good in the knowledge that this dog ain't gonna bite nobody anymore
2014-05-28 04:30 <DocScrutinizer05> THREE cameras - honestly now? looks like fake, or a paranoid dude who placed cameras incl recording everywhere around his house
2014-05-28 05:15 <whitequark> Aperture Science Water Aggregation Apparatus: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bosqk0DIIAA9Tyh.jpg:large
2014-05-28 05:15 <whitequark> aggregates water pretty well
2014-05-28 05:33 <nicksydney> Rockchip to Design Intel x86 “SoFIA” SoCs for Android Tablets - http://www.cnx-software.com/2014/05/28/rockchip-x86-soc-intel/#ixzz32zAFPlzA
2014-05-28 05:33 <nicksydney> intel is running out of idea...they want to 'flood' the market with cheapie tablets now :)
2014-05-28 05:34 <nicksydney> for MIPS people this is good news http://www.prplfoundation.org/engineering-projects/
2014-05-28 05:34 <whitequark> never underestimate intel. someone's market valuation is their pocket change
2014-05-28 05:34 <whitequark> and inelegant solutions may still be disturbingly effective
2014-05-28 05:36 <nicksydney> no doubt about it...that's how it works the first time when Android was released :)...flood the market and it will eventually roll on its own
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2014-05-28 11:14 <nicksydney> wpwrak: http://hackaday.com/2014/05/27/developed-on-hackaday-front-panels-and-beta-testers-program/
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2014-05-28 13:54 <wpwrak> oh, perl is (finally) learning old tricks about parameter passing: search.cpan.org/~rjbs/perl-5.20.0/pod/perlsub.pod#Signatures
2014-05-28 13:54 <wpwrak> so @_ did get too suckish eventually. nice :)
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2014-05-28 13:59 <larsc> almost like php now :0
2014-05-28 13:59 <larsc> ;)
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2014-05-28 14:00 <wpwrak> there's also progress towards making every conceivable line noise syntactically correct perl: search.cpan.org/~rjbs/perl-5.20.0/pod/perlref.pod#Postfix_Dereference_Syntax
2014-05-28 14:20 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: relevant to our discussion: a diy sla printer: http://hackaday.com/2014/05/28/openexposer-the-diy-sla-printer/
2014-05-28 14:21 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, quite distracted now by some other sad stuff
2014-05-28 14:22 <DocScrutinizer05> Nikolaus finally killed Neo900, because of... duh, communication problems
2014-05-28 14:22 <DocScrutinizer05> or maybe because of some strange sentiments
2014-05-28 14:23 <DocScrutinizer05> I really don't know
2014-05-28 14:23 <whitequark> wait, how do you mean "killed" ?
2014-05-28 14:24 <DocScrutinizer05> terminated, excuted, shot in the forehead
2014-05-28 14:24 <whitequark> :/
2014-05-28 14:29 <wpwrak> i'd rather call that perfectly coordinated teamwork
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2014-05-28 14:30 <whitequark> wpwrak: hm?
2014-05-28 14:31 <wpwrak> whitequark: joerg basically forced nik's hand
2014-05-28 14:31 <DocScrutinizer05> whitequark: werner has his own ideas about whose fault this been
2014-05-28 14:33 <DocScrutinizer05> Nikolaus insisting in me doing something basically illegal. I refused
2014-05-28 14:34 <DocScrutinizer05> insisting in demanding that I do...
2014-05-28 14:34 <whitequark> illegal? related to funds transfer I guess?
2014-05-28 14:34 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
2014-05-28 14:36 <DocScrutinizer05> the whole funds transfer been meant to sort out the problem that Nik on his donation page had a fineprint that turned the donations into preorder contracts. Nik insisted in Neo900 UG doing same mistake again, or otherwise he's not willing to transfer the funds
2014-05-28 14:37 <wpwrak> ... and before we could try to negotiate a consensus both could agree on, joerg barged ahead and snatched defeat from the jaws of success.
2014-05-28 14:38 <DocScrutinizer05> since I refused to do (and my advisers and lawyers forbid me to do), he accused me of >> I am not participating in willingly cheating customers by deliberately concealing information [...] Either Jörg makes a good neo900.org/something page clearly telling the rules instead of trying to hide something or I won't help with any direct transfer to him.<<
2014-05-28 14:39 <wpwrak> correct process: both of you meet and talk about your two stories, just to make sure you know what agree and what you disagree with. then you do to a lawyer, tell him your story and listen to what he has to say. it's not that difficult.
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2014-05-28 14:40 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm not hiding *anything* - I'm just not allowed to post there on this page that Neo900 UG of course will still rebate the devices like we always announced and explained. For Nik that's identical to scam when I don't do this prohibited statement there on that particular page, he wasn't willing to point to other sources of same info of which there been plenty offered to him
2014-05-28 14:41 <DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak: the fuck I won't visit a lawyer for that. I wouldn't know how to pay such loawyer (unlike Nik I only had a few 1000 expenses on Neo900 project and now am broke) and also I wouldn't know what to ask the lawyer for
2014-05-28 14:42 <wpwrak> he could still say that there's indeed no common ground, but all these actions were based on the mere assumptions of people not educated in the field
2014-05-28 14:42 <DocScrutinizer05> no
2014-05-28 14:42 <DocScrutinizer05> absolutely not
2014-05-28 14:43 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: well, i proposed a solution for that as well. but of course, by then you already had "created facts"
2014-05-28 14:43 <DocScrutinizer05> guess why I had dozens of appointments with my tax adviser last few months, and why I talked to several friends who are lawyers
2014-05-28 14:43 <wpwrak> yes, and they only heard your side and your interpretation of nik's side
2014-05-28 14:44 <DocScrutinizer05> no, they only told me about facts pretty unrelated to Nik
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2014-05-28 14:45 <DocScrutinizer05> actually the stopped me each single time I tried to give them background about Nik and GDC. Since Neo900 UG is not responsible for what GDC does
2014-05-28 14:45 <wpwrak> and i'm sure nik's advisors did the same on his side. as i said, "lawyers like that". conflict is the business
2014-05-28 14:46 <DocScrutinizer05> conflict is GDC trying to force Neo900 UG to do things so GDC has somebody else to point at
2014-05-28 14:47 <wpwrak> which is how it should be done. with the money comes the responsibility for it.
2014-05-28 14:47 <DocScrutinizer05> so what?
2014-05-28 14:48 <DocScrutinizer05> it's not GDC's money
2014-05-28 14:48 <wpwrak> that's the problem, yes. GDC is responsible towards others.
2014-05-28 14:48 <DocScrutinizer05> GDC refunding, GDC is out.
2014-05-28 14:48 <wpwrak> that's what he's doing now
2014-05-28 14:49 <DocScrutinizer05> it's NOT GDC's business to help donors make a decision what to do with their money
2014-05-28 14:49 <wpwrak> what was lost is the opportunity to move funds directly to neo900 ug
2014-05-28 14:49 <wpwrak> if he just refunds back to the origin, it isn't
2014-05-28 14:50 <DocScrutinizer05> which is actually just Nik refusing to offer donors a pretty normal and correct way to define the destinationb account they want to receive their refund on
2014-05-28 14:50 <wpwrak> so he's doing precisely what you asked him to do. don't complain then.
2014-05-28 14:50 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't complain
2014-05-28 14:51 <DocScrutinizer05> I just state Nik is trying to force Neo900 UG to do stuff I clearly told him my lawyers think is illegal
2014-05-28 14:51 <DocScrutinizer05> I won't do such stuff
2014-05-28 14:52 <DocScrutinizer05> He doesn't want to suggest his customers to transfer money to Neo900 UG? Fine, *I* asked them to do.
2014-05-28 14:52 <wpwrak> he was prepared to do that but wanted to make sure the implications were not misunderstood. he did get feedback that people were confused. so he wanted to be clear. alas, both of you followed the advice of your advisors, never even presenting them with the complete problem
2014-05-28 14:53 <DocScrutinizer05> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1426929#post1426929
2014-05-28 14:53 <wpwrak> (direct transfer) well, let's see how that goes ...
2014-05-28 14:54 <DocScrutinizer05> the "complete problem2 been "create a donations pafge that's legal" - which I accomplished
2014-05-28 14:55 <DocScrutinizer05> meh, I have other things to do in my life too
2014-05-28 14:55 <DocScrutinizer05> cya
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2014-05-28 15:34 <DocScrutinizer05> the whole point being that we MUST NOT promise rebates for donations, or the donation will turn into a purchase, and even an illegal purxhase since we don't know if we even can deliver. Every donor (now customer) could sue us not only for money back but even for criminal cheating and also ask for recompensation for whatever damage we did to her/him. Thus I stuck out my neck as far as >>The spirit, idea and concept behind the
2014-05-28 15:34 <DocScrutinizer05> donation remains the same, so for our donors nothing relevant will change, but we can't do it with that fineprint we had so far[...] Legally this turns your donation from whatever it's right now in the notion of german Tax Office into a true clean donation to Neo900 UG,<<
2014-05-28 15:34 <DocScrutinizer05> and even >>whatever you choose from those two options, it will roll back any agreement you had with GDC. The Neo900 UG will stick to the spirit and result of same agreement in case you decide to transfer your donation.<< but that's not been enough for Nik.  -- he went >>Either Jörg makes a good neo900.org/something page clearly telling the rules instead of trying to hide something or I won't help with any direct transfer to him.[...
2014-05-28 15:34 <DocScrutinizer05> ]If he does not want to do this and save money or efforts, I don't understand why I should take any additional burdens from his shoulders. Does he think I am the one to solve his problems? And protect him from risks by generously taking them over? This is my last word to this topic, since I am repeating myself for several days.<<
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2014-05-28 15:39 <whitequark> seems like the last straw was you publishing the text without permission
2014-05-28 15:39 <whitequark> which isn't very nice imo
2014-05-28 15:40 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, this text been the text Dos1, wpwrak and *me* worked on for last three days. I don't think I need allowance by Nikolaus to publish it
2014-05-28 15:40 <DocScrutinizer05> copyright violation? ROTFL
2014-05-28 15:41 <whitequark> even if you don't legally need one, I would still ask him, as a courtesy... oh well, your decisions.
2014-05-28 15:41 <wpwrak> (must not promise) i think we all understand that. the keyword is "promise". that's what the lawyer was recommended for, basically to figure out how to make the assurances you want to give without turning them into a formal promise.
2014-05-28 15:42 <DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak: that's outright impossible
2014-05-28 15:42 <wpwrak> you know nothing, john snow ;-)
2014-05-28 15:43 <wpwrak> but yes, it's difficult. particularly since nik then may have to warn people what they're "losing" (in terms of formal promise, not your intentions, which don't change). and you have to agree with what that warning says.
2014-05-28 15:43 <DocScrutinizer05> when YOU have the 2 dozen lawyers to defend your ass from everybody and his dog PLUS tax office sueing you in *Germany* for scam and tax evation, then go ahead write that finerpint to your order page, which evades "promise" but still sounds nice to users
2014-05-28 15:44 <wpwrak> well, that's what some lawyers train for doing
2014-05-28 15:47 <wpwrak> and let's not forget that most of this conflict exists on your side, without even considering GDC, since you want both suggestion to the community and non-promise to the rest of the world. you have to give up something there, but there may be a way to make what you give up not so bad.
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2014-05-28 16:09 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry that's blabla
2014-05-28 16:10 <DocScrutinizer05> Nik insists in a legally binding pronise
2014-05-28 16:10 <DocScrutinizer05> promise, which my lawyers frobid. Nik refuses to continue even discussing the issue
2014-05-28 16:11 <DocScrutinizer05> don't expect me back befor next week
2014-05-28 16:13 <DocScrutinizer05> *I* have ZILCH problems with this transfer, GDC has problems offering their customers an option to decide where to refund them
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2014-05-28 16:38 <kristianpaul> https://www.privacyinternational.org/blog/what-does-gchq-know-about-our-devices-that-we-dont
2014-05-28 16:39 <whitequark> http://irclog.whitequark.org/qi-hardware/2014-05-23#9115239
2014-05-28 16:41 <kristianpaul> ah damn, i'm always behind the news..
2014-05-28 16:44 <wpwrak> five days !
2014-05-28 16:45 <kristianpaul> :'(
2014-05-28 16:45 <kristianpaul> I need to improved the topic keywords to highlight on my irssi
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2014-05-28 21:36 <whitequark> "
2014-05-28 21:36 <whitequark> There has been the question if we can directly transfer your refund to Neo900 UG.
2014-05-28 21:36 <whitequark> Let's say it this way: we don't recommend it. Because we don't know if you should agree the different conditions or not. If we recommend it, it means that we find the new conditions good and recommendable.
2014-05-28 21:36 <whitequark> But we transfer the money to any bank account you specify and instruct us.
2014-05-28 21:36 <whitequark> And, please use this "Notes" tool on the web shop order page (see link at the end of this mail) for providing the bank account data since it makes it a little easier to associate it to the order records.
2014-05-28 21:36 <whitequark> What we need:
2014-05-28 21:36 <whitequark> Name + IBAN (+BIC if you have it). If we have problems doing the transfer we will contact you.
2014-05-28 21:36 <whitequark> "
2014-05-28 21:44 <wpwrak> he's not so good with words today
2014-05-28 21:44 <wpwrak> well, tonight for him
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2014-05-28 22:05 <DocScrutinizer05> who's "we"?
2014-05-28 22:05 <DocScrutinizer05> pluralis majestatis?
2014-05-28 22:05 <whitequark> royal we, apparently
2014-05-28 22:06 <whitequark> I'm assuming you were kept in the dark about this announcement as well?
2014-05-28 22:06 <DocScrutinizer05> sure, which announcement?
2014-05-28 22:07 <whitequark> the text above just got mailed to all Neo900 contributors
2014-05-28 22:07 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm not a contributor
2014-05-28 22:08 <whitequark> well, duh; but as the head of Neo900 UG (right?) I would expect you to know about this change...
2014-05-28 22:09 <DocScrutinizer05> right, I'm head and CEO and only employee and member of Neo900 UG, and I don't receive anything like such info from GDC
2014-05-28 22:12 * DocScrutinizer05 looks at >>I don't have anything personally against Jörg (he is a nice guy and we share a lot of ideas and visions) and I am not chasing/stalking/bashing him<< and shrugs
2014-05-28 22:12 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: if you promise to behave, i'll forward it to you :)
2014-05-28 22:12 <DocScrutinizer05> I will behave, I#m afk in 5 min
2014-05-28 22:13 <wpwrak> very good :)
2014-05-28 22:13 <DocScrutinizer05> this whole kindergarden is way beyond what my tortured nind is able to cope with
2014-05-28 22:13 <DocScrutinizer05> mind*
2014-05-28 22:13 <wpwrak> it seems that everyone is tired ...
2014-05-28 22:13 <DocScrutinizer05> you have no idea!
2014-05-28 22:14 <DocScrutinizer05> when it seems my kbd hangs, it's me laying on the keys
2014-05-28 22:16 <DocScrutinizer05> just lemme forward a quote
2014-05-28 22:16 <DocScrutinizer05> [2014-05-28 Wed 18:14:24] <teleshoes> theres totally an implicit "i really think youd be wiser waiting for something else cooler"
2014-05-28 22:16 <DocScrutinizer05> [2014-05-28 Wed 18:14:44] <teleshoes> and an EXPLICIT downplaying of neo900
2014-05-28 22:16 <DocScrutinizer05> [2014-05-28 Wed 18:15:11] <teleshoes> he couldnt have picked a more passive-aggressive way of phrasing things if he tried, imo
2014-05-28 22:17 <wpwrak> i knew you'd bring that up :)
2014-05-28 22:18 <wpwrak> well, he does have some doubts whether you'll be able to run the project without GDC. you said yourself that you're not sure about this yourself, and need to think about it.
2014-05-28 22:19 <DocScrutinizer05> hahaha
2014-05-28 22:19 <wpwrak> now, he's expected to say something now. so it seems that his misgiving are creeping in. i don't think he does that intentionally. freudian slips all over it.
2014-05-28 22:19 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, this reads totally different here, and at teleshoes' end
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2014-05-28 22:20 <whitequark> that's really the worst possible way to handle the issue
2014-05-28 22:20 <whitequark> especially given he's a business owner and not just some random internet guy
2014-05-28 22:49 <whitequark> wpwrak: how do you call this kind of a wire fixture? http://imgur.com/O9xcgQu
2014-05-28 22:49 <whitequark> and the relevant thing that you put on the wire itself (damn terminology)
2014-05-28 22:51 <wpwrak> let's see ...
2014-05-28 22:52 <wpwrak> Terminal Blocks - Wire to Board ?
2014-05-28 22:53 <wpwrak> and the thingy would be the clamp
2014-05-28 22:54 <whitequark> "screw terminal" would describe it, wouldn't it?
2014-05-28 22:54 <wpwrak> see here for example
2014-05-28 22:55 <wpwrak> i suppose it would be understood, yes
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2014-05-28 23:26 <whitequark> http://lab.whitequark.org/notes/2014-05-29/cnc3020t-switch-mode-power-supply-conversion/
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2014-05-28 23:36 <wpwrak> hmm, open electronics cages in an environment with dust, soon also metal dust, water, ... ?
2014-05-28 23:45 <whitequark> wpwrak: it's shielded by an acrylic sheet
2014-05-28 23:45 <whitequark> and it was open before, the control box conveniently had large holes on the CNC-facing part
2014-05-28 23:45 <whitequark> because that fucking enormous transformer converted like 50% of input power to heat