2014-05-23 00:00 indeed I also wonder what they did to make those chip antennas. Watching the roundabout 2412 antenna of R0ket 2014-05-23 00:01 4.5mm length 2014-05-23 00:01 1,? mm wide 2014-05-23 00:02 http://www.r0ket.de/ the white thingie on top 2014-05-23 00:03 http://www.johansontechnology.com/images/stories/ip/rf-antennas/Antenna_2450AT42A100_08-29-2008.pdf 2014-05-23 00:04 quite small indeed 2014-05-23 00:06 average "gain" -1dBm 2014-05-23 00:06 which isn't bad at all for such a tiny critter 2014-05-23 00:21 rz2k has quit [] 2014-05-23 00:30 r0ket is completely awesome 2014-05-23 00:33 and they use one LED dual-use as ALS :-D 2014-05-23 00:34 "attention! when you enable the red charging LED, you can't detect ambient light level anymore" 2014-05-23 00:35 no time-sharing ? 2014-05-23 00:35 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if, when you pulse a LED with 2MHz, you could tell apart a white from a black paper covering the LED 2014-05-23 00:35 during the off periods 2014-05-23 00:35 with no ambient light 2014-05-23 00:37 kinda difficult to set up 2014-05-23 00:37 but try it :) 2014-05-23 00:38 anyway that's awesome design, almost like the stuff I take pride in designing. Just a LED and a series R connected to a multifunction MCU IO 2014-05-23 00:38 2 components for two functions 2014-05-23 00:38 plain brilliant 2014-05-23 00:39 you challenge for today is to also make it detect and emit sound. tomorrow, make it emit RF in the 900 MHz band ;-) 2014-05-23 00:39 hehe 2014-05-23 00:40 emit sound I guess I already achieved years ago. 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I set it to various values from 100mm/min to 1200mm/min, without too much difference 2014-05-23 12:06 2) getting a lot of coolant is *really* important. without coolant, no matter how slowly or quickly you go, the results are shit 2014-05-23 12:06 with coolant, it's the exact opposite 2014-05-23 12:07 without enough* 2014-05-23 12:07 and "enough", as I now see, means "you need a bucket under your table" 2014-05-23 12:07 about 1L per 5min 2014-05-23 12:10 so if you're fine with a matte, slightly rough surface, go 800mm/min. if you really need it to be transparent like glass, go for 100 2014-05-23 12:10 but in the latter case, prepare to haul water for forty minutes (I need to make it closed-loop or something.) 2014-05-23 12:16 hmm, odd. my acrylic doesn't act like yours. no overheating issues at all, but the finish is always rough, especially on areas where the mill worked from Z+ 2014-05-23 12:17 (water) how about getting a metal sheet to which you attach acrylic et al., then make a "dam" around it with silicone. then you can just flood the workpiece. 2014-05-23 12:19 that sounds too ad-hoc for me 2014-05-23 12:19 I like my idea much better, it's pretty simple 2014-05-23 12:20 the Al table, to which my wooden clamp attachment thing is mounted, already has slots, and the machine itself is slightly tilted to front 2014-05-23 12:20 I could just mount a water collecting thing in front of it, where the bulk of water will go, and drain it somewhere 2014-05-23 12:21 pro: no fiddling with silicone needed, no large quantities of water somehow stored in the machine and then drained via inexplicable ways 2014-05-23 12:21 con: slightly more complex 2014-05-23 12:22 wpwrak: it may be relevant that I use an endmill with diamond pattern 2014-05-23 12:22 as I understand, it's basically for fiberglass, and it heavily rubs the material, hence all the heating 2014-05-23 12:23 in principle one should use a 1-flute endmill for that, but I've had limited success obtaining endmills with the properties I want so far 2014-05-23 12:24 wpwrak: (finish) with the "FUCKING DROWN IT ALL™" technique I can get a finish where the (milled) side is almost indistinguishable from the (cast) surface 2014-05-23 12:24 it's not *entirely* smoothly transparent, but it's pretty close 2014-05-23 12:25 I think I can get it to be completely transparent by going even slower and with better fixture to avoid miniscule shifts of workpiece between layers 2014-05-23 12:25 (if I try to mill the entire depth of workpiece, it appears that the supply of coolant is inadequate, as it cannot get to the very bottom of the hole) 2014-05-23 12:31 (smooth finish) maybe i should try a diamond pattern too :) 2014-05-23 12:31 always used 2-flute so far 2014-05-23 12:36 maybe you should try using coolant? 2014-05-23 12:36 (2-flute) how fast/slow does your machine go? 2014-05-23 12:36 * DocScrutinizer05 just wondered how much (in kg of gold) a mill bit with embedded channels for feeding coolant directly to the blades would be 2014-05-23 12:37 wpwrak: the idea with 1-flute endmills is that they're good for crappy desktop router machines, which have sync motors which are only efficient when going really fast 2014-05-23 12:37 but maybe when I register a patent, I even could afford one or two of those critters from what the patent earns me X-P 2014-05-23 12:37 so you have twice lower MRR with same rpm and same hp 2014-05-23 12:38 if your machine has an async motor which can go slow, using 2-flute endmill is just as fine 2014-05-23 12:38 DocScrutinizer05: there are actually tool chucks with embedded coolant channels 2014-05-23 12:38 I don't think there are actual endmills, but who knows 2014-05-23 12:38 thought as much. CRAP 2014-05-23 12:38 another wasted patent 2014-05-23 12:40 I guess with a laser tool you even could build endmills with such channels "drilled" into them 2014-05-23 12:41 DocScrutinizer05: "coolant-through cutting tools" is the right google query 2014-05-23 12:41 o.O 2014-05-23 12:41 WHOA 2014-05-23 12:41 http://www.guhring.com/ProductsServices/Tools/?Type=EMCF 2014-05-23 12:41 this is literally what you are talking about 2014-05-23 12:41 YAY, EXACTLY! 2014-05-23 12:42 knew it, again too late for patenting ;-P 2014-05-23 12:43 I wonder how expensive it is 2014-05-23 12:43 $74: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Guhring-7-8-Solid-Carbide-8-1-2-Long-Drill-Through-Coolant-875-guehring-/121347428842 2014-05-23 12:44 usually around $50 2014-05-23 12:45 sure, but they start at 6mm. Thought as much 2014-05-23 12:45 getting a 1.5mm will be impossible 2014-05-23 12:45 prolly possible, but it will seriously degrade structural quality 2014-05-23 12:46 hm, how do you make endmills? 2014-05-23 12:46 casting? 2014-05-23 12:46 hardly, but you need purified water to not clog the laser holes 2014-05-23 12:46 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-05-23 12:46 (hardly decrease struct integr) 2014-05-23 12:46 well, then just run it in an open-loop system? 2014-05-23 12:46 sure 2014-05-23 12:46 bring fresh (even tap) water in, collect wet chips outside 2014-05-23 12:47 which btw is anyway the cheapest 2014-05-23 12:47 say just in a huge tank and wait for it to evaporta 2014-05-23 12:47 evaporate* 2014-05-23 12:47 or just filter 2014-05-23 12:47 Melitta coffee filter will do a great job for that 2014-05-23 12:47 or do like NPO Mayak does it with radioactive waste and just dump it to the nearest lake 2014-05-23 12:47 lol 2014-05-23 12:48 you heard that story? 2014-05-23 12:48 nope 2014-05-23 12:48 ooooh you will LOVE it 2014-05-23 12:48 prolly not 2014-05-23 12:48 NPO Mayak is russia's nuclear waste processing / warhead plutonium extracting facility, built really long ago by soviets 2014-05-23 12:48 just the usual idiocy and moral corruptness 2014-05-23 12:49 they were once going to collect the highly active waste in reservoirs, but it turned out that it's too radioactive for that 2014-05-23 12:49 we see almost exactly same in Italy all over 2014-05-23 12:49 with toxic waste 2014-05-23 12:49 so they literally dump it into three lakes around the facility. near the outlet, 1hr spent in a lake is immediately lethal 2014-05-23 12:49 it's *that* active 2014-05-23 12:49 actually my estimates based on current data is that after 20 min, you aren't even going to get out of the lake 2014-05-23 12:50 they also have accidents fairly regularly 2014-05-23 12:50 great location for holiday and fetch souvenirs 2014-05-23 12:50 once there was an accident, in which the *head of nuclear safery* grossly neglected the aforementioned safety, went into a hugely contaminated area and promptly died there 2014-05-23 12:50 just think about it for a minute 2014-05-23 12:50 LOL 2014-05-23 12:50 rotfl 2014-05-23 12:51 they were transferring 70L of very active Pu-containing liquid, the worker who was doing it accidentally caused criticality, was scared by flash and cracked the container 2014-05-23 12:51 which for some inexplicable reason was made of fucking glass 2014-05-23 12:51 maybe they should fill it into vodka bottles 2014-05-23 12:51 so now they have a huge plutonium puddle 2014-05-23 12:52 ooh criticality incidents, one of my fav wiki pages 2014-05-23 12:52 head of nuclear safety goes in and does some shit (don't remember exactly) with the puddle and the rest of container, causes *another* criticality accident and gets enough dose to die in a day or so 2014-05-23 12:52 like how fucking dumb exactly do you need to be 2014-05-23 12:53 to work in such facility? dunno, inevaluable 2014-05-23 12:53 they also irradiated several million people downwind across the five decades the facility is operating, to significant levels 2014-05-23 12:53 it was all denied until quite recently 2014-05-23 12:54 no one was even told they were at risk, much less given preventative measures 2014-05-23 12:54 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticality_accident 2014-05-23 12:54 and on the river that gets quite some of the water from said lakes, there are still three villages 2014-05-23 12:54 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayak 2014-05-23 12:55 the whole facility looks like something out of a cliché video game 2014-05-23 12:55 and operates 2014-05-23 12:55 Russian justice: we are poisoning our own people, so why the heck should we worry about poisoning the globe 2014-05-23 12:56 (head of safety) well, you could call his actions heroic :) remember K-19 ... 2014-05-23 12:56 K-19? 2014-05-23 12:56 it seems to be a common theme in soviet interpretation of nuclear safety 2014-05-23 12:57 see also: Semipalatinsk nuclear range, with several hundred underground detonations, again without any info or protection to the residents whatsoever 2014-05-23 12:57 (irradiated people) that's how homo sapiens radians was created :) 2014-05-23 12:57 yep, awesome 2014-05-23 12:57 or the infamous military training 2014-05-23 12:57 most of those detonations been for hydrogen gas though, iirc 2014-05-23 12:57 when the soviets dropped a bomb on their own territory and within a hour marched an army over that 2014-05-23 12:57 US did same 2014-05-23 12:58 "we need to test that case" 2014-05-23 12:58 afaik, the US at least pretended to take some precautions, or just told the soldiers what exactly they were dealing for 2014-05-23 12:58 soviets did neither 2014-05-23 12:58 no fucks about safety given whatsoever--except for the officers, of course 2014-05-23 12:59 usual 2014-05-23 12:59 (k-19) a russian nuclear sub that had a reactor problem while at sea. people went in with chemical protection suits to fix it. eventually they succeeded, but ... 2014-05-23 12:59 a soldier is cheaper than a full body protective siut 2014-05-23 12:59 there's a movie on it,. K-19: The Windowmaker. quite worth watching. 2014-05-23 12:59 yeah 2014-05-23 12:59 know it 2014-05-23 12:59 DocScrutinizer05: semipalatinsk has seen about 498 nuclear and themonuclear explosions 2014-05-23 13:00 well, they were supposed to have such suits on board. but then, i guess russian logostics aren't up to, say, german standards ... 2014-05-23 13:00 oops, I mixed that with your toxic waste site 2014-05-23 13:01 whitequark: well, once upon a time, the us sent soldiers into bomb fallout, too. you russians are just a little late in stopping the atrocities ;) 2014-05-23 13:02 wpwrak: it has happened at about the same period 2014-05-23 13:02 the fallout exercise: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totskoye_nuclear_exercise 2014-05-23 13:04 "Even the soldiers who participated in the exercise did not know that they had taken part.[3] The government congratulated the local population for their heroism in providing the nuclear shield for their Motherland." 2014-05-23 13:05 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-23 13:06 compare to Desert Rock: "Their purpose was to train troops and gain knowledge of military maneuvers and operations on the nuclear battlefield. They included observer programs, tactical maneuvers, and damage effects tests." 2014-05-23 13:06 atommann has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-23 13:06 what the US did was quite evil, but it was at least remotely sane. also, up to 20k participants 2014-05-23 13:06 the soviet approach is just plain deranged 2014-05-23 13:06 45k people! 2014-05-23 13:07 1944 Los Alamos (first criticality eccident) is still my fav one 2014-05-23 13:07 accident* 2014-05-23 13:08 first *fatal* accident, that is 2014-05-23 13:09 Louis Slotin 2014-05-23 13:10 and before him, Harry K. Daghlian 2014-05-23 13:10 but Harry K. Daghlian took 25 years to die from the accident 2014-05-23 13:10 err days 2014-05-23 13:11 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders when coffee will start to kick in 2014-05-23 13:13 30 December 1958 Cecil Kelley, also brilliant epic failure, though the operator probably was innocent victim 2014-05-23 13:13 the error pattern itself however is awesome 2014-05-23 13:14 you can watch it in your teacup every day, when you use sugar in your tea 2014-05-23 13:15 Wood River Junction -- epic 2014-05-23 13:16 well, 20k vs. 45k doesn't sound like such a huge difference ... 2014-05-23 13:17 Luke-Jr has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-05-23 13:17 LOL! >>The shift supervisor then deceived the radiation control supervisor and entered the room of the incident and possibly attempted to pour the solution down a floor drain, causing a large nuclear reaction that irradiated the shift supervisor with a fatal dose of radiation.<< 2014-05-23 13:18 Luke-Jr has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-23 13:18 I can't help but I love russian mentality 2014-05-23 13:19 yep yep, that's the accident I was talking about 2014-05-23 13:19 let me get more details 2014-05-23 13:20 snufkin has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-23 13:23 I've seen an official report somewhere which really elaborated on the incredible stupidity that caused it, but I can't find it again 2014-05-23 13:23 also, it's in Russian anyway 2014-05-23 13:23 take a look at this: http://www.yabloko.ru/Publ/Atom/atom00018.html 2014-05-23 13:24 Intermediate-and low-level LRW continue to dump into Lake Karachay, and it remains a potential source of large-scale radiation accident in the case of ash contaminated water under the influence of possible tornadoes. Formed near Lake Karachai lens contaminated groundwater continues to move to the river Mishelyak. Its boundary to the nitrate ion in a southerly direction reached Valley Mishelyak. "Mayak" is largely limited to passive monitorin 2014-05-23 13:24 I never know if it's soviet every day situation or a painting of H.R. giger 2014-05-23 13:25 even funnier: NPO Mayak doesn't have the license for operation of hydraulic structures by our own federal law 2014-05-23 13:25 I could bet on that 2014-05-23 13:26 hydraulic structures are not supposed to be used for any type of radioctive material processing 2014-05-23 13:27 it would be like me having a permission to handle Pu because I build electronic devices 2014-05-23 13:28 well, I mean, they could in principle get a license for building an artifical lake, without specifying any concrete purpose 2014-05-23 13:28 but welp, why bother 2014-05-23 13:28 you can just dig a hole and fill it with boiling plutonium waste 2014-05-23 13:31 just don't make conclusions about "russian mentality", as you called it, based on your quite frankly limited knowledge about Russia 2014-05-23 13:32 a cavalier approach to danger *is* something you can clearly observe in practically any industry 2014-05-23 13:37 wpwrak: congrats with participation in Neo900 project! This should've happened long ago :) 2014-05-23 13:48 ah wpwrak contributed to Neo900? 2014-05-23 13:59 snufkin has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-05-23 13:59 snufkin has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-23 14:00 according to the latest announcement, Werner is now the crew member 2014-05-23 14:26 "a" member ;) 2014-05-23 14:27 "the crew member" would be indicative of a bit of a problem 2014-05-23 14:34 it was "a" at first, but then i thought that the article belongs to "crew" and therefore woudl indicate "some" crew :) 2014-05-23 14:37 it was a good theory, but unfortunately incorrect ;-) 2014-05-23 14:38 yeah, i was just finding excuses :) 2014-05-23 14:42 it suddenly occured to me that there are no native English speakers here 2014-05-23 14:42 i don't know what's "here" but anyway 2014-05-23 14:43 at the moment, this may indeed be true 2014-05-23 14:45 * wpwrak notices that, after 3rd or 4th time, making a new variant of some layout (from scratch, else it wouldn't be fun), gets remarkably easy 2014-05-23 14:47 what are you going to do for Neo? 2014-05-23 14:47 what's your mission ? :) 2014-05-23 15:07 at the moment, mainly moral support :) then checking things, schematics and such. later on, possibly take care of QA (production testing procedures) 2014-05-23 15:17 cool! 2014-05-23 15:18 please integrate anelok in the neo900 design :p 2014-05-23 15:18 so that the phone can do password safe as well 2014-05-23 15:21 atommann has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-05-23 15:21 ;-)) 2014-05-23 15:21 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-23 15:22 i wonder it i should try to sneak in idbg :) 2014-05-23 15:34 atommann has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-23 15:54 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-23 16:06 snufkintardis has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-23 16:09 snufkin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-05-23 16:11 snufkin has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-23 16:14 snufkintardis has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-05-23 16:19 snufkintardis has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-23 16:23 snufkin has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-05-23 16:34 atommann has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-05-23 16:40 FDCX has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-05-23 16:41 too late 2014-05-23 16:41 FDCX has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-23 16:41 Nik been faster than you 2014-05-23 16:42 snufkin has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-23 16:43 kyak: what else do you suggest I should base my conclusions on? 2014-05-23 16:43 wpwrak: are you registered to ML meanwhile? 2014-05-23 16:45 snufkintardis has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-05-23 16:46 (idbg) still the probably better design, go suggest it - after reviewing whet we got so far 2014-05-23 16:46 what 2014-05-23 16:57 snufkintardis has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-23 17:00 snufkin has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-05-23 17:03 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-05-23 17:05 DocScrutinizer05: you mean the -devel list ? yup 2014-05-23 17:05 fine 2014-05-23 17:06 maybe you want to /join #neo900 too? 2014-05-23 17:07 * wpwrak stretches the screen a little ... 2014-05-23 17:48 uwe_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-05-23 18:10 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-23 18:15 snufkintardiz has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-23 18:18 snufkintardis has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-05-23 18:18 snufkin has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-23 18:21 snufkintardiz has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2014-05-23 18:31 whoa, interesting: https://www.privacyinternational.org/blog/what-does-gchq-know-about-our-devices-that-we-dont 2014-05-23 18:31 GCHQ destroyed the keyboard, trackpad controllers and *inverter* on the motherboard of their computers 2014-05-23 18:31 (while erasing the snowden's cache from them) 2014-05-23 18:37 snufkintardis has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-23 18:40 snufkin has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-05-23 18:42 wolfspra1l has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-23 18:46 wolfspra1l has quit [Client Quit] 2014-05-23 19:00 snufkintardis has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-05-23 19:02 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-05-23 19:02 snufkin has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-23 19:07 snufkintardis has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-23 19:10 snufkin has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-05-23 19:10 snufkintardis has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 2014-05-23 19:11 snufkintardis has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-23 19:15 snufkintardis has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-05-23 19:34 rz2k has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2014-05-23 19:35 meh, fools. Don't they see that it's not about the *original* chips but about some fake that acts as keylogger or storage device in addition to the generic (e.g.) keymatrix decoder? It's completely nonsensical to investigate what can get stored on a usual keyboard controller, the question for GCHQ been if it maybe was more than just a keyboard controller 2014-05-23 19:37 I bet the monitor also been attached via USB in addition to the usual VGA, or it used a HDMI or whatever, that also allows similar attaching of peripherals 2014-05-23 19:38 whatever they call "inverter", I don't care to much, given the ignorance they expose by approaching this investigation 2014-05-23 19:40 >>Due to the generality of this component, it is difficult to ascertain what role this plays in the overall operation of the device, however we believe this component is similar in function to the chip described here.<< yep, exactly 2014-05-23 19:40 why did they damage the PCB in such as way though, instead of simply desoldering the chip? 2014-05-23 19:41 rather interesting however is that GCHQ thinks they can destroy data by destroying hardware.What makes them think there's no copy anywhere 2014-05-23 19:41 the trackpad chip (it's supposed to be a 2Mbit SPI flash) and the inverter are easier to desolder than to mill 2014-05-23 19:42 maybe they're just trolling us ;) 2014-05-23 19:42 sb0_: do you really think they had a good reason and rationale for that activity? 2014-05-23 19:42 of course they are trolling 2014-05-23 19:42 trolling the guardian 2014-05-23 19:42 "let's just damage some chips to show we've done some voodoo"? 2014-05-23 19:43 let's just damage some stuff at "the guardian" to let them know we can do that 2014-05-23 19:44 they sent their cleaner team which did a proper job of destroying everything that might have a storage built in - not per default off the shelf but technically, by somebody who wantsa to hide such storage 2014-05-23 19:45 DocScrutinizer05: yeah, that's the consensus of my... ahem, twitter stream as well 2014-05-23 19:46 so: all USB attachable devices, all devices attached to any other data bus, all storage devices of course 2014-05-23 19:46 hm 2014-05-23 19:46 first, I am not high. second, I think that our solar system and my vacuum cleaner are markedly similar in some qualities 2014-05-23 19:47 and probably they weren't even very religious about it since they knew the guardian has copies anyway 2014-05-23 19:48 or rather, I think you can model curved spacetime with air, some shit floating in it and movement of it, instead of the boring old rubber-table-and-steel-ball thingy 2014-05-23 19:48 I've seen this air stream do some funky things like take a particle and accelerate it immensely rather than vacuuming up 2014-05-23 19:48 and also it bends streams of running water in a really fascinating way 2014-05-23 19:49 wait till it sucks up the water, this will get really funny 2014-05-23 19:49 I doubt your first statement ;-P 2014-05-23 19:49 it was actually my first idea for addressing the "flood" in "flood coolant" 2014-05-23 19:49 instead of, I dunno, placing a bucket under the table 2014-05-23 19:50 1) the vacuum cleaner sucks up water *really* well 2014-05-23 19:50 2) it turns it into fine mist that goes through all filters 2014-05-23 19:50 3) suddenly you have a lake in your room 2014-05-23 19:50 oddly, the vacuum itself doesn't really seem to mind such treatment 2014-05-23 19:52 I also tried connecting its inlet to its outlet and pouring water in it, but it doesn't seem to form a loop very well 2014-05-23 19:52 I think I have to restate that I'm not high, I'm just curious 2014-05-23 19:55 did you ever place a PC under water, out of curiosity how well that works? 2014-05-23 19:56 what did you think where the water is supposed to stay, given that's a usual dry-vacuum that doesn't have any sort of a tank for the water? 2014-05-23 19:57 btw it's amazing how long it takes until a usual motor running at 220V AC will desintegrate and break when operated under water 2014-05-23 19:58 I take it you've checked that experimentally? :D 2014-05-23 19:59 (PC) not. not yet 2014-05-23 19:59 can take days until electrolytic effects destroyed the cables or other parts, or the bearings go rotten 2014-05-23 19:59 but for sure they eventually will 2014-05-23 19:59 hmm 2014-05-23 20:04 uwe_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-23 20:07 I suggest you use a usual bucket with lid (often used to sell e.g. 10L of soap in it, or similar) and cut a hole into middle of the lid for vacuum, and a second hole at the outer end of the lid for a tube that sucks your water into the bucket 2014-05-23 20:08 ideally the tube is bent or mounted in a way so it gives a circular momentum to whatever goes into the bucket 2014-05-23 20:08 so air and water is spinning along the inner side of the bucket, thus separating water from air 2014-05-23 20:09 I again doubt your statement about being high :-) 2014-05-23 20:09 maybe some solvents or whatever? ;-) 2014-05-23 20:11 uwe_mobile has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-23 20:12 you're still alive? or already electrocuted by a vacuum cleaner filled with water? 2014-05-23 20:13 also beware of oxyhydrogen gas! 2014-05-23 20:16 * DocScrutinizer05 starts to worry 2014-05-23 20:20 whitequark: did you test the PC now? 2014-05-23 21:09 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-23 21:13 snufkin has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-23 21:24 DocScrutinizer05: was doing some shit 2014-05-23 21:24 I mean, I was milling out the water collector suggestion I elaborated to wpwrak earlier 2014-05-23 21:25 wpwrak: http://imgur.com/sv9UYzx so this is the kind of finish I get at 250mm/min 2014-05-23 21:25 not too bad eh? 2014-05-23 21:25 could probably get it better by going even slower, but I'm impatient 2014-05-23 21:26 [3252722.898577] WARNING: CPU: 1 PID: 22571 at /build/linux-oxWk_8/linux-3.13.7/fs/sysfs/group.c:214 device_del+0x3b/0x1b0() 2014-05-23 21:26 [3252722.898579] sysfs group ffffffff8187f3a0 not found for kobject 'target53:0:0' 2014-05-23 21:27 what the FUCK is wrong with you linux 2014-05-23 21:27 ambient radiation too hard for the RAM ? 2014-05-23 21:27 $ uptime 01:27:44 up 46 days 2014-05-23 21:28 not bad for a laptop. maybe ambient radiation, yes 2014-05-23 21:28 (finish) looks nice 2014-05-23 21:28 and this is the, uh, setup I made to make that: http://imgur.com/a/EFCuR 2014-05-23 21:29 the pump is a russian-made one, a spare part for Moskvich (a russian car) 2014-05-23 21:29 snufkintardis has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-23 21:29 it stands in a container because its case broke within 5 minutes when I first ran it, and it leaks water like crazy 2014-05-23 21:29 which was, frankly, not surprising 2014-05-23 21:30 (car pump) then we know the origin of the radiation :) 2014-05-23 21:30 the keyboard is NOT soaked in water, it stands about 2cm over the, uhhh, river 2014-05-23 21:31 ;-)) 2014-05-23 21:32 let's codename your setup "crazy ivan" :) 2014-05-23 21:32 snufkin has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-05-23 21:34 we could give it a typical russian military codename, say, "Chrysanthema" 2014-05-23 21:35 or "Pinocchio" (I shit you not, it's an actual one, for this: http://www.capital.ua/uploads/news/2014/05/08/e055b1a682b7fb5c987fdc9903ef12a15f9b20e9.jpg) 2014-05-23 21:35 there's also handcuffs "Tenderness" 2014-05-23 21:36 i think in WW2 these were called "stalinorgel" by the germans (stalin's organ, where organ = musical instrument) 2014-05-23 21:38 (tenderness) hmm. https://plus.google.com/102512865795399405593/posts/6UTZZaiVg2E 2014-05-23 21:38 about right 2014-05-23 21:38 wolfspraul has quit [Quit: leaving] 2014-05-23 21:39 we also have a police baton "Argument" 2014-05-23 21:39 and a few more in that vein 2014-05-23 21:40 "convincer" ;-) 2014-05-23 21:56 "lart" been too geeky, I guess 2014-05-23 21:57 btw is this normal that those imgur photos take ~30s with 100% on one core to render? 2014-05-23 21:59 do they decompress jpg in javascript now? 2014-05-23 22:08 DocScrutinizer05: no, I just take them in highest resolution my camera can 2014-05-23 22:08 it takes ~a second to decode with (ridiculously overoptimized) chrome on (ridiculously overpowered) ivy bridge cpu 2014-05-23 22:08 imgur really oughta to make thumbnails 2014-05-23 22:08 s,to,, 2014-05-23 22:09 * whitequark sighs 2014-05-23 22:09 fuck this is hard 2014-05-23 22:09 speeds and feeds are hard, proper fixturing is hard 2014-05-23 22:10 there's a reason why we call it "hardware" :) 2014-05-23 22:10 fucking wood growing due to absorbing water and screwing up my Z calibration and making endmill go too deep and breaking six of them is too fucking hard 2014-05-23 22:10 fuck it is 2am 2014-05-23 22:10 (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ 2014-05-23 22:10 I should buy endmills in bulk or something 2014-05-23 22:10 these chinese guys probably will give me a discount for a 1000 2014-05-23 22:11 the problem is that the 1.5mm endmill is quite sturdy, e.g. it can do aforementioned 1200mm/min in acrylic 2014-05-23 22:11 but the inner corners are WAY too roundy 2014-05-23 22:11 and 1.0mm is really weak, you've gotta do no more than 250mm/min and not plunge it more than .8mm layer at a time 2014-05-23 22:12 the inner corners still suck, but somewhat less 2014-05-23 22:12 and I can't find a fucking file to make corners straight in the entire moscow, the only one I could find is flat, and I need one with rectangular section 2014-05-23 22:13 sb0_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2014-05-23 22:13 I'm going to go sleep before I start RANTING IN ALL CAPS 2014-05-23 22:13 sb0_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-23 22:15 hm, this looks ok: http://zubr.uragan-instrument.ru/nabor-nadfilej-16021-2-H10.html 2014-05-23 22:15 snufkintardiz has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-23 22:19 snufkintardis has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 2014-05-23 22:21 sb0_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-05-23 22:41 snufkintardiz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]