2014-05-21 00:07 ok is this a fire inside a nuclear plant or just a shadow and smoke http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-20/caught-camera-fire-fukushima 2014-05-21 00:07 at 1:16 into the video 2014-05-21 00:46 this is cubism art, with somebody bringing a tad of color into it by car light 2014-05-21 00:56 dos1 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-05-21 01:03 something to think about for future design http://www.ti.com/lit/ml/slyt570/slyt570.pdf?hootPostID=42e89e944eaefe8d7faf69672a5dbeda (Adapting Qi-compliant wireless-power 2014-05-21 01:03 solutions to low-power wearable products) 2014-05-21 01:03 DocScrutinizer05: cubism art ? you always come out with words that sounds circuitry to me .. heheh 2014-05-21 01:31 looks like nano pcduino3 is in the pipeline http://pcduino.com/forum/index.php?topic=4449.0 2014-05-21 01:42 luckily, it doesn't seem to be yet another *duino*. people do seem to grow up :) 2014-05-21 01:45 nfc what that's meant to be. some cheesy green and black sketch and people asking all sorts of seemingly unrelated questions 2014-05-21 01:46 I gather the real source of info is somewhere else? 2014-05-21 01:47 e.g I can't see what switching of cam interface somebody could read out of that green mockup 2014-05-21 01:48 >>I don't know about this camera interface, but the ability and power this board has is pretty cool.<< aha! 2014-05-21 01:50 atommann has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-21 01:51 found the "root" page. sorry no excitement here 2014-05-21 01:54 atommann has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-05-21 02:53 rz2k has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-05-21 03:04 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-21 03:15 just had an idea which making sandwich to buy a used old sandwich press for baking pcb 2014-05-21 03:15 much easier and cheaper no ? 2014-05-21 03:18 something like this http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/hornsby/small-appliances/breville-sandwich-press/1046269842 2014-05-21 03:53 xiangfu has quit [Quit: leaving] 2014-05-21 05:46 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-21 06:57 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-21 07:17 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-21 07:31 sb0 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-21 10:02 wpwrak: http://www.eeweb.com/freedomcontest 2014-05-21 10:46 suuuure .... "design with [...] online tools". bondage meets idiots ? 2014-05-21 10:49 hehe 2014-05-21 10:54 _free_ online tools 2014-05-21 11:10 jekhor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-05-21 11:11 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-21 11:16 paul_boddie has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-21 11:17 They could have at least checked the "more information" link to Digi-Key. Not a great advert for a product when you get a 404. :-) 2014-05-21 11:21 And Freescale excludes Quebecois and Puerto Ricans: are they trying to reproduce the same kind of controversy that the penultimate Seinfeld episode generated? 2014-05-21 11:23 nicksydney: Is that a new business model: go and get a panini and have the shop bake your PCB at the same time? :-) 2014-05-21 11:23 paul_boddie: nice idea but will not work :) 2014-05-21 11:25 Given that a shop near where I live turned from being an Indian take-away to a mobile repair shop, don't underestimate the diversification potential of the average food vendor! 2014-05-21 11:28 don't know whether this is true or rumor only --- (Rockchip rumored Intel strategic investments in three layers of meaning) http://info.dianlake.com/tag/rockchip-rumored-intel-strategic-investments-in-three-layers-of-meaning 2014-05-21 11:30 Great machine translation from Chinese! Three layers of meaning at the very least. Three layers of truth as well. :-) 2014-05-21 11:30 "This led rockchip has been unable to login to local capital markets." 2014-05-21 11:31 They've changed the password! 2014-05-21 11:32 hahahahaaha 2014-05-21 11:32 Perhaps Rockchip has to get a new password sent by e-mail. And fast! 2014-05-21 11:33 nicksydney: Did you have the patience to understand any of it? I guess they mean to say that Intel is sniffing around looking for a cheap way in to ARM markets. 2014-05-21 11:33 paul_boddie: pretty much that's the summary 2014-05-21 11:35 And the share price? Or is the intent of the article to manipulate it? Anyone wanting to do that would probably need to pay some Wall Street type to write it up in a "respectable" outlet, though. 2014-05-21 11:36 we will see in few days whether this is a hoax or true 2014-05-21 11:39 wpwrak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCG4daPvuVI (Kicad Interactive Router) 2014-05-21 11:44 jekhor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-05-21 11:45 wow! the router is awesome ! 2014-05-21 11:45 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-21 11:48 They could make a game out of that! 2014-05-21 11:55 hmm 2014-05-21 11:57 nicksydney: Rockchip doesn't seem to be listed anywhere, so they don't have a "financial cloud" login, maybe only one for a private "military-industrial financial cloud". ;-) 2014-05-21 12:20 (router) pretty neat. and he doesn't even use the grid. one problem is that it depends on opengl, though. that'll be very very slow. 2014-05-21 12:21 jekhor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-05-21 12:22 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-21 12:23 hmm? 2014-05-21 12:23 why would opengl would be very slow? 2014-05-21 12:24 opengl usually means that you have to use either closed drivers or mesa and mesa is slow 2014-05-21 12:25 supposedly there are now some accelerations possible with the open drivers as well, but i've never seen this in real life 2014-05-21 12:25 well, living in the past century because there are no open drivers is dumb 2014-05-21 12:25 i need to be able to modify my kernels 2014-05-21 12:26 huh? 2014-05-21 12:26 what prevents you from doing this with, say, nvidia? 2014-05-21 12:26 binary driver = kernel is locked down 2014-05-21 12:26 what? 2014-05-21 12:27 I think I'm using a custom kernel with a binary driver right now, here 2014-05-21 12:27 well, i could go back to whatever kernel they did their driver for. but then i'd be disconnected from current development. so that doens't work either. 2014-05-21 12:27 well, you're probably not doing linux kernel development. 2014-05-21 12:27 if you're just a user, then you can do such things 2014-05-21 12:28 wpwrak: oh also, you've forgot the intel driver 2014-05-21 12:28 it works well enough for, say, games. it clearly will handle some measly CAD--I mean, it handles a real CAD here 2014-05-21 12:28 and it's fully FOSS 2014-05-21 12:28 yes, intel drivers are great. but my desktop hardware doesn't have intel graphics. didn't exist in that category back then 2014-05-21 12:29 yeah, that can be an issue 2014-05-21 12:29 How old is your desktop hardware? Even my almost ten-year-old desktop has Intel 3D-capable graphics support. 2014-05-21 12:29 i could use my netbook, but i doubt this would speed things up ;) 2014-05-21 12:30 paul_boddie: should be around 6 years. it's a Q6600 2014-05-21 12:30 with triple-head 2014-05-21 12:35 Mine is the 865 chipset, if I recall correctly. Not great, but certainly not the earliest Intel integrated graphics product, either. 2014-05-21 12:40 dunno what mine has. maybe something like Q3[135] ? i think it has to be a Q-something because of the Q6600. 2014-05-21 12:41 The 8xx series are probably the first or second generation. They probably then redid the whole thing in subsequent generations. 2014-05-21 12:45 865G: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets#Pentium_4_chipsets 2014-05-21 12:46 mine may be an Asus P5K, P35 chipset. http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P5K/specifications/ 2014-05-21 12:46 Ah, second generation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Extreme_Graphics#Second_generation 2014-05-21 12:48 they changed it twice just between Westmere and Ivy Bridge 2014-05-21 12:49 and then once again for Haswell 2014-05-21 12:51 hmm, my rv610 should in theory have acceleration support 2014-05-21 12:55 the G72 (nv46) so-so 2014-05-21 12:59 hmm, glxinfo says Yes/No/... then segfaults 2014-05-21 13:02 funny. glxgears is smooth on the nouveau, at 30 fps (it says). it's bumpy on the radeon, at a stunning 68 fps. gotta love them benchmarks :) 2014-05-21 13:04 glxgears is not a benchmark 2014-05-21 13:04 glxspheres is more like it (still bad though) 2014-05-21 13:07 hmm, ubuntu doesn't even know that one 2014-05-21 13:38 mesa-utils 2014-05-21 13:55 i have mesa-utils. must be something very new or optional then 2014-05-21 13:55 hm 2014-05-21 13:56 upgrading now .. let's see what happens 2014-05-21 13:56 oh, apparently it's from virtualgl 2014-05-21 13:56 and in mesa-utils in post-13.10 2014-05-21 14:03 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-05-21 14:57 excuse my ignorance, but don't all manufacturers provide their closed driver blobs in an open wrapper now that compiles fine with whatever kernel you want to build it for? 2014-05-21 14:59 or has this successfully been defeated by the insane GPL3 and associated effort who tried to force those closed drivers to be a GPL violation? 2014-05-21 15:04 even that would yield a patchfest, since that wrapper obviously couldn't be part of the vanilla kernel 2014-05-21 15:05 and the closed drivers have more problems, e.g., that your hardware may suddenly become unsupported 2014-05-21 15:05 and they you're stuck as well. they seem to be pretty bad in that regard, apparently operating as if this was windows 2014-05-21 15:11 wpwrak: its not bumpy at 68fps, its not framesynced, thus looks bumpy when interferrence hits 2014-05-21 15:13 hmm. not sure if that's what's happening. it looks as if the wheels would simply turn very slowly. this doesn't look like bad sync. well, unless bad sync means that many intermediate frames are lost without trace. 2014-05-21 15:13 only really new nv and ati cards need binaries besides the embedded cruft. the rest of the gpus has foss drivers. (intel, all ati/nv older than 2 years) 2014-05-21 15:14 yeah, all mine are pretty old :) 2014-05-21 15:14 nvidia recently removed their kernel component from their closed driver, replacing it with the foss one (drm/dri stuff) 2014-05-21 15:14 jup. dont worry.. anybody but gamers can have foss drivers now. 2014-05-21 15:14 even bunnie gets some ;) 2014-05-21 15:16 well, let's see if ububtu 14.04 handles this any better than 13.10 ... 2014-05-21 15:21 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-21 15:24 michael_lee has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-21 15:59 paul_boddie has left #qi-hardware [#qi-hardware] 2014-05-21 16:20 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2014-05-21 16:31 root_empire has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-21 16:32 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-21 16:33 michael_lee has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-05-21 16:52 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-21 17:22 dos1 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-21 18:24 root_empire has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2014-05-21 18:35 wpwrak has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-05-21 18:37 wpwrak has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-21 18:39 hmm, first boot after upgrade: triple-head is gone :-( 2014-05-21 18:40 the glxgears turn fast, though :) 2014-05-21 18:42 DocScrutinizer05: what do you mean " successfully been defeated by the insane GPL3", doesn't sound like my memory of the gpl3 2014-05-21 18:42 let's see if i can get some more heads back .... 2014-05-21 18:42 wpwrak has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-05-21 18:43 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2014-05-21 18:44 wpwrak has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-21 18:48 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-05-21 18:49 wpwrak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-05-21 18:50 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-21 19:47 wpwrak has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-21 19:49 hmm, mixed impressions with the new kicad: eeschema got slower. changing the rendering method in pcbnew also changes a number of things in the user interface, not only the router 2014-05-21 19:49 for example, middle-click to center is replaced with middle-drag to pan 2014-05-21 20:12 wpwrak: nvidia is pretty great at supporting really old cards 2014-05-21 20:12 I mean, they still have their "old" driver (167.xx or someshit like that... the versioning scheme makes no sense) and it's *still* updated 2014-05-21 20:12 you could probably make it work with Riva TNT2, and it was already obsolete when I went to high school 2014-05-21 20:12 on 3.xx kerels 2014-05-21 20:12 kernels* 2014-05-21 20:13 there's quite a few things wrong with closed-source drivers, but your criticism so far is entirely misplaced 2014-05-21 20:13 well, let's home nouveau reaches such standards, too :) for now, Gl just hangs on the nv (where it apparently worked before). but it now works on the ATI, where it didn't. 2014-05-21 20:14 have you even tried closed-source nvidia driver? 2014-05-21 20:14 of course not 2014-05-21 20:15 then do 2014-05-21 20:15 naw. closed = i'll pass 2014-05-21 20:16 do you still use closed-source BIOS, though? 2014-05-21 20:16 CYB3R_ng has left #qi-hardware [#qi-hardware] 2014-05-21 20:17 ... which has an SMM component, which runs alongside linux, you know? 2014-05-21 20:17 * whitequark waits for wpwrak to disappear in a puff of logic 2014-05-21 20:21 not sure if the critter actually "runs" alongside in the proper sense. it know that some hardware can do things at a level below the OS, though. 2014-05-21 20:21 it can even filter your IP packets 2014-05-21 20:24 and it has a built-in webserver 2014-05-21 20:29 not sure if my P35 already has all that 2014-05-21 20:37 here's the SMRAM dump for P35: http://dreamlayers.blogspot.ca/2012/10/dumping-smram.html 2014-05-21 20:37 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93197 if you're interested (particularly update#2) 2014-05-21 20:39 "I run several projects in parallel" would bother me a bit (if I didn't already mentally write off the money as lost.) 2014-05-21 20:39 2014-05-15, 19:39 till Today, 19:30 - not too bad 2014-05-21 20:40 I mean, neo900 alone is quite complex enough... 2014-05-21 20:40 well, I don't know of *anybody* who doesn't "run several projects in parallel" 2014-05-21 20:41 well, it depends on what do you mean by "run a project" 2014-05-21 20:41 but if it causes updates to be rare, that's worrying 2014-05-21 20:41 who said that? 2014-05-21 20:42 Nik never been supposed to publish any updates 2014-05-21 20:42 oh, I misread your message 2014-05-21 20:42 nevermind what I said 2014-05-21 20:47 now we need to secure that Nik doesn't feel uncertain about what to do in the project. Thus we need an agreement about which tasks GDC wants to accept and which conditions apply to that 2014-05-21 20:47 since I have no particular requirements to that, I don't think this could cause any problems 2014-05-21 20:48 DocScrutinizer05: hm, have you ever heard of anyone getting a self-employment visa (selbstständigen Erwerbstätigkeit, apparently)? 2014-05-21 20:48 I wonder how much pain is that 2014-05-21 20:48 ouch 2014-05-21 20:48 sounds horror 2014-05-21 20:48 they have a "checklist", here: http://www.germania.diplo.de/contentblob/4209802/Daten/4163655/selbstaendigeerwerbstaetigkeitcheckliste.pdf 2014-05-21 20:49 you most likely need an invitation of a company, or somesuch 2014-05-21 20:49 it doesn't *appear* to be too bad, but there's probably a bureaucratic behemoth lying beside 2014-05-21 20:49 hm, no, from what I gather, I need to present a business plan and prove that I have financing 2014-05-21 20:49 if it truly boils down to that, it's about what I'd expect 2014-05-21 20:51 oh yeah! >> Strukturierte und detaillierte Beschreibung der Ge schäftsidee<< and >> Finanzierungsplan/Nachweis Finanzierung<< 2014-05-21 20:51 I know that shit, guess why! 2014-05-21 20:51 the basic idea is that I'd call myself a "consultant" and do the same thing I usually do 2014-05-21 20:52 I see like 1000 reasons why that could not work, but still worth a try 2014-05-21 20:52 you need contracts to show that will already bring you money from beginning 2014-05-21 20:52 sure. 2014-05-21 20:52 then no problem 2014-05-21 20:52 basically identical with an invitation 2014-05-21 20:53 because even considering the level of bureaucracy I'll encounter (over 9000), I highly prefer this to being basically a slave to some big foreign (US, most likely) company, that is nice enough to employ me while it's profitable 2014-05-21 20:53 show off your contract with SAP as consultant, starting June 2014, and off you go. Welcome to Germany 2014-05-21 20:53 *nod* 2014-05-21 20:54 most of my friends who currently work from aboard are doing visa runs regularly. I can't even comprehend how one would (or would want) to live like that 2014-05-21 20:55 you have no rights, you're basically a criminal. wtf. 2014-05-21 20:55 actually consultant makes your finace plan simple, just add a bank account printout that proves you can pay for your flat and food for at least 3 months 2014-05-21 20:55 DocScrutinizer05: even better! 2014-05-21 20:56 thanks for explaining 2014-05-21 20:56 np 2014-05-21 20:57 however I strongly recommend searching for help and advice from an experienced entity, some german lawyer or whatever 2014-05-21 20:57 of course 2014-05-21 20:57 such stuff is terribly tricky, and usually you got no second try 2014-05-21 20:57 but it's great to know that it's viable in general 2014-05-21 20:57 *nod* 2014-05-21 20:58 we have a "green card initative" running since some years, which searches to make foreign highly qualified workers migrate to Germany 2014-05-21 20:59 it's flawed since it doesn't guarantee how long you may stay, and a few other aspects as well 2014-05-21 20:59 blue card, right 2014-05-21 20:59 I think it requires a diploma, and I don't have one 2014-05-21 21:00 dunno, afaik it usually works by invitation from a company who plans to employ you 2014-05-21 21:00 a contract as freelancer is just as good I guess 2014-05-21 21:00 hmm 2014-05-21 21:00 actually better prolly 2014-05-21 21:00 good thing to consider 2014-05-21 21:01 but... Conditions for application 2014-05-21 21:01 A German university degree, a foreign university degree which is accepted or a foreign university degree that is similar to a German one. 2014-05-21 21:01 like I said, diploma 2014-05-21 21:01 in addition to a contract 2014-05-21 21:01 I guess that has to be incorrect 2014-05-21 21:02 info from bluecard-eu.de? http://www.bluecard-eu.de/eu-blue-card-germany/application.html 2014-05-21 21:02 I seem to remember a certain minimum annual salary 2014-05-21 21:02 hm, maybe that is some phishing site or someshit? "© Verein Für soziales Leben e.V." 2014-05-21 21:02 get advice of somebody who knows trhat shit! 2014-05-21 21:02 looks fishy 2014-05-21 21:02 yeah, I will 2014-05-21 21:04 http://www.bpb.de/gesellschaft/migration/kurzdossiers/57439/die-deutsche-green-card https://www.bpb.de/gesellschaft/migration/58174/the-german-green-card 2014-05-21 21:04 bpb is "official" 2014-05-21 21:04 um... discontinued in 2004? 2014-05-21 21:04 * whitequark is confused now 2014-05-21 21:07 >>Das „Sofortprogramm zur Deckung des IT-Fachkräftebedarfs“ lief Ende 2004 aus und wurde durch ein neues Zuwanderungsgesetz ersetzt, das es IT-Fachkräften weiterhin privilegiert ermöglichte, nach Deutschland einzuwandern.<< http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greencard_(Deutschland) 2014-05-21 21:08 >>Mit der Einführung des Zuwanderungsgesetzes wurde die Greencard-Regelung in die Beschäftigungsverordnung aufgenommen, so dass die gesonderte "Greencard-Verordnung" überflüssig wurde. Seitdem besteht die Möglichkeit, IT-Fachkräfte bei Bedarf im Ausland anzuwerben, ohne dass eine zahlenmäßige Begrenzung von Kontingenten besteht. Allerdings muss die Beschäftigung zu branchenüblichen Gehältern im Rahmen eines in Deutschland 2014-05-21 21:08 sozialversicherungspflichtigen Arbeitsverhältnisses erfolgen<< 2014-05-21 21:10 in short: companies can hire foreign IT employees, when they pay the usual salary 2014-05-21 21:11 yup, I gathered as much 2014-05-21 21:12 so a contract as freelancer consultant is even better, since you wouldn't acquire any rights to receive social welfare when they fire you 2014-05-21 21:12 oh! I see 2014-05-21 21:13 just *without* any such contract, you're on class worse than all the poor self-employed unemployed people here who hope for welfare to support their newly started business. No chance 2014-05-21 21:14 hm, I actually know a guy from DE who is a freelancer consultant 2014-05-21 21:14 just realized 2014-05-21 21:14 usually a company offering such contract to xou will also be willing to do all the "immigration" hassle for you 2014-05-21 21:15 I'm still thinking whether I could stick to the same company I'm currently working for 2014-05-21 21:16 and a SAP or acme-corp GmbH that goes to Immigration Office and asks for a stamp to your papers has no problems to get such stamp 2014-05-21 21:16 as long as such acme-corp is a german company 2014-05-21 21:16 the difference in typical salary in RU and DE is what'll probably kill that idea, though 2014-05-21 21:17 an RU company can't ask for a visa for germany on your behalf 2014-05-21 21:17 exactly 2014-05-21 21:17 so if I want that, I'll have to figure it out myself 2014-05-21 21:17 unless they have a german branch 2014-05-21 21:18 wolfspraul has quit [Quit: leaving] 2014-05-21 21:18 or they have a contract with some german enterprise that requires them to send you as their executive to do the job 2014-05-21 21:18 hmmm 2014-05-21 21:18 (refund going directly to neo900 ugh) excellent ! 2014-05-21 21:19 ugh 2014-05-21 21:19 that latter thing may actually be feasible, I'll have to ask 2014-05-21 21:19 thanks again! very useful info 2014-05-21 21:19 yw, looking forward to meet you here 2014-05-21 21:19 same :) 2014-05-21 21:20 already met your co-citizen Paul Fertser 2014-05-21 21:20 we'll probably meet earlier, I hope I'll get to ESHM this year 2014-05-21 21:20 fairly certain I will 2014-05-21 21:21 seems for him the visa was less of a problem than the import of a N900 to Russia 2014-05-21 21:21 well, visa didn't require him to talk with RU officials... 2014-05-21 21:22 right :-) 2014-05-21 21:23 you might nevertheless want to meet him for a beer and a chat about his experience with visa and all 2014-05-21 21:23 I know, moscow is laaaarge 2014-05-21 21:23 was it a long-stay visa? or just a regular short-stay one? 2014-05-21 21:23 short 2014-05-21 21:23 I don't think I'll have any problems getting a short-stay one, the process is straightforward 2014-05-21 21:24 where short also was 6 months iirc 2014-05-21 21:24 give a bank statement, hotel name, get visa back 2014-05-21 21:24 :nod: 2014-05-21 21:24 however he had to prove he's no prostitute, I guess X-P 2014-05-21 21:25 really? O_o 2014-05-21 21:25 that's some oddly specific thing to verify 2014-05-21 21:25 just kidding 2014-05-21 21:25 but that been a concern of Visa office back when 2014-05-21 21:25 (and prolly still is) 2014-05-21 21:27 I guess for this reason he needed an invitation from german bailsman 2014-05-21 21:28 can't recall details, it's 4 or 5 years back 2014-05-21 21:29 just give him a ping 2014-05-21 21:29 might be worth it 2014-05-21 21:29 could you PM his email? 2014-05-21 21:30 actually nevermind, just googled it 2014-05-21 21:30 [2014-05-21 Wed 23:30:04] [Whois] PaulFertser is paul@paulfertser.info (Paul Fertser) 2014-05-21 21:30 #openmoko-cdevel 2014-05-21 21:32 * whitequark zzz. 1:32AM here and he got up early 2014-05-21 21:32 [2014-05-21 Wed 23:30:04] [Whois] PaulFertser is a user on channels: #openmoko #openmoko-cdevel 2014-05-21 21:33 yeah, he has a job that requires getting up early, it seems 2014-05-21 21:33 no, I mean, I got up early 2014-05-21 21:34 * whitequark writes /me-tells in 3rd person, since it's grammatically correct 2014-05-21 21:34 well, then the both of you have 2 things in common already 2014-05-21 21:35 he's also "away" 2014-05-21 21:35 [2014-05-21 Wed 23:30:05] [Away] PaulFertser is away: afk 2014-05-21 21:35 a /query can't hurt 2014-05-21 21:35 irc isn't realtime 2014-05-21 21:38 hey, I just thought: maybe it's most easy procedure to come here with a short-time visa, get a job, and then ask for long-time visa here 2014-05-21 21:38 unless short-time forbits work 2014-05-21 21:38 forbids* 2014-05-21 21:38 then it would be the most silly thing to do 2014-05-21 21:40 tourist visa does. 2014-05-21 21:40 that'd be a really bad idea :) 2014-05-21 21:40 you can do that with a student's visa, you have 18 months to find a job after getting a diploma 2014-05-21 21:41 that's actually a plan as well, though it requiers way more time 2014-05-21 21:54 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-21 22:09 student visa would also be a way to finally get that diploma that opens so many doors 2014-05-21 22:10 well, a step towards it :) 2014-05-21 22:13 pcercuei has quit [Quit: dodo] 2014-05-21 22:15 fsck diploma 2014-05-21 22:16 Jeff Simmons tries to corrupt Napoleon Murphy Brock by showing him a lewd dance and suggesting that he'd smoke a high-school diploma . . . 2014-05-21 22:17 The evil dope pusher is cutting up a white gym sock, formerly owned by Carl Zappa and still damp. The shredded sock will be placed inside of a high-school diploma And ignited with a sulphur preparation . . . 2014-05-21 22:18 Now the next step of this operation 2014-05-21 22:18 The evil corrupter of youth is going to take him from Step One, which is a mere high-school diploma stuffed with a gym sock, to Step Two, which is a college-degree stuffed with absolutely nothing at all. Smoke that and it'll really get you out there! 2014-05-21 22:19 sb0 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-05-21 22:19 >>I still don't feel as good as I felt this mornin' . . .<< 2014-05-21 22:20 No no, the college-degree is stuffed with absolutely nothing at all, you get . . . you get nothing with your college-degree . . . 2014-05-21 22:21 A true Zen saying: Nothing is what I want . . . The results of a higher education! 2014-05-21 22:33 _whitelogger_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-21 22:35 Luke-Jr has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-05-21 22:35 Luke-Jr has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-21 22:35 zear has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-05-21 22:36 jluis has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-05-21 22:36 jluis has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-21 22:38 dos1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2014-05-21 22:38 roh has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2014-05-21 22:38 _whitelogger has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2014-05-21 22:38 FDCX has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2014-05-21 22:39 FDCX has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-21 22:41 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3FlMRT0qnZI#t=490 2014-05-21 22:41 WielkiTost has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-21 22:42 >>you learn a more structured approach to problem-solving.<< sorry, proven flase every day 2014-05-21 22:42 false even 2014-05-21 22:42 i've seen good people without formal education make very typical mistakes that good people with formal education don't make 2014-05-21 22:43 kanzure_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-21 22:43 of course, formal education doesn't mean that you're good. but if you have what it takes, it's an improvement 2014-05-21 22:48 I've seen so many CS students doing voluntary month and really knowing no shit about nothing 2014-05-21 22:48 jekhor_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-21 22:49 kanzure has quit [*.net *.split] 2014-05-21 22:49 dos11 has quit [*.net *.split] 2014-05-21 22:49 I think university is a nice serive to simplify learning what you'd learn anyway, with ot without "higher education" 2014-05-21 22:49 service* 2014-05-21 22:51 and actually for somebody highly interested in some particular topic it's a waste of time in my book, unless you value the diploma/degree higher than the education 2014-05-21 22:53 I've not seen a single EE doing a better job after finishing his degree than (s)he did before. Rather the opposite 2014-05-21 22:53 the trick is to learn something while you're at the university. and yes, there are plenty of people who manage to avoid most of the former while still completing the latter :) 2014-05-21 22:53 and actually almost same for any CS 2014-05-21 22:53 so i suppose you're in the same boat as whitequark ? 2014-05-21 22:54 not really, since I *never* regretted not having a "higher edication" 2014-05-21 22:54 ah well, that explains it then :) 2014-05-21 22:55 it been a pretty well calculated decision to _not_ do that nonsense and rather start _learning_ something 2014-05-21 22:56 I occasionally studied the books and whatnot of my best friend back when who decided differently 2014-05-21 22:56 WielkiTost is now known as dos1 2014-05-21 22:57 and yes, I lack some familiarity with some particular methods that I probably had to make familiar with at university 2014-05-21 22:57 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-05-21 22:57 But I learned sth you usually don't learn at university: know where to look for stuff 2014-05-21 23:01 wpwrak: asking on TMO when you have 2/3 of the team here? suspicious! ;) 2014-05-21 23:01 hah, dos1 been faster than me again 2014-05-21 23:01 nah, ok 2014-05-21 23:01 pretty fine asking on tmo, se we have a chance to clarify 2014-05-21 23:02 so* 2014-05-21 23:02 exactly my thought :) 2014-05-21 23:02 * DocScrutinizer05 tunes his email polling frequency from 5 to 1 minute 2014-05-21 23:02 ;-P 2014-05-21 23:05 dos1: thanks ! :) that was basically my question - Q: what am i expected to do ? A: wait. :) 2014-05-21 23:05 and welcome to TrollsMoronsOxes ;) 2014-05-21 23:06 aka tmo 2014-05-21 23:07 allegedly the worst forum by far (though others say heise forum is the worst) 2014-05-21 23:15 wpwrak: interested in production QA software for Neo900? 2014-05-21 23:23 (worst forum) yes,having these shitty captchas all the time is rather annoying 2014-05-21 23:24 (qa sw) looking for volunteers or offering a job ? :) 2014-05-21 23:28 neat. chromium has an "undo" for closing tabs. someone understands the human condition :) 2014-05-21 23:29 Is It A Bird? Is It A Plane? No It's A Russian ICBM.. Over Iran? - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-21/it-bird-it-plane-no-its-russian-icbm-over-iran .. huh ? 2014-05-21 23:29 (volunteer or job offer) to get negotiated 2014-05-21 23:31 nicksydney: those google translations from japanese make me sick 2014-05-21 23:31 nicksydney: given the source, it's probably photoshop :) 2014-05-21 23:31 DocScrutinizer05: that's why it's better to draw your own conclusion and the translation makes you woozy :) 2014-05-21 23:32 zerohedge seems a pretty non-trustworthy and low-effort site 2014-05-21 23:32 wpwrak: nah they must be using GIMP :) 2014-05-21 23:34 DocScrutinizer05: (negotiated) given that anelok doesn't seem to go anywhere and i'm eyeing my finances with increasing concern, it could indeed be interesting if it puts some money into my pocket ... :) 2014-05-21 23:35 nicksydney: the tendency is that the less you care the more you use the "standard" set of tools of the windows ecosystem 2014-05-21 23:35 right now we don't have much money to offer, but we can discuss this part as well as the specification of task. Welcome on board already 2014-05-21 23:36 wpwrak: go crowdsourcing you will nail it for sure :) 2014-05-21 23:36 hehe, thanks :) 2014-05-21 23:36 wpwrak: like it or not i still have VM running WIndows 7 just in case :) 2014-05-21 23:37 nicksydney: crowdsourcing requires a running prototype. or a framework in which "miniinvestment" can be handled. i have neither. 2014-05-21 23:37 so does this mean that wpwrak is now 'officially' working on Neo900 ? :) 2014-05-21 23:37 tbd, i guess 2014-05-21 23:37 yipppeee ! ... let's open some tequilla :) 2014-05-21 23:38 when he agrees, then yes. At least on a yet undifined volume of "working on" 2014-05-21 23:40 *reading backlog* hey, should I include something more in the progress update I'm finishing right now? :D 2014-05-21 23:40 why not? ask werber if he agrees and what that "something2 should look like 2014-05-21 23:41 werner 2014-05-21 23:41 sorry 2014-05-21 23:41 werner = gerber ? :) 2014-05-21 23:41 dvdk has joined #qi-hardware 2014-05-21 23:41 hehehe 2014-05-21 23:43 not so fast :) 2014-05-21 23:56 jekhor_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]