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2014-05-18 05:23 <wpwrak> hmm, given that silicone is flexible, why can't we have chips you can deform and bend ? would make layouts so much easier ...
2014-05-18 05:24 <whitequark> you should post that on some of the newfangled "maker" forums
2014-05-18 05:24 <whitequark> don't forget popcorn
2014-05-18 05:24 <wpwrak> ;-))
2014-05-18 05:44 * whitequark sighs
2014-05-18 05:44 <whitequark> I am amazed at this argument parsing library (cmdliner; http://erratique.ch/software/cmdliner/)
2014-05-18 05:45 <whitequark> on one hand, it's a really great little library, which even autogenerates man pages for you instead the usual pitiful --help text
2014-05-18 05:45 <whitequark> on the other hand, I literally had much easier time implementing a compiler than interfacing with this goddamn option parsing library
2014-05-18 05:46 <whitequark> what drugs exactly do you need to be on to make an interface *that* esoteric?
2014-05-18 05:55 <wpwrak> use getopt(3)
2014-05-18 05:55 <wpwrak> ?
2014-05-18 05:56 <whitequark> well, I'm not writing it in C ;) there's builtin Arg, which is kind of like getopt
2014-05-18 05:56 <whitequark> it also sucks, which is the reason I was looking for something better
2014-05-18 05:56 <wpwrak> (not using C) ah well, master of your own doom ;-)
2014-05-18 05:57 <whitequark> meh, C needs to die already. I will certainly contribute to its demise in any ways I can
2014-05-18 05:57 <whitequark> first and foremost by not writing more code in it...
2014-05-18 05:59 <whitequark> when Rust releases their 1.0, there will finally be an answer to everyone out there who wants to program embedded, kernels and other weird things with something sane (and also for those with terminal OCD and a burning need to micromanage resources, which is way wider)
2014-05-18 06:00 <whitequark> Rust is pretty cool. it's memory-safe, but has an escape hatch which allows you to do any dirty tricks you want
2014-05-18 06:01 <wpwrak> as long as they copied the only good feature of C++ ... namely that you can just write ordinary C, and ignore fad and fashion :)
2014-05-18 06:01 <whitequark> the memory management is a combination of ownership (essentially, malloc+free, except the compiler makes sure you don't leak memory, use-after-free, use unallocated memory, have race conditions and a few more things) and strong/weak reference counting for cyclic data structures like graphs
2014-05-18 06:02 <whitequark> C++ isn't backwards-compatible with C
2014-05-18 06:02 <whitequark> also, if something is a fad, then C is. it was never designed or had any real thought put in it, it just... caught on
2014-05-18 06:03 <whitequark> certainly like a fashion. and we all see what happens when engineering is driven by cargo cult
2014-05-18 06:04 <wpwrak> (compatible) well, almost, if you avoid the new keywords
2014-05-18 06:04 <whitequark> oh, there's *plenty* of quirks
2014-05-18 06:04 <whitequark> off the top of my head: VLAs of C99, initializers
2014-05-18 06:06 <wpwrak> i guess anything new that happens in C will eventually find its way into C++. just like C picked up a few items from C++
2014-05-18 06:06 <whitequark> nope, the committee already decided that it won't happen
2014-05-18 06:07 <wpwrak> i see a gnu extension coming ;-)
2014-05-18 06:07 <whitequark> ew
2014-05-18 06:07 <whitequark> "gnu extension" is the politically correct name for "portability nightmare"
2014-05-18 06:08 <wpwrak> naw. it's just a little bit more work for the implementers of other compilers. well, not all the gnu extensions make it to the others but quite a few gnu things do/did.
2014-05-18 06:09 <wpwrak> also anyone who wants bragging rights for being able to compile the linux kernel better makes sure his compiler it sufficiently gnu-ish
2014-05-18 06:09 <whitequark> the linux kernel can't be compiled by anything except gcc at the moment
2014-05-18 06:09 <whitequark> not even clang (yet)
2014-05-18 06:09 <wpwrak> i think intel can compile it
2014-05-18 06:10 <wpwrak> clang ought to be very close
2014-05-18 06:10 <whitequark> quite a bit of that is due to some of the more insane gnu extensions, e.g. register pinning or constexpr evaluation
2014-05-18 06:10 <whitequark> (which are only present in gcc because gcc is a ball of incoherent spaghetti)
2014-05-18 06:10 <whitequark> clang *is* very close, but not there
2014-05-18 06:10 <whitequark> icc can compile it without source modifications? a bit hard to believe
2014-05-18 06:11 <wpwrak> i think they did it at last once. but i don't know if it was vanilla or with some minor editing
2014-05-18 06:12 <whitequark> with some minor editing (and certain loss of efficiency, I presume) you can compile it with a bunch of compilers, yes
2014-05-18 06:35 <Luke-Jr> whitequark: C++11 adds the C99 features
2014-05-18 06:37 <whitequark> Luke-Jr: but not VLAs, afaik
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2014-05-18 11:29 <viric> whitequark: ext4 on mtdblock wasn't a bad idea
2014-05-18 11:30 <viric> whitequark: the rockchip people implemented a FTL inside the mtd device driver. So the mtd sees logic addresses
2014-05-18 11:31 <larsc> crazy stuff
2014-05-18 11:31 <viric> right
2014-05-18 11:34 <viric> kernel boots...
2014-05-18 11:34 <viric> finally I'm making progress, having a serial port connected.
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2014-05-18 19:19 <qi-bot> [commit] Maarten ter Huurne: Fixed compilation with GCC 4.9 (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/9e113d8
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2014-05-18 22:46 <whitequark> wpwrak: how do you call a string (like in puts("hello world")) in german?
2014-05-18 22:46 <whitequark> Zeichenfolge ?
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2014-05-18 22:55 <wpwrak> if you work for Siemens, Zeichenkette. else, String :)
2014-05-18 22:59 <whitequark> how about an integer? (Anzahl?) a map (like hashtable)? (Karte?) a list? (Liste?)
2014-05-18 23:02 <whitequark> imagine a programming language where all types are compound German nouns. "Leere Bearbeiten(Anzahlzeichenkettekarteliste xs) { ... }"
2014-05-18 23:02 <whitequark> that would be so awesome
2014-05-18 23:03 <wpwrak> Ganzzahl
2014-05-18 23:03 <wpwrak> (for integer)
2014-05-18 23:03 <wpwrak> list -> Liste
2014-05-18 23:03 <wpwrak> map -> Karte ... but i wouldn't know a translation for hash table
2014-05-18 23:03 <whitequark> Karte sounds fine, yeah
2014-05-18 23:07 <whitequark> hm, I like how descriptive "Zeichenkette" is
2014-05-18 23:09 <wpwrak> (german programming language) call it "Msd (Man spricht deutsh)"
2014-05-18 23:10 <wpwrak> in reference to this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095579/
2014-05-18 23:10 <whitequark> :D
2014-05-18 23:14 <whitequark> wpwrak: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashtabelle
2014-05-18 23:15 <wpwrak> Streuwerttabelle, geil ;)
2014-05-18 23:15 <whitequark> geil?..
2014-05-18 23:16 <whitequark> oh
2014-05-18 23:17 <wpwrak> "geil" means "horny", but is commonly used in slang for "great", "cool"
2014-05-18 23:17 <whitequark> yes, I got it eventually, but that made for some very confusing moments
2014-05-18 23:18 <whitequark> "what *is* it with wpwrak and hashtables?!"
2014-05-18 23:18 <wpwrak> "Streuwerttabelle" is what you use if it's vitally important that nobody understands what you're explaining. e.g., if you file a patent in .de, that's when such words will be very useful.
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2014-05-18 23:23 <whitequark> "Streuspeicherverfahren" for hashing is pretty cool
2014-05-18 23:25 <whitequark> you could conceivably implement algorithms by naming them
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2014-05-18 23:28 <wpwrak> definitely. since nobody would understand their purpose anyway, you could do whatever you want
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