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2014-05-15 04:55 <kyak> whitequark: very interesting! so everyone can define their own cool language now? :)
2014-05-15 04:58 <kyak> it's a pity though that your language is doomed to be interpreted
2014-05-15 04:58 <kyak> so it is probably a no-go for embedded systems
2014-05-15 05:03 <kyak> however, if someone implements C execution semantics in K, you can still gain a lot from testing on host
2014-05-15 05:05 <kyak> ..and it actually is available..
2014-05-15 05:07 <kyak> https://github.com/kframework/c-semantics
2014-05-15 05:07 <kyak> with some commit 23 minutes ago, giving hope :)
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2014-05-15 06:18 <nicksydney> wpwrak: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQjV2APK9zQ&feature=em-subs_digest
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2014-05-15 07:55 <eintopf> nicksydney: he do that so easily
2014-05-15 07:55 <eintopf> but I think I can't do that
2014-05-15 07:55 <nicksydney> eintopf: i've seen lots of phone repair people or shops can do those kind of thing easily...it takes practise :)
2014-05-15 07:57 <eintopf> I think, I am more a software guy
2014-05-15 07:58 <nicksydney> eintopf: most of us are ... same like us too we have done the time and practise while the repair people have done their time in soldering :)
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2014-05-15 09:35 <whitequark> kyak: it's not doomed to be interpreted!
2014-05-15 09:35 <whitequark> I believe there's a K compiler
2014-05-15 09:35 <whitequark> e.g. "kcc" for C
2014-05-15 09:38 <kyak> oh, no.. the kcc just produces an a.out that is then interpreted
2014-05-15 09:38 <kyak> (my understanding)
2014-05-15 09:38 <whitequark> ah
2014-05-15 09:39 <whitequark> well... yes, that makes sense given their article
2014-05-15 09:39 <kyak> they call a.out "an executable script" :)
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2014-05-15 13:20 <nicksydney> 32bit arduino http://arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoBoardZero
2014-05-15 13:20 <nicksydney> ATSAMD21G18, 48pins LQFP
2014-05-15 13:46 <nicksydney> wpwrak: thought you might find this Bluetooth flashing useful http://blog.p-dev.net/
2014-05-15 13:48 <nicksydney> wpwrak: fped cloned https://github.com/bert/fped  :)
2014-05-15 13:48 <whitequark> ... a year ago
2014-05-15 13:52 <wpwrak> and no commits. but nice anyway:)
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2014-05-15 13:57 <paul_boddie> Just when the Arduino line-up couldn't get more confusing.
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2014-05-15 14:02 <paul_boddie> I think it's weird that on their hybrid boards they seem to emphasise the microcontroller specifications above the higher-end CPU specifications so that the 2.5K of SRAM available to the ATmega on the Tre appears before the 512MB available to the TI ARM Cortex-A8.
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2014-05-15 21:35 <paul_boddie> Unfortunate news indeed: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1425501
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2014-05-15 21:36 <whitequark> :/
2014-05-15 21:37 <paul_boddie> But also: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1425543
2014-05-15 21:41 <paul_boddie> So the obstacle isn't the engineering, sourcing or manufacturing, and not even a lack of resources, but the financial management part.
2014-05-15 21:41 <paul_boddie> I can't help thinking there are people who manage this kind of thing for Free Software projects that could at least advise for open hardware projects like this.
2014-05-15 21:46 <dos1> it was a falstart with fundraiser...
2014-05-15 21:47 <dos1> GDC being liable to customers + Joerg being a project leader just didn't worked together
2014-05-15 21:47 <paul_boddie> Well, provided people don't get disillusioned and start thinking it'll never get done, you know now that there is demand.
2014-05-15 21:48 <dos1> we just need to convinve people to donate once again, this time directly to Neo900 UG
2014-05-15 21:48 <dos1> may be hard, but we'll see
2014-05-15 21:49 <whitequark> I wonder if you'll accidentally trip some cognitive bias
2014-05-15 21:49 <whitequark> like some projects do trip the sunk cost one, for example. not sure though
2014-05-15 21:50 <dos1> Nikolaus already said that he's willing to cooperate as a contractor (so the other way around than before), he won't manage the production then
2014-05-15 21:50 <paul_boddie> It could easily work out better this way.
2014-05-15 21:51 <dos1> sure
2014-05-15 21:51 <dos1> it was a bit unfortunate that Nikolaus decided to put his announcement in a way that suprised us a bit
2014-05-15 21:51 <paul_boddie> Things could be worse. I feel sorry for the GCW-Zero guy, myself: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gcw/gcw-zero-open-source-gaming-handheld/posts/840501
2014-05-15 21:52 <paul_boddie> "First world problem" response of the day: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gcw/gcw-zero-open-source-gaming-handheld/posts/840501?cursor=6768641#comment-6768640
2014-05-15 21:52 <dos1> we knew some hour before public announcement that he's going to do that, but we didn't know that it's going to arrive at our inboxes just yet
2014-05-15 21:53 <whitequark> paul_boddie: well, kickstarter does have an issue with bullshit promises
2014-05-15 21:53 <dos1> his wording was also a bit unfortunate, so both Joerg and me paniced a bit after reading that (as probably most of the supporters did)
2014-05-15 21:54 <dos1> but now when emotions settled down a bit, it indeed seems like an opportunity (sans the risk of losing people who already paid before)
2014-05-15 21:54 <paul_boddie> dos1: Yes, it does sound a bit like he won't be doing anything more with the project.
2014-05-15 21:55 <dos1> (sorry if my grammar is gibberish, it was really an exhausting day...)
2014-05-15 21:55 <paul_boddie> whitequark: I think the biggest problem is fulfilment with GCW-Zero, which is why some of these sites actually deal with that on behalf of the projects. Don't remember which, though.
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2014-05-15 23:33 <nicksydney> looking at the hi-res photo of Arduino Zero http://postimg.org/image/q82a11vgb/ noticed that they have 2 USB - one is labelled JTAG (connected to the ATSAMD21) while the other is labelled DEBUG connected to a chip EDBG...looking at EDBG datasheet  (http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.atmel.com%2FImages%2FAtmel-42096-Microcontrollers-Embedded-Debugger_User-
2014-05-15 23:33 <nicksydney> Guide.pdf&ei=aU11U6TROZGE8gWipIKYAQ&usg=AFQjCNEznuPZigdEcdsupesPP7lnMVPD-A&sig2=Cr8kXzSKMtW74BJEONxuqg&bvm=bv.66917471,d.dGc&cad=rja) it is a chip for debugging .. i thought that having a JTAG connection already allows you to do debugging ? or am i missing something ?
2014-05-15 23:33 <nicksydney> the question is why do they need to introduce another EDBG chip for debugging ?
2014-05-15 23:34 <whitequark> well not everyone wants to buy an atmel in-circuit debugger
2014-05-15 23:34 <whitequark> they just took that separate device and integrated it
2014-05-15 23:34 <whitequark> ST does the same with their devboards
2014-05-15 23:35 <nicksydney> whitequark: so you mean the JTAG connector is using with atmel in-circuit debugger ?
2014-05-15 23:35 <whitequark> yea
2014-05-15 23:36 <nicksydney> ahhh i looked the labelled at the wrong place..it's not the USB that is labelled JTAG it's the ping connector that is labelled the JTAG ..ok got it now
2014-05-15 23:36 <nicksydney> so those 2 USB is used for debugging and power i assume ?
2014-05-15 23:37 <nicksydney> so the USB labelled as DEBUG is used for programming and debugging and the other is used for power I assume ?
2014-05-15 23:38 <whitequark> power and communication
2014-05-15 23:39 <nicksydney> cool...understand now thanks whitequark