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2014-05-01 00:49 <nicksydney> wpwrak: it might sell if you sell it on ebay
2014-05-01 00:49 <nicksydney> or perhaps aliexpress :)
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2014-05-01 01:40 <nicksydney> wohoo!! the TPS61040 sample has arrived....now need to etch the board
2014-05-01 01:40 <nicksydney> damn this thing are tiny
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2014-05-01 03:13 <nicksydney> wpwrak: what you think about this http://www.chronovu.com/buy-now/shop/ ... it's worth the money for beginner like myself ?
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2014-05-01 15:27 <sb0> first kicad crash!
2014-05-01 15:31 <wpwrak> congratulations ! :)
2014-05-01 15:31 <wpwrak> what are you actually designing ?
2014-05-01 15:33 <wpwrak> i find that kicad sometimes hangs (or at least it used to some time ago) when i have multiple instances running. so it's a good idea to save often. also had some issues when working with zones, but i haven't experienced these lately
2014-05-01 15:34 <wpwrak> ah, and fped also has a yet unsolved problem that seems to be related to deletions. so safe often there, too :) (fped versions the files for you, so you don't have to worry about saving things you may later regret)
2014-05-01 15:37 <wpwrak> pcercuei: developing a taste for german beer ? :)
2014-05-01 15:38 <pcercuei> slowly but surely :)
2014-05-01 15:41 <wpwrak> very good. soon you'll be ready to appreciate the good stuff, austrian beer ;-)
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2014-05-01 17:07 <sb0> wpwrak, just simple carrier boards for mixxeo buttons/leds/oled
2014-05-01 17:08 <sb0> oh, and of course, when you press R while placing a component, it's obvious that you want to rotate the component that happens to be under the cursor, not the one that you are currently moving
2014-05-01 17:08 <sb0> open source UX usually sucks, but this one sets new records
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2014-05-01 17:21 <sb0> "219.4000000000000057"
2014-05-01 17:21 <sb0> qcad wtf
2014-05-01 17:21 <whitequark> floating point wtf, rather
2014-05-01 17:21 <whitequark> but why doesn't it round?..
2014-05-01 17:23 <sb0> why didn't the qcad developers use a better number representation in the first place
2014-05-01 17:24 <sb0> performance doesn't matter much here; using (slow) rational arithmetic would be fine
2014-05-01 17:28 <whitequark> yeah, usually you use fixed point
2014-05-01 17:28 <whitequark> with enough precision to represent metric/imperial well
2014-05-01 17:29 <sb0> oh, I see. in C++, you write std::ratio_multiply<a,b>, not a*b
2014-05-01 17:31 <whitequark> hm?
2014-05-01 17:31 <sb0> I was wondering if C++ had support for rational numbers, and it seems to be done in a horrible way
2014-05-01 17:31 <whitequark> I'm not sure what is the point of using rationals anyway
2014-05-01 17:32 <sb0> with proper language support, they are the easiest choice
2014-05-01 17:32 <whitequark> not necessarily most correct, and anyway implementing fixed-point is not hard
2014-05-01 17:32 <sb0> not necessarily most correct?
2014-05-01 17:32 <whitequark> s,most correct,best,.
2014-05-01 17:33 <sb0> well, they are slower than fixed point for sure, but other than that?
2014-05-01 17:33 <whitequark> it's not even fixed-point actually, you just represent everything in µm and convert it to the user's choice of unit
2014-05-01 17:33 <whitequark> sb0: unless you back rationals with bigints, they're not infinitely precise
2014-05-01 17:33 <sb0> yeah sure
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2014-05-01 17:47 <sb0> oh, another thing... any missing dot in a kicad schematic will result in a silent no-connection
2014-05-01 17:47 <sb0> I wonder how much this has cost in PCB respins already
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2014-05-01 17:59 <whitequark> same in Eagle I think
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2014-05-01 20:28 <wpwrak> sb0: that's why it's important to review schematics :) missed dots tend to be a very minor problem. can't even remember having any issues with them
2014-05-01 20:29 <wpwrak> oh, but you should follow the rule of never making connected crosses
2014-05-01 20:29 <wpwrak> only T-connections, never +. a + always means "not connected".
2014-05-01 20:30 <wpwrak> (that's a rule for the designer to follow, not something kicad would need. though it may be nice if it could enforce it)
2014-05-01 20:32 <wpwrak> in the old milkymist days, we compiled a set of style guidelines: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Rules_on_Editing_Schematics
2014-05-01 20:33 <wpwrak> alas, the first example (about POWER) shows a "bad" junction :(
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2014-05-01 22:50 <nicksydney> wpwrak: normally for diode (normal or schottky) do you use the DO-214AA footprint from the qi library in kicad ?
2014-05-01 22:51 <wpwrak> i try to use diodes in SOT-xx3 packages, with no ambiguity in orientation
2014-05-01 22:58 <nicksydney> which footprint you recommend to use if not using SOT diode package ?
2014-05-01 22:59 <wpwrak> that would depend on the diode you choose to use ;-)
2014-05-01 23:00 <nicksydney> schottky diode like this one http://www.fairchildsemi.com/ds/MB/MBR0530.pdf
2014-05-01 23:02 <wpwrak> well, find the manufacturer's recommended footprint drawing and see if anything in http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/tmp/kicad-libs-modules.pdf
2014-05-01 23:02 <wpwrak> matches
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2014-05-01 23:03 <wpwrak> but it doesn't look like any footprint i remember us having. so you may have to draw your own
2014-05-01 23:03 <wpwrak> (or modify an existing one. tables in fped are great for that :)
2014-05-01 23:04 <nicksydney> ok thanks
2014-05-01 23:05 <nicksydney> what about just the normal generic SMD diode ?
2014-05-01 23:05 <nicksydney> like this data:image/jpeg;base64,
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2014-05-01 23:05 <nicksydney> ooopppss
2014-05-01 23:05 <nicksydney> sorry
2014-05-01 23:06 <nicksydney> thought copied the location i copied the file :)
2014-05-01 23:06 <wpwrak> did someone pick up the phone while you were on the modem ? ;-)
2014-05-01 23:06 <nicksydney> cool...copy image file and paste into IRC paste the file itself in this format :) hhehehe
2014-05-01 23:06 <nicksydney> ok will dig up the .pdf and print the footprint to see which one matches
2014-05-01 23:07 <wpwrak> anyway, i don't think there's a "generic diode". alas, the diode makers stubbornly insist in not using "standard" packages like 0402, 0603, etc.
2014-05-01 23:07 <wpwrak> but there are a bunch of SOD packages that seem to be reasonably common. so defining them could be useful.
2014-05-01 23:10 <nicksydney> ok thanks
2014-05-01 23:11 <wpwrak> as i said, i try to stay clear of reversible diodes. hmm, there was a japanese engineering design principle with a specific name for this
2014-05-01 23:12 <wpwrak> the basic idea being that if you try to put a part in any way but the correct way, it will simply not fit
2014-05-01 23:13 <nicksydney> ok
2014-05-01 23:13 <wpwrak> diodes in symmetric packages are the perfect anti-pattern for this :)