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2014-04-30 02:35 <nicksydney_> wpwrak: switching to slider eh ? :)
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2014-04-30 02:37 <nicksydney> when looking at the motion sensor yesterday was thinking what if anelok uses that kind of sensor for user interface....for eg:- one tap for acticvating, 2 tap for shutting down, mid air gesture for unlocking password , etc :)...too much use cases :)
2014-04-30 02:47 <whitequark> <does a complex gesture> "All data erased" "NOOO I WANTED MY DROPBOX PASSWORD"
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2014-04-30 03:53 <nicksydney> whitequark: surely wprak will come with a 'sophisticated algorithm' to avoid that :)
2014-04-30 04:05 <wpwrak> nicksydney: you mean something like this ? http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/people/werner/anelok/tmp/touch.pdf
2014-04-30 04:06 <nicksydney> wpwrak: exactly ... something like that
2014-04-30 04:06 <nicksydney> for touch that is
2014-04-30 04:06 <wpwrak> more details here: http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2013-December/010426.html
2014-04-30 04:06 <wpwrak> note that it mentions a certain "nick" :)
2014-04-30 04:07 <nicksydney> heheheh
2014-04-30 04:08 <nicksydney> i really like this sensor  http://www.kionix.com/sites/default/files/AN029%20Getting%20Started%20with%20the%20KXCNL.pdf
2014-04-30 04:08 <nicksydney> just find time and use case to use them down the track...will be interesting
2014-04-30 04:08 <whitequark> wpwrak: hmm, what have you generated that pdf with?
2014-04-30 04:08 <whitequark> fancy
2014-04-30 04:10 <wpwrak> xfig. that's what i use for almost everything
2014-04-30 04:13 <wpwrak> here's the source: https://gitorious.org/anelok/anelok/source/doc/touch.fig
2014-04-30 04:13 <whitequark> not bad
2014-04-30 04:13 <wpwrak> all very basic and manual. but i like the degree of control :)
2014-04-30 04:13 <whitequark> I'm just really frustrated with Inkscape. whoever made it never ever heard of UI design
2014-04-30 04:14 <whitequark> granted, it's true for xfig, but I guess xfig could be slightly less braindead because of less XML
2014-04-30 04:14 <wpwrak> yeah, the FIG format is fairly easy to parse
2014-04-30 04:14 <wpwrak> i sometimes write FIG-to-task-specific-whatever processors
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2014-04-30 04:17 <wpwrak> for example here: https://github.com/m-labs/flickernoise/tree/master/patches/demo/wheel/
2014-04-30 04:18 <wpwrak> gen and figfilt select items in wheel.fig by a number in its comment. so you can make animation sequences that way
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2014-04-30 07:27 <apelete> hi there
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2014-04-30 07:32 <apelete> larsc: on the subject of debugging dma last night, didn't made much progress
2014-04-30 07:32 <apelete> I was constantly losing connection from the serial line
2014-04-30 07:34 <apelete> some of the joints may be damaged, will probably have to desolder & resolder again
2014-04-30 07:34 <whitequark> I was thinking for a moment you've been talking about a living thing in your last message
2014-04-30 07:35 <whitequark> "some of the joints may be damaged..." yeah, that's sad, it's probably quite old... "have to desolder" WHAT
2014-04-30 07:35 <apelete> whitequark: :D
2014-04-30 07:36 <apelete> talking about nanonote, funny misunderstanding :)
2014-04-30 07:37 <wpwrak> whitequark: been to the bioengineering morgue again ? :)
2014-04-30 07:38 <apelete> anyway, that made me depressed last night (couldn't achieve anything) but on the bright side I've got better tools since last time
2014-04-30 07:38 <wpwrak> i.e., a bigger hammer
2014-04-30 07:41 <apelete> yes, should be easier and more robust this time (with a bigger hammer) ;-)
2014-04-30 08:06 <larsc> if the nail to to fragile a bigger hammer wont do any good ;)
2014-04-30 08:07 <whitequark> but it shatters in such a satisfying way
2014-04-30 08:11 <apelete> compared to ben, the serial line on gcw-zero seems to be much more robust (never dropped on me yet)
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2014-04-30 08:46 <larsc> nothing like capacitor acid fumes in the morning
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2014-04-30 11:43 <kyak> wpwrak: what's the status of atusb support in upstream kernel? I remember last time i asked, there were still few patches required
2014-04-30 11:59 <wpwrak> still the same. upstream is at the moment a big construction site. since alex (the one doing most of the breaking) uses atben and atusb, he never breaks compatibility for long :)
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2014-04-30 12:52 <kyak> but the patches are not upstream, what compatibility are you talking about?
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2014-04-30 12:56 <wpwrak> driver vs. the rest of the stack. and no, they're not upstream. a) still need some cleaning and fixing, and b) they're working on rearranging the driver API, which will be a major improvement. but i'm not sure i want to wait for that. it's been kinda "in the air" for a good while
2014-04-30 12:57 <kyak> sorry, if i missed somthing
2014-04-30 12:57 <wpwrak> i waited until you came back :)
2014-04-30 12:59 <kyak> anyway, i think it would be absolutely great if two factors come together - atben/atusb goes into production (again) and the linux support is upstream
2014-04-30 12:59 <kyak> if i just could plug the beast into my openwrt router and it just worked
2014-04-30 13:01 <wpwrak> hehe, i hear you :)
2014-04-30 13:01 <kyak> i'm kinda doing a little project involving home sensors and my current idea is to use a separate microprocessor that would talk to router via uart, and act as a "hub" for wireless sensors
2014-04-30 13:02 <kyak> i was thinkinh about atben/atusb, but then i realized that i only have one pair of them
2014-04-30 13:02 <kyak> and they are no more
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2014-04-30 13:04 <kyak> so, the use case would be - use router with atusb as a "hub" and a bunch of mcu's with sensors and atben to send data to the hub
2014-04-30 13:05 <wpwrak> yeah that sounds nice
2014-04-30 13:05 <wpwrak> quite a few boards have uSD or SD card holders that can be used with atben. sometimes you have other connectors in the way, though
2014-04-30 13:07 <kyak> there are sd<->usd adaptors and then some boards have "kits" that provide sd slot
2014-04-30 13:07 <kyak> i'm still thinking to do this without soldering :))
2014-04-30 13:07 <kyak> i DESTROYED FURIOUSLY the last sd-usd adaptor
2014-04-30 13:08 <kyak> when trying to solder atben to its pins
2014-04-30 13:08 <wpwrak> action ! ;-)
2014-04-30 13:09 <wpwrak> but you could just have inserted atben, without destroying the adapter :)
2014-04-30 13:10 <kyak> mmm.. you are right, that's what i did. I meant when trying to solder the sd adaptor to the board
2014-04-30 13:11 <kyak> actually, i was trying to solder wires to sd adaptor pins
2014-04-30 13:11 <wpwrak> oh :)
2014-04-30 13:11 <kyak> so that to solder other side to the board pin afterwards
2014-04-30 13:12 <wpwrak> solder a card holder (uSD or SD) to the board instead ?
2014-04-30 13:13 <kyak> or get a shield that would provide the card holder
2014-04-30 13:13 <kyak> so nobody gets damaged
2014-04-30 13:14 <wpwrak> bleh. get a board that comes with a card holder ? :) e.g., beaglebone is known to work with atben. and it runs linux :)
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2014-04-30 13:16 <kyak> too big for the purpose :)
2014-04-30 13:16 <kyak> to powerfull, etc
2014-04-30 13:17 <kyak> http://store.43oh.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=64&product_id=66
2014-04-30 13:17 <kyak> this thing, for example, just plugs into msp430 launchpad
2014-04-30 13:17 <kyak> for end user convenience, even an LED is provided :)
2014-04-30 13:19 <kyak> these days, one can really get without soldering.. with rational constraints. Have to pay more, that's for sure
2014-04-30 13:20 <kyak> yeah, don't talk to me anymore :)
2014-04-30 13:21 <kyak> http://www.ebay.com/itm/201060112736
2014-04-30 13:21 <kyak> i got two of these
2014-04-30 13:21 <kyak> should plug directly into msp430 launchpad or will use connectors
2014-04-30 13:22 <kyak> then i have wireless connectivity for 2.5USD
2014-04-30 13:22 <kyak> and without god damn soldering
2014-04-30 13:22 <whitequark> why is soldering a problem?
2014-04-30 13:23 <kyak> like in an old anecdote - "no hands, no cartoons"
2014-04-30 13:23 <kyak> or no legs?... anyway, i can't solder
2014-04-30 13:32 <whitequark> um, "no legs, no cartoons"?..
2014-04-30 13:32 <whitequark> no clue
2014-04-30 13:33 <whitequark> soldering isn't something that requires a genius and a decade of work. it's just a technique
2014-04-30 13:33 <whitequark> you probably have shitty soldering iron and/or solder
2014-04-30 13:33 <whitequark> and not enough flux
2014-04-30 13:35 <wpwrak> and maybe too much knowledge of grandpa's technique
2014-04-30 13:35 <whitequark> yes.
2014-04-30 13:35 <kyak> http://www.kulichki.com/death/humor/nekdots/nekdots_1.htm
2014-04-30 13:35 <kyak> whitequark: the second one
2014-04-30 13:35 <whitequark> uhh
2014-04-30 13:36 <kyak> i understand, it's just a matter of right tools and then someone experienced should show once how to do that
2014-04-30 13:37 <whitequark> there are like 10,000 guides on the internet
2014-04-30 13:37 <whitequark> one of them will surely work for you
2014-04-30 13:38 <wpwrak> kyak: no hackspaces in your area where they have soldering courses ?
2014-04-30 13:38 <kyak> i would've done it, if i really needed
2014-04-30 13:38 <kyak> but as you can see, it is not really necessary
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2014-04-30 13:39 <wpwrak> whitequark: sometimes one makes a mistake that's easy to spot for everyone but for the one making the mistake
2014-04-30 13:40 <kyak> wpwrak: i'm just not motivated enough to go for it. Again, if it was really necessary, i would
2014-04-30 13:40 <wpwrak> kyak: it's like the difference between being able to cook and the ability to order a meal at mcdonalds ...
2014-04-30 13:41 <kyak> or maybe cook yourself a sandwich in microwave and a fancy restaraunt? :)
2014-04-30 13:42 <kyak> have to go now, see you!
2014-04-30 13:44 <wpwrak> even if you can microwave your sandwich, you can still go to the fancy restaurant :) but if you don't know how to microwave your sandwich, you'll go hungry if you want to eat at night, when the restaurant is closed. (well, you could still eat your sandwich cold ...)
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2014-04-30 22:05 <sb0> of course, just like it was illusory to expect the default kicad track width (1mil) to be reasonable, it's also illusory to expect that the default soldermask opening (zero) to be about right, too
2014-04-30 22:06 <sb0> they really put a lot of effort into designing the worst UX possible
2014-04-30 22:19 <sb0> well, at least it doesn't crash every 5 minutes
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2014-04-30 23:46 <nicksydney> interesting ... https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/arduissimo-multicore-arduino-for-more-arduino-and-raspberry-pi-interfacing#home
2014-04-30 23:57 <wpwrak> i'm beginning to wonder whether there may be a lucrative business to be made by kickstartering a campaign to produce "Arduino Must Die" t-shirts :)
2014-04-30 23:58 <wpwrak> the FPGA approach is interesting, though. drives the concept a bit to absurdity, but oh well