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2014-04-25 05:20 <wpwrak> seems that NIST now officially dropped Dual EC DRBG. amazing that it took them so long.
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2014-04-25 13:34 <DocScrutinizer05> seems I need to write up a "blogpost" or whatever, to take care about that obviously increasingly common concern that Neo900 project stalled or vanished
2014-04-25 13:35 <DocScrutinizer05> a tad unfortunate that our communications officer Sebastian (dos1) isn't more chatty on neo900.org website
2014-04-25 13:59 * whitequark imagines DocScrutinizer05 in a Starfleet uniform
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2014-04-25 14:09 <DocScrutinizer51> whitequark: Q occasionally loved to appear in a starfleet captain uniform
2014-04-25 14:27 * wpwrak imagines Lt. Uhura from STNV
2014-04-25 14:29 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer51: you see yourself as Q...uark ? :-)
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2014-04-25 14:36 <DocScrutinizer51> quark, question, quality, quibble, the-letter-after-P, whatever Q might stand for... I didn't say I see myself like that
2014-04-25 14:37 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer51: in a starfleet *admiral* uniform
2014-04-25 14:37 <whitequark> no way his enormous ego would fit in a captain one
2014-04-25 14:43 <ysionneau> he could lead a *charge* with his fleet
2014-04-25 14:43 <DocScrutinizer51> well, that's also his problem. He for his life (literally) can't figure how it feels to NOT have such an enormous ego. He's kinda like Mr Data, just with a slightly different approach vector to "being human"
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2014-04-25 14:52 <DocScrutinizer51> not like some few humans had a significantly smaller ego =J
2014-04-25 14:53 <DocScrutinizer51> =)
2014-04-25 14:57 <larsc> ysionneau: and Q was clearly absolute
2014-04-25 14:58 <ysionneau> yep :)
2014-04-25 14:59 <DocScrutinizer51> and larsc clearly is a prime
2014-04-25 15:03 <DocScrutinizer51> and maybe even complex
2014-04-25 15:04 <larsc> probably irrational
2014-04-25 15:05 <larsc> high up in the complex plane
2014-04-25 15:07 <whitequark> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmEcsEpCcAAn4uz.jpg:large
2014-04-25 15:08 <larsc> whitequark: the guy in the window is the fussbodenschleifmaschinenverleihbesitzer
2014-04-25 15:08 <ysionneau> that increases the cost of the shop's heading
2014-04-25 15:08 <ysionneau> poor german shops owners :(
2014-04-25 15:09 <whitequark> larsc: I think I know who named the infamous PCLMULLQLQDQ instruction
2014-04-25 15:09 <ysionneau> lol
2014-04-25 15:10 <larsc> whitequark: somebody who didn't like vowels?
2014-04-25 15:11 <whitequark> larsc: it's 8.3% vowels!
2014-04-25 15:11 <DocScrutinizer51> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_factor
2014-04-25 15:12 <DocScrutinizer51> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_Continuum#Q
2014-04-25 15:12 <DocScrutinizer51> Q is clearly ambiguous
2014-04-25 15:13 <DocScrutinizer51> and that's the only thing absolutely clear about Q
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2014-04-25 18:12 <DocScrutinizer05> any news about any civil fatalities caused by the Kiew anti-terror forces operating in Eastern Ukraine? I'm just asking because I only hear about pro russian separatists shooting helicopters with missiles and taking OSCE observers as hostages, while our beloved Russian Gov idiots call the anti-terror forces a "war against own people"
2014-04-25 18:13 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe western news channels simply are so biased that they don't even report about all the cruel crimes the anti-terror forces commit?
2014-04-25 18:16 <whitequark> you could probably have better chances by sweeping twitter for grassroots reports
2014-04-25 18:20 <DocScrutinizer05> there's been that old granny they interviewed in Donjezk(?) who said "I don't know who are those guys with guns who occupied the townhall and all. I don't know whyt they want to achieve. I am afraid they don't act in my interest. I'm angry about Kiev not doing anything to stop this". I wonder if Putin counts that granny as "Ukraine's own people that the government now warships" or "the threatened Russian people in eastern Ukraine"
2014-04-25 18:21 <whitequark> as if it matters
2014-04-25 18:23 <DocScrutinizer05> well, we already learned that Putin and his sock puppet the mister of foreign affairs(?) just *always* lie. So when they say "Ukraine government started war against own people" then it probably doesn't matter what exactly they mean by "own people".
2014-04-25 18:23 <DocScrutinizer05> minister*
2014-04-25 18:23 <whitequark> I'm not sure what is the point of listening to them *at all*
2014-04-25 18:24 <DocScrutinizer05> it rather matters what this communicates to russian public
2014-04-25 18:24 <whitequark> my bet is on "intentionally ambiguous so everyone hears what they want"
2014-04-25 18:38 <DocScrutinizer05> actually I agree, there's no point at all in listening to Putin an co-idiots. Not even when you know they're lying you can conclude *anything* from their blabla, not even the next blabla and for sure not their next action they take
2014-04-25 18:39 <whitequark> yeah.
2014-04-25 18:46 <DocScrutinizer05> whitequark: what's your personal estimation how many % of russian or let's just say Moscow population are falling for this "I'm Putin, your big daddy" show, and how many don't believe that crap and are pissed about it?
2014-04-25 18:46 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: let's say majority
2014-04-25 18:47 <whitequark> I'm 100% sure the majority does. specific numbers highly depend on the region
2014-04-25 18:47 <whitequark> as a rule of thumb, the farther away from Moscow, the more
2014-04-25 18:48 <whitequark> even in Moscow it's likely over 50%
2014-04-25 18:48 <DocScrutinizer05> depressing
2014-04-25 18:49 <whitequark> now you see why so many give up and just flee out of the country
2014-04-25 18:49 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
2014-04-25 18:50 <whitequark> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_presidential_election,_2012#Results
2014-04-25 18:50 <whitequark> should correlate highly with that
2014-04-25 18:51 <DocScrutinizer05> the most disconcerting aspect in all this: all the plot and the means, while Putin pointing at the west and shouting "fascists!", in itself feels like copied straight from Hitler's secret operation guidelines
2014-04-25 18:52 <whitequark> comparing Putin to Hitler is such a cliché topic these days in RU
2014-04-25 18:52 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, sure it is
2014-04-25 18:52 <whitequark> I've read no less than dozen arguments for and against before giving up and simply /ignoring it
2014-04-25 18:53 <DocScrutinizer05> doesn't make the whole story smell any less disgusting
2014-04-25 18:54 <DocScrutinizer05> it doesn't matter if or if not Putin acts like $random-historical-person. What matters is if we can think about any way to stop this movement
2014-04-25 18:54 <whitequark> shoot him?
2014-04-25 18:55 <DocScrutinizer05> go ahead, I for sure don't mind :-)
2014-04-25 18:55 <DocScrutinizer05> but I doubt this would really change anything
2014-04-25 18:56 <whitequark> I would say that much of the current events are direct result of his personality
2014-04-25 18:56 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly his successor, whoever it might be, would act ever harsher
2014-04-25 18:56 <DocScrutinizer05> even*
2014-04-25 18:57 <DocScrutinizer05> and more braindamaged
2014-04-25 18:58 <whitequark> that's not clear at all
2014-04-25 18:58 <DocScrutinizer05> I have no insight at all into this aspect of Russian politics
2014-04-25 18:59 <whitequark> I would compare the top of the government with a nest of rats. this particular alpha male is quite paranoid and purposeful, but it doesn't mean that the nest in its entirety serves or even knows some common purpose
2014-04-25 19:00 <whitequark> they mostly gnaw on whatever's easiest to reach
2014-04-25 19:02 <whitequark> it's very clear if you look at laws they propose, at property they own, etc
2014-04-25 19:07 <whitequark> http://recode.net/2014/04/25/spacex-achieves-its-first-soft-landing-and-sues-the-federal-government/
2014-04-25 19:07 <whitequark> "It’s costing “U.S. taxpayers billions of dollars for no reason and to add salt to the wound, the primary engine used is a Russian engine,” he said."
2014-04-25 19:10 <whitequark> (I for one would welcome SpaceX in any circumstances, as competition breeds progress)
2014-04-25 19:30 <larsc> whitequark: The boss of that ULA disagrees with your ;)
2014-04-25 19:30 <whitequark> well, screw him!
2014-04-25 19:49 * DocScrutinizer05 ponders to apply for a job at Tesla Inc
2014-04-25 19:49 <DocScrutinizer05> did that since quite some time actually
2014-04-25 19:51 <whitequark> sounds nice
2014-04-25 19:51 <whitequark> or at SpaceX :p
2014-04-25 20:00 <DocScrutinizer05> well, I guess inner-company moves are not as hard as getting in
2014-04-25 20:00 <DocScrutinizer05> and actually I like their car too
2014-04-25 20:01 <DocScrutinizer05> both has quite interesting EE domains
2014-04-25 20:02 <DocScrutinizer05> sure, spacecraft is more ... geek
2014-04-25 20:02 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-)
2014-04-25 20:03 <whitequark> I dunno, spacecraft is more useful
2014-04-25 20:04 <whitequark> launch satellites for 1/10th the cost = immediate profit
2014-04-25 20:04 <DocScrutinizer05> FFS, 5 transmission errors on my 866MHz home automation during last 24h
2014-04-25 20:04 <whitequark> yet another ultra-premium car = meh
2014-04-25 20:04 <whitequark> (profit not as in "money in pockets of spacex", although that too)
2014-04-25 20:06 <whitequark> I say we *need* rapid reduction of cost for space launches. telcos who use satellites are practically all broke. science is eating sorry leftovers after NRO and friends
2014-04-25 20:07 <whitequark> that's not even taking into account "cool" things like human exploration
2014-04-25 20:08 <larsc> astroid mining
2014-04-25 20:08 <whitequark> that's so far in the future it's not even funny
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2014-04-25 20:22 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: inner-company ... so you have to start at paypal and work your way up from there :)
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