2014-04-23 00:00 nicksydney_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 00:01 nicksydney has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-04-23 00:12 http://bofh.ntk.net/BOFH/0000/bastard01.php is a tad different though. I wonder where from I got that "She lets you know you can get lost" 2014-04-23 00:12 no, didn't happen to me ;-P 2014-04-23 00:13 dos1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-04-23 00:54 atommann has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 01:03 atommann has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-04-23 01:44 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-04-23 01:57 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 02:02 nicksydney_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-04-23 02:07 atommann has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 02:13 EUGH! http://privatepaste.com/781a5655c7 2014-04-23 03:14 Luke-Jr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-04-23 03:15 Luke-Jr has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 03:36 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 03:40 xiangfu_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 04:04 xiangfu_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-04-23 04:04 xiangfu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-04-23 05:05 Luke-Jr has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-04-23 05:05 Luke-Jr has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 05:49 nicksydney has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 06:04 whitequark: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/23/plasma-desktopH31889.png http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/23/plasma-desktopr31889.png http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/beitrag/video/2139926/heute-nacht-vom-22.April-2014?flash=off 6:36 2014-04-23 06:06 Alexandr Djagilew >>nobody sane in maind has any objections<< 7:31 2014-04-23 06:06 mind* 2014-04-23 06:07 what's the background ? blue wall with grafitti and people ? 2014-04-23 06:11 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 06:14 well, I could understand whe whitequark is asking this, since the comment is in german language. But you? 2014-04-23 06:14 atommann has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-04-23 06:15 [2014-04-23 Wed 00:42:07] whitequark: congrats, your moscow streets get nicer now. Don't dare to think otherwise! The project manager clearly stated that those who don't like this project are not of a sane state of mind [2014-04-23 Wed 00:44:00] "Putin" painting walls with graffiti showing Krim in russian colors, and of course the logo i´of his party next to it I seem to 2014-04-23 06:15 recall they said "2000 walls" 2014-04-23 06:16 ah :) 2014-04-23 06:17 well, standard propaganda, i guess. painting it on walls seems a little antiquated, but whatever ... 2014-04-23 06:18 funny enough, even the local party representative thinks it's NOT ok to link those graffitis to the party 2014-04-23 06:19 honestly, i have no clue what would be considered proper form for propaganda in russia :) 2014-04-23 06:19 but honestly, are you all on datavolume quota or do I sense an almost religios aversion against watching any movies not published on youtube? 2014-04-23 06:20 why don't you simply watch from 6:36 2014-04-23 06:20 movies are extremely disruptive. and right now, YT seems to have cooked up some incompatibility with chromium, so i can't even watch them in the browser 2014-04-23 06:21 disruptive? 2014-04-23 06:21 you can't just have a quick peek and move on 2014-04-23 06:22 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 06:22 yeah, a problem for those with an attention span of <20 seconds 2014-04-23 06:22 the whole report is an unbearable 2:30 or less 2014-04-23 06:22 you have to stop, wait until the stuff loads, maybe wait until the ads are over, then listen to whatever irrelevant stuff is in the clip, maybe get some interruptions because streaming sucks, and so on 2014-04-23 06:23 mhm 2014-04-23 06:24 either that or your carefully cultivated prejudice about propaganda in German TV might suffer 2014-04-23 06:25 and of course you never say why you think it would be worth watching it. you just post a cryptic url without much further comment. e.g., www.youtube.com/q=Xt36757 vs. "here's putin in his underpants" 2014-04-23 06:26 again mhm 2014-04-23 06:27 I see, 8h is way beyond any reasonable memory, not to use the term attention span which wouldn't be to the point for recalling a post I made some max 100 lines above 2014-04-23 06:29 i don't necessarily read all discussions that seem to be just between two people ... 2014-04-23 06:31 or three, whatever. i may read stuff also when i'm merely bored, but then i try to avoid having to kill a lot of time ;-) 2014-04-23 06:39 You might not care, since it's far from where you live. But I got friends in Moskow and Kiew, and generally we're worried here in Europe about how Putin seems to consistently push towards cold or even hot war 2014-04-23 06:40 and brainwashing masses in Russia is just one detail in that whole issue 2014-04-23 06:41 atommann has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 06:42 sending 1000s of special military forces to Donjezk and other eastern ukraine cities to support a mob of maybe a few hundred criminal stupid fanatic separatists is another detail 2014-04-23 06:45 that mob torturing and killing official legitimate politicians just because they publicly utter sympathy or just loyality for Kiew government is what makes things just more obvious 2014-04-23 06:49 Putin calling fascists and illegitimate those hundreds of thousands of people demonstrating on Maidan square for literally months during hard winter, without doing much agression. While he calls "russian people that need protection" that mob of a few 100 teens with kalashnikov who didn't demonstrate at all but simply went burning down police stations and occupying military bases right away 2014-04-23 06:54 seems that he lacks some refinement. he got the basics of justifying just about anything right, though 2014-04-23 06:55 sorry this is not on my list of things I care about 2014-04-23 06:59 i guess the problem is that ukraine is a fairly large country. so you couldn't just make it a buffer zone between east and west, similar to the role of uruguay (before, argentina and brazil, well, or spain and portugal, had been at each other's throat all the time. having a little neutral country between them, than lowered the tensions considerably) 2014-04-23 07:00 oops, delete the last "than" 2014-04-23 07:30 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 07:38 I just wonder how weak that asshole actually must be to have to resort to this type of "politics" 2014-04-23 07:39 pcercuei_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 07:40 maybe russian peole is more fed up by Putin than anybody outside Russia, well maybe except him, actually noticed so far 2014-04-23 07:41 s/exc/anybody exc/ 2014-04-23 07:41 DocScrutinizer05 meant: "maybe russian peole is more fed up by Putin than anybody outside Russia, well maybe anybody except him, actually noticed so far" 2014-04-23 07:41 people* 2014-04-23 07:43 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-04-23 08:22 I wonder when he's going to have portraits of his fckng face everywhere, like the one with the beard in Cuba 2014-04-23 08:23 or the other one in china 2014-04-23 08:23 or that idiot in Irak 2014-04-23 08:25 Seems Russian people is the only one that ever happened to get democratized by its leader and then is almost actively pushing to get back their dictator 2014-04-23 08:26 I've seen some interviews in Russia during preparation of olympic games, Poutine's portrait was in a lot of places... 2014-04-23 08:26 mhm, already 2014-04-23 08:26 In the houses of the privileged guys running some hotels or some big company involved with the olympics 2014-04-23 08:27 no surprise 2014-04-23 08:27 "friends" of poutines 2014-04-23 08:27 oh, so just inhouse. Like the ubiquitous Fuehrerbild 2014-04-23 08:29 yes inhouse 2014-04-23 08:30 but I think it's already a good indication of how things are going 2014-04-23 08:31 giving too much importance to the person of an executive is just wrong (in any country, and in France it's not good either) 2014-04-23 08:31 All that should matter is the politics they apply, the decisions, the law passed etc 2014-04-23 08:31 not who they are 2014-04-23 08:31 your french spelling of the name has something mocking in it, sounds like sth to eat, a bird, or some sort of gay guy 2014-04-23 08:31 :-) 2014-04-23 08:31 it is something to eat 2014-04-23 08:31 la poutine 2014-04-23 08:32 ah yes :) 2014-04-23 08:32 it is 2014-04-23 08:32 but Putin is an insult 2014-04-23 08:32 it's "whore" 2014-04-23 08:32 haha 2014-04-23 08:32 http://dict.leo.org/frde/index_de.html#/search=putin&searchLoc=0&resultOrder=basic&multiwordShowSingle=on 2014-04-23 08:33 ah err sorry 2014-04-23 08:33 wrong spelling 2014-04-23 08:33 http://dict.leo.org/frde/index_de.html#/search=putain&searchLoc=-1&resultOrder=basic&multiwordShowSingle=on 2014-04-23 08:33 putain is the insult 2014-04-23 08:33 not putin :p 2014-04-23 08:33 but it's pronounced the exact same in French 2014-04-23 08:33 pcercuei_ is now known as pcercuei 2014-04-23 08:34 'putain de merde' I have to remember that one 2014-04-23 08:34 not the exact same 2014-04-23 08:34 ahah yep that's a very common one 2014-04-23 08:35 pcercuei: well yes maybe I'm not an expert in linguistic, it might be slightly different, but I think most people would pronounce it the same 2014-04-23 08:37 in French, Putin is pronounced Poutine 2014-04-23 08:37 yeah, sure 2014-04-23 08:37 well, if you read "Putin" in French, it's not "poutin", but the French word for "Putin" is indeed "Poutine" 2014-04-23 08:37 that's what I wanted to say 2014-04-23 08:38 sorry for the conversation switch :D 2014-04-23 08:38 Pûtine? 2014-04-23 08:39 pou , pronounced like in "poor" 2014-04-23 08:39 (or almost) 2014-04-23 08:39 yeah, but I think poutine has emphasis on 'i' 2014-04-23 08:40 while Putin has it on 'u' 2014-04-23 08:40 ah yes I think so 2014-04-23 08:41 usually it's hard to understand the word Putin prononced in a russian sentence for the French people 2014-04-23 08:41 because of this difference in the location of the emphasis 2014-04-23 08:41 at least for me 2014-04-23 08:41 :nod: 2014-04-23 08:42 anyway what are the last funny news about Putin? 2014-04-23 08:42 I'm not following that much the news about Russia, Ukraine and such 2014-04-23 08:43 nothing that funny, just the moscow graffiti artists now paint 2000 walls with motives that are giving him a smile when he's looking at them 2014-04-23 08:44 ordered and paid for by Putin or whomever in the hierarchy 2014-04-23 08:44 http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/23/plasma-desktopH31889.png 2014-04-23 08:46 of course paid for by administration and basically advertisment for the party 2014-04-23 08:46 ah that's Crimea in Russian colours 2014-04-23 08:47 of course also advertisment and propaganda for putin's reactionary and nationalist politics 2014-04-23 08:47 yep 2014-04-23 08:47 humm not sure that's very clever to draw this everywhere 2014-04-23 08:47 it's like remembering everyone "he look, we took that!" 2014-04-23 08:47 I don't understand the text though 2014-04-23 08:48 whitequark: are you not fed up everyone is tchit tchating about your country without knowing it really? 2014-04-23 08:48 * ysionneau honestly never went to Russia 2014-04-23 08:49 yes, they celebrate the prey very euphorically in TV and on 2000 walls now and in newspapers. He's brainwashing Russian people 2014-04-23 08:50 and a considerable amount of russians already cheers "hail Putin" 2014-04-23 08:52 another part demonstrates for "truth in TV", uttering their concerns about that brainwash, but those quickly get arrested or simply beaten away 2014-04-23 08:52 usual procedure to deal with "non-authorized public meetings" 2014-04-23 08:53 in eastern Ukraine similar pro-Kiew demonstrants get beaten up by "activists" or even get killed 2014-04-23 08:56 or 20 year old militant pro-Putin gangsers (in a group of maybe 100) trow stones at 70 year old people walking by, and hit them in the face. Probably the old ones said something the young ones didn't like to hear 2014-04-23 08:56 gangsters 2014-04-23 08:57 the old people were a group of 2 2014-04-23 08:57 that's a crazy situation ... 2014-04-23 08:57 it's so terrible something like this can happen 2014-04-23 08:58 what's even crazier, is that it's not some small country lost in the corner of the world and trying to hide from the world like North Korea 2014-04-23 08:58 it's a big very well known country, very well integrated in the world economy 2014-04-23 08:59 yeah, an only a 900km away from where I live 2014-04-23 08:59 where are you, germany? which city? (I won't come to track you down) 2014-04-23 09:00 Nue 2014-04-23 09:01 I don't even find it in maps :p 2014-04-23 09:01 I find some place in Toronto called Nue 2014-04-23 09:03 http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/23/plasma-desktopY31889.png 2014-04-23 09:04 ok, 1000 2014-04-23 09:04 ah Nürnberg 2014-04-23 09:04 ok 2014-04-23 09:05 though 1000 is road distance, not straight line 2014-04-23 09:07 will you come at EHSM? 2014-04-23 09:07 what's that? 2014-04-23 09:07 http://ehsm.eu/ 2014-04-23 09:07 DIY stuff talks, in Hamburg 2014-04-23 09:07 at DESY 2014-04-23 09:09 hmm, I don't know if I got time and money to go there 2014-04-23 09:10 also the topic is slightly off from what I'm concerned most about right now 2014-04-23 09:10 we're not making chips, we simply use them 2014-04-23 09:11 the focus there seems to be more on fundamental research 2014-04-23 09:11 science 2014-04-23 09:12 same for me, but it looks cool and interesting 2014-04-23 09:12 (except I have the money and I will take the time) 2014-04-23 09:12 sure, but it also is kinda expensive for me to go 3 days to HH 2014-04-23 09:13 ah yes there is the transport and hotel 2014-04-23 09:13 it's not just the ticket price 2014-04-23 09:13 400 bucks minimum I guess 2014-04-23 09:14 just wondering but, working on neo900 is your dayjob? 2014-04-23 09:14 and 4 days off, not doing productive stuff 2014-04-23 09:14 right now yes, sort of 2014-04-23 09:15 do you get paid for it? 2014-04-23 09:15 not yet 2014-04-23 09:17 so you live on your savings 2014-04-23 09:18 :nod: 2014-04-23 09:18 more or less yes 2014-04-23 09:25 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 09:39 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-04-23 09:40 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 09:57 xiangfu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-04-23 10:01 sb0 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 10:04 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 10:06 unclouded has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 10:14 atommann has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-04-23 10:20 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 10:42 DocScrutinizer05 has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-04-23 10:42 DocScrutinizer05 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 10:44 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-04-23 11:07 DocScrutinizer05 has quit [Disconnected by services] 2014-04-23 11:07 DocScrutinizer06 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 11:07 DocScrutinizer06 is now known as DocScrutinizer05 2014-04-23 11:09 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 11:20 this is interesting 2014-04-23 11:20 --> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-HLK-RM04-Embedded-UART-ETH-WIFI-Transparent-Switch-Module-Built-in-TCP-IP-/261361330069?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cda596795 2014-04-23 11:20 Details about New HLK-RM04 Embedded UART-ETH-WIFI Transparent Switch Module Built-in TCP/IP 2014-04-23 11:20 runs OpenWRT 2014-04-23 11:29 xiangfu has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2014-04-23 12:00 https://github.com/usrbinnc/netcat-cpi-kernel-module 2014-04-23 12:08 I'll stay with cat /dev/urandom | aplay I guess 2014-04-23 12:29 viric has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-04-23 12:33 viric has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 12:43 rz2k has quit [] 2014-04-23 13:00 viric has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-04-23 13:02 viric has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 13:15 jekhor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-04-23 13:15 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 13:21 nicksydney has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-04-23 13:23 nicksydney has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 13:29 suckers! don't they know the name netcat is already reserved? 2014-04-23 13:30 it seems that they reached quite a lot of people, with this kernel module propaganda 2014-04-23 13:31 advertising 2014-04-23 13:31 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-04-23 13:31 jr@saturn:~> netcat --help 2014-04-23 13:31 netcat: invalid option -- '-' 2014-04-23 13:31 This is nc from the netcat-openbsd package. An alternative nc is available 2014-04-23 13:31 in the netcat-traditional package. 2014-04-23 13:31 usage: nc [-46DdhklnrStUuvzC] [-i interval] [-P proxy_username] [-p source_port] 2014-04-23 13:32 only one alternative nc available? 2014-04-23 13:37 wpwrak: pretty awesome "anelok tv" episode :) 2014-04-23 13:39 nicksydney has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-04-23 13:40 nicksydney has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 13:48 thanks :-) 2014-04-23 13:49 what IC are you using to do the spectrum analysis ? 2014-04-23 13:49 i think i'm slowly getting the hang of doing that video editing :) 2014-04-23 13:49 that 2014-04-23 13:49 that's the at86rf231 of atusb 2014-04-23 13:50 all the magic is in the at86rf231 chip? 2014-04-23 13:50 it's a 2.4 GHz receiver? 2014-04-23 13:51 transceiver 2014-04-23 13:51 got the datasheet 2014-04-23 13:52 yup, it's a 802.15.4 transceiver, for the 2.4 GHz band 2014-04-23 13:53 nicksydney_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 13:54 nicksydney has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-04-23 14:02 larsc: :P 2014-04-23 14:02 wpwrak: hi 2014-04-23 14:04 ^... and if anything around 802.15.4 breaks, blame him :) 2014-04-23 14:11 wpwrak: pretty usefull to have a 2.4 GHz spectrum analyzer while developing an RF application :p 2014-04-23 14:11 wpwrak: your 3D-kindof GUI tool seems nice too! 2014-04-23 14:15 "came from .ogg files that were encoded from .wav files that were created from .mp3 files" 2014-04-23 14:15 urgh 2014-04-23 14:15 there exists two netcat implementation. One is from gnu (the poor one) and one is from bsd. 2014-04-23 14:15 /nick rms "you can have shitty audio quality, as long as it's free" 2014-04-23 14:16 eintopf: the gnu one has a nice "-L, --tunnel=ADDRESS:PORT" 2014-04-23 14:16 viric: but the bsd has a nice -6 2014-04-23 14:16 for ipv6 2014-04-23 14:17 who needs ipv6? 2014-04-23 14:17 :) 2014-04-23 14:17 me :( 2014-04-23 14:17 who needs ipv4? 2014-04-23 14:17 everyone which used ipv6 needs ipv4 2014-04-23 14:17 there is a address mapping range for ipv4 2014-04-23 14:18 I remember that the ipv6 stack added 600KB to the kernel memory usage 2014-04-23 14:18 600KB... so, about 1/20th of the backbuffer memory for this console window I'm typing in 2014-04-23 14:18 * whitequark adjusts the window to be slightly smaller 2014-04-23 14:18 it mattered for my 16MB routers :) 2014-04-23 14:28 wpwrak: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Netgear-Update-Router-Backdoor-nur-versteckt-2173996.html (sorry, de_DE) 2014-04-23 14:28 ysionneau: (gui) yeah, and it's extremely simple. just a bit of SDL and SDL_gfx. looks a lot more sophisticated than it really is ;-) 2014-04-23 14:29 DocScrutinizer05: you're very slow ;-) http://www.heise.de/security/news/foren/S-Hand-ins-Feuer/forum-278465/msg-25115972/read/ 2014-04-23 14:30 no, BuergerCERT is very slow 2014-04-23 14:31 sb0 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-04-23 14:32 hehe, on my linksys wrt54g there's DDwrt since I got it *as a gift* 2014-04-23 14:33 but it's behinf a fritzbox anyway, so double-NAT, double-PITA, doube-save ;-) 2014-04-23 14:35 traceroute to ct.de (193.99.144.80), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets 2014-04-23 14:36 1 192.168.4.1 (192.168.4.1) 0.993 ms 1.356 ms 2.353 ms 2014-04-23 14:36 2 192.168.178.1 (192.168.178.1) 10.213 ms 10.558 ms 10.869 ms 2014-04-23 14:36 3 ppp-default.m-online.net (8.3.x.8) 29.988 ms 30.433 ms 31.469 ms 2014-04-23 14:39 i took the inspiration from mickey and installed tomato. very nice and you don't have to re-learn the UI if you haven't touched it for a year or so 2014-04-23 14:42 openwrt gui is pretty great 2014-04-23 14:43 DocScrutinizer05: I guess it can't do much ipv6 2014-04-23 14:43 wrt54g is probably the worst router I've ever seen. broadcrap, and slow as hell at that 2014-04-23 14:43 like, my current uplink will saturate NAT running over it, and it's not even full 100mbit 2014-04-23 14:43 I don't mind (either of both) 2014-04-23 14:43 sb0 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 14:44 16Mb here, dl. 2 up. And yes, it's at 60% at times. So what? 2014-04-23 14:44 wrt54g is not for 100mbit wan :) 2014-04-23 14:45 DocScrutinizer05: dunno. I like to download 1080p. actually, a 1080p torrenting down saturates *one core* solely with checksumming the file 2014-04-23 14:45 and I boggled from IPv6 so far, primarily because that needs config chages to the fritzbox which might cause network outage not only for me but for the whole house 2014-04-23 14:45 and I can't access the FritzBox reset button physically 2014-04-23 14:46 those russian bourgeois have too much money to spend on fancy routers and on bandwith :) 2014-04-23 14:47 Putin will chage that soon enough 2014-04-23 14:47 and that's at mere 50mbit (I'd get more but 11b/g spectrum is full of crap, and this router has only one PHY, and 11a is incompatible with devices my guests sometimes use) 2014-04-23 14:48 lame excuses ;-P 2014-04-23 14:48 otherwise I'd long upgraded to gigabit fiber for $30/mo 2014-04-23 14:49 swaggerer 2014-04-23 14:49 jealous? :p 2014-04-23 14:49 not really 2014-04-23 14:49 DocScrutinizer05: now that i think of it, germany attacking russia doesn't sound like such a bad idea. you may want their fibers :) 2014-04-23 14:49 I don't really know what to do with >50mbit either, to be honest 2014-04-23 14:49 I hardly +ever* feel need for faster lik speeds 2014-04-23 14:50 I hardly *ever* feel need for faster link speeds 2014-04-23 14:50 the laxer the copyright law enforcement, the more useful some spare bandwidth :) 2014-04-23 14:50 16Mb down is mostly perfect. Up is sometimes tedious 2014-04-23 14:50 whitequark: seems that you're safe from DocScrutinizer05 then 2014-04-23 14:51 atommann has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 14:51 we do 50Mb via copper here, no need for gay glasfibre 2014-04-23 14:52 ;-P 2014-04-23 14:52 then otoh we don't route our cables from rooftop to rooftop 2014-04-23 14:52 DocScrutinizer05: I have 80Mb uplink actually. 50Mb is what remains after I spread it via wifi 2014-04-23 14:53 putin wouldn't want to have any gay fiber anyway. it's probably all manly industrial diamond :) 2014-04-23 14:53 DocScrutinizer05: despite it being 11n and claiming speed up to 150Mb or whatever 2014-04-23 14:53 prolly if this would be just +allowed* here, we already had fibre in every home 2014-04-23 14:53 what's the issue with routing cables from rooftop to rooftop? 2014-04-23 14:53 nothing, if you don't mind living like a spider ... 2014-04-23 14:54 I hardly can even see those cables 2014-04-23 14:54 I mean, it is worth noting that Moscow is on average >10 floor high 2014-04-23 14:54 prolly not true for DE 2014-04-23 14:55 a saw it at my old apartment. first it was thin telephone wires. then they added coax for catv. they may have mixed in some power lines, too. finally they brought in fiber trunks for internet. it's kinda weird to have a 5 cm cable dangling in front of your office 2014-04-23 14:56 I know a route to a certain useful shop here. on that route, a cable hangs down from a lighting pole, at about eye level 2014-04-23 14:56 wait til lightning storm ;-P 2014-04-23 14:56 for several months 2014-04-23 14:56 I am suspicious that it just *might* be live 2014-04-23 14:57 be a good citiz... er, comrade, drink a bottle of vodka, then touch it :) 2014-04-23 14:57 I never had the audacity of bringing an indicator screwdriver to test it, because who knows what voltage is it 2014-04-23 14:57 probably at most 380V, but... who knows 2014-04-23 14:57 the vodka will make you invulnerable 2014-04-23 14:57 you'll (try to) say so yourself after you've downed the bottle 2014-04-23 14:58 I heard that alcohol makes you "invulnerable" to falls for some of the same reasons cats are 2014-04-23 14:58 i.e. you relax your skeletal muscles while you fall, and so you basically touch the ground like a ragdoll 2014-04-23 14:58 yeah, so many benefits 2014-04-23 14:58 -_-' 2014-04-23 15:00 "SAFETY FIRST: BEFORE OPERATING HEAVY MACHINERY, DRINK BOTTLE OF VODKA !" ;-) 2014-04-23 15:02 "Road safety announcement: no drink, no driving" 2014-04-23 15:02 atommann has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-04-23 15:05 whitequark: there is a discussion about crazy russian new laws on internet communication, in #tox 2014-04-23 15:05 crazy things 2014-04-23 15:05 http://asozd2.duma.gov.ru/work/dz.nsf/ByID/6B5182C101F19FEA43257CBE005AF9B2/$File/Zakon3-1804.doc?OpenElement 2014-04-23 15:07 yeah I know about that law 2014-04-23 15:07 it's... legislatory theater 2014-04-23 15:08 what does the law say? 2014-04-23 15:08 all that theater serves a purpose 2014-04-23 15:08 just like the graffiti 2014-04-23 15:09 and TV news reports about fascists everywhere except in .ru 2014-04-23 15:09 ysionneau: "Gering-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding!" 2014-04-23 15:09 and moderators going nuts about thermonuclear attacks to USA 2014-04-23 15:10 and Putin riding a horse half-naked 2014-04-23 15:10 it's aaaaaaal the same masterplan 2014-04-23 15:10 ysionneau: ostensibly, that foreign services like gmail and so must store metadata in RU. in practice: "you're our bitch and you can do nothing about it" 2014-04-23 15:10 (no, I won't fetch my tinfoil hat now) 2014-04-23 15:11 since gmail and co will obviously refuse, they'll get blocked 2014-04-23 15:11 don't you see the masterplan? 2014-04-23 15:11 really, you do't? 2014-04-23 15:11 17:09 < whitequark> ysionneau: "Gering-ding-ding-ding-dingeringeding!" < is that a reference to Ylvis video "what does the fox says ?" 2014-04-23 15:11 :p 2014-04-23 15:11 ysionneau: yep 2014-04-23 15:11 ahah :) 2014-04-23 15:12 did you see the Add for Firefox OS based phone ? 2014-04-23 15:12 nope 2014-04-23 15:12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMJpK8cBjkQ 2014-04-23 15:13 ysionneau: it's terrible 2014-04-23 15:13 in a good way 2014-04-23 15:13 yes, I love it :' 2014-04-23 15:14 whitequark: (about the law) omg, nice one :) 2014-04-23 15:14 has the law passed already? 2014-04-23 15:14 I killed it at ~0:17 2014-04-23 15:15 ysionneau: that would matter if anyone cared about laws 2014-04-23 15:15 I bet they coordinated it with the turkish bastard 2014-04-23 15:15 in practice, they literally block whatever the fuck they want, with or without court decision 2014-04-23 15:16 DocScrutinizer05: you missed the funny part :p 2014-04-23 15:16 but it's even funnier if you know the original video (which was already 'WTF') 2014-04-23 15:16 e.g. navalny.ru is blocked despite the responsible official explicitly stating that there is no lawful reason for the block 2014-04-23 15:17 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 15:17 despite that, my ISP entirely ignores the block with apparently no consequences for them 2014-04-23 15:17 jekhor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-04-23 15:17 as I've said, no one cares about laws, either way. 2014-04-23 15:19 fucking spammers get really good lately. Absolutely correct German with a plausible storry about me having registered or signed up with sth they claim will cost money. To reject the contract, *please use form in attached .zip* BWAHAHAHAHAAAAAHAAAA 2014-04-23 15:19 ysionneau: does the way Crimea has been annexed make sense for you now? because he could. that's the only reason that is needed here. 2014-04-23 15:19 alas 50%+ *will* open the .zip, of course using windoze 2014-04-23 15:20 DocScrutinizer05: I've seen that for ~2 years already, in english. *really* well-copied forms from major banks, etc 2014-04-23 15:20 DocScrutinizer05: eventually they will evolve better technical skills, too ... 2014-04-23 15:20 absolutely indistinguishable from genuine ones, easily tricking me 2014-04-23 15:20 except for the .exe 2014-04-23 15:22 well, they never use the right email addr to send me that crap. But this time they were scaringly close: my yahoo mail account incl proper display name :-o 2014-04-23 15:23 whitequark: I just know that somehow Crimea was "strategic" for Russia, and since the ukraine was being unstable then they unlawfully (is there any lawful way of doing it?) basically took Crimea with the army and annexed it 2014-04-23 15:23 oooh wait, they sent to yahoo. Meh, need more coffee 2014-04-23 15:23 I seen mails with correct To *and* From address, they've even passed DKIM checks (!) 2014-04-23 15:23 no clue how they did that 2014-04-23 15:23 with some dummy reasons like "it was naturally our ground" 2014-04-23 15:24 ysionneau: it's not like international law exists in general. it's some fiction written by whoever was the strongest 2014-04-23 15:24 I guess the fact that a lot of people speak russian in this area helps to justify the takeover 2014-04-23 15:25 well, the population of Crimea is overwhelmingly for the takeover 2014-04-23 15:25 that, and the propaganda about "fascists everywhere, only Putin can help you!" 2014-04-23 15:25 which is understandable, since it mostly comes from or is related to russian military bases there 2014-04-23 15:26 yes 2014-04-23 15:27 but at the origin the port was landed to Russia for their ships, in exchange of a 30% cut in the gaz price, right ? 2014-04-23 15:27 sure. I plotted that a week or so ago: send a few thousand "imigrants" or whatever. Make up some threat they face. Send more to help the original ones. Finally take over since you got the majority anyway 2014-04-23 15:27 then Russia took the land and said "ok please pay us back all the history of gaz that you paid for less than the real price" 2014-04-23 15:28 basically yes, afaik 2014-04-23 15:28 which is ... kind of a weird way to honour the "contract" 2014-04-23 15:28 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 15:29 like stealing a shop and then asking for refund for the goods you purchased there from the ex owner 2014-04-23 15:29 ahah sure 2014-04-23 15:29 since "sucker, it's my shop now, so you pay back the money I gave you!" 2014-04-23 15:30 you have this weird assumption that intl politics has some kind of rules 2014-04-23 15:30 it's cute 2014-04-23 15:30 well, it's human big social game 2014-04-23 15:30 social interactions have rules 2014-04-23 15:31 for everyone to be happy, everyone else has to be nice to each other 2014-04-23 15:31 oh, they do. me_stronger ? i_make_the_rules : youre_worse_than_hitler; 2014-04-23 15:31 and respect things like treaty, contracts etc 2014-04-23 15:31 rules as in physics, sure. rules like "don't break the contract"? lol 2014-04-23 15:32 if you don't respect contracts kind of stuff, how can you build a society/world that works and that does not fall into chaos ? 2014-04-23 15:32 like with rules and laws 2014-04-23 15:32 :( 2014-04-23 15:32 if the cost of breaking it is lower than cost of fulfilling, it *will* be broken 2014-04-23 15:32 contracts_benefits_me ? emphasize_the_sacticity_of_honoring_ones_word : meh; 2014-04-23 15:32 ysionneau: you're assuming that is a goal 2014-04-23 15:32 no, but I'd at least expect a minimum of common sense 2014-04-23 15:32 yep, I assume that most people want to achieve that 2014-04-23 15:32 at least try to pretend they had somthing like common sense 2014-04-23 15:33 whitequark: but yes, I have no illusion anymore about Putin having this kind of goal 2014-04-23 15:33 it's clear to me that he only has a big ego issue, and he just tries to make up for it 2014-04-23 15:34 so he needs bigger country, more money 2014-04-23 15:34 a bigger olympics than anybody 2014-04-23 15:34 honestly WHY is this sucker Putin bothering to talk to us to spread his lies, when everybody clearly can see those are lies? Wouldn't it be "smarter" to simply waste his time with better things than talking lies to the international public 2014-04-23 15:34 bigger anything 2014-04-23 15:34 ysionneau: he's not that dumb 2014-04-23 15:34 bigger country translates to more loyalty, quite directly 2014-04-23 15:34 there is a lot of people that are really happy to see RU expanding. patriotism, all that shit 2014-04-23 15:35 oua :( 2014-04-23 15:35 but the end goal, what is it? 2014-04-23 15:35 toldya 2014-04-23 15:35 he wants people t o like him? 2014-04-23 15:35 he wants to be seen as a hero? 2014-04-23 15:35 and who's not happy about it will soon regret he isn't 2014-04-23 15:35 he wants money? 2014-04-23 15:35 he wants to rule 2014-04-23 15:36 short dick, you know 2014-04-23 15:36 And above all he wants to annoy DocScrutinizer05 2014-04-23 15:36 everything else is either a precondition or a consequence 2014-04-23 15:37 larsc: wow! 2014-04-23 15:38 larsc: that's terrible accusation, you say it's all *my* fault 2014-04-23 15:38 wars have been started over less 2014-04-23 15:38 bwahahahahaha 2014-04-23 15:38 I rather think he wants to imprss you! 2014-04-23 15:39 * whitequark fetches a five-liter bucket of popcorn 2014-04-23 15:39 you shouldn't have worn that shirt, I told ya 2014-04-23 15:39 we always knew he's gay 2014-04-23 15:39 sb0 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-04-23 15:40 sb0 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 15:41 * wpwrak fills the bathtub with popcorn, pours some oil over it, sets it on fire 2014-04-23 15:43 relevant: http://pleer.com/tracks/22614Mf0S 2014-04-23 15:51 (lies) sorry I forgot every communication seemingly directed to international addr is actually just another bit of the .ru-internal brainwash puzzle 2014-04-23 15:52 "No, we don't have official troops there ( )" APLAUSE, LAUGHTER 2014-04-23 15:53 maybe calling Obama a moron was simpler than those lies. Ow wait, didn't he? 2014-04-23 15:54 Russia is missing an enemy 2014-04-23 15:55 an army man (or - in this case - secret service) can't excel without some enemy 2014-04-23 15:56 what else could he do to impress the russian people? demonstrate that he knows to add 2 + 2 2014-04-23 15:56 ? 2014-04-23 15:57 obviously he can't make "money for nothing, and chicks for free" come true for most of his people 2014-04-23 15:58 all he got is his military engine 2014-04-23 15:58 and gas 2014-04-23 15:59 he failed to excel on relevant reasonable statements and actions in internationalpeaceful politics, so nobody cares about him 2014-04-23 15:59 dos1 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 15:59 hi DocScrutinizer05 2014-04-23 16:00 hi dos1 2014-04-23 16:00 :-S 2014-04-23 16:00 hi dos1 :D 2014-04-23 16:00 :-D 2014-04-23 16:03 ooh, I forgot: a seat in UN security council. Which is worth nothing unless you say "Niet!" to everything 2014-04-23 16:04 pubertary behavior 2014-04-23 16:04 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-04-23 16:04 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 16:04 err, adolescent 2014-04-23 16:05 renitent 2014-04-23 16:06 let's hope eventually he'll grow out of it 2014-04-23 16:08 or die one day and be replaced by someone kinder/nicer 2014-04-23 16:08 the first part is very likely 2014-04-23 16:09 wow, not even google translate knows "renitent" 2014-04-23 17:38 is Google's "Project ARA" the renamed Bloks-phone? 2014-04-23 17:38 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-04-23 17:40 yep, it is 2014-04-23 17:43 will that thing actually work, or is it just publicity? 2014-04-23 17:47 actually, they claim that Motorola worked on Ara even before that designer drawed his idea, named it Phonebloks and announced to the world that it would be nice if such things that he drawed actually existed :P 2014-04-23 17:48 they announced it soon after phonebloks became viral, to redirect some of the buzz to them for free I guess 2014-04-23 17:50 tbh it's a very nice r&d project to conduct which may spawn some nice solutions 2014-04-23 17:50 but I just can't see anything more to it when I look at it :P 2014-04-23 17:58 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 18:06 sb0: flypaper idea 2014-04-23 18:06 a hoax 2014-04-23 18:09 one of those ideas that never die but never have a real life either 2014-04-23 18:18 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-04-23 18:21 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 18:37 I'm quite sure we had that discussion about modularity in embedded already back when I worked for Openmoko 2014-04-23 18:38 it's really not a new idea, it's just hyped recently 2014-04-23 18:38 thanks to the shiny new world of social media 2014-04-23 18:38 Ron Hubbard's paradise 2014-04-23 18:42 https://phonebloks.com/en/goals " 979,260 supporters 381,772,413 social reach 518,385 social followers 21,313,422 youtube views " 2014-04-23 18:42 Jay7x is now known as Jay7 2014-04-23 18:43 I'm honestly tempted by the tentacled one to create a similar hoax 2014-04-23 18:44 just have to find a way to overcome my moral and shame 2014-04-23 18:47 why? just make something up, do a animated presentation about your idea and tell something like "wouldn't it be great to have something like that? support it now!" 2014-04-23 18:48 sure, and then I don't dare to leave my apartment anymore 2014-04-23 18:48 that's nothing about "moral and shame", at least at this point 2014-04-23 18:48 after all I could run into somebody who challenges me on the idea face to face 2014-04-23 18:49 then just watch the clueless mob and media treating this idea as a real project that needs some "kickstarting" to be realized 2014-04-23 18:49 at *this* point it might be morally ambiguous ;) 2014-04-23 18:49 while I'm constantly practicing, I haven't reached mastership yet regarding BOFH 2014-04-23 18:49 ;-) 2014-04-23 18:50 but let's finish the Neo900 prototype first, then rethink this idea 2014-04-23 18:50 good point :) 2014-04-23 18:51 creating the video becomes mich easier 2014-04-23 18:51 much* 2014-04-23 19:43 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-04-23 20:12 dos1: they already have "donations", even a whole 2445 of them: https://phonebloks.com/en/donate 2014-04-23 20:13 "We will spend every penny in expanding the online Phonebloks platform" 2014-04-23 20:13 wpwrak: haha! when I last checked they (he?) were all "it's about the idea, we take no donations, just spread the world so companies will know that we want it!" 2014-04-23 20:13 i.e. on hot air 2014-04-23 20:15 "it's not about money. we're not that greedy. just spread the good word." 2014-04-23 20:15 "hmm, this server is quite expensive to run ..." 2014-04-23 20:15 meanwhile, if you want to build actual OSHW, what do you get? the publicity and cash starvation we are familiar with... 2014-04-23 20:16 "hey, you know what ? since so many you have been asking how to send us money, we thought we owe you setting up a way to do it." 2014-04-23 20:16 q: do they publish anywhere how much they collected so far ? 2014-04-23 20:17 sb0: yeah. exactly. we're doing it wrong. the more you promise, the less you get. 2014-04-23 20:18 or, rather, the more tangible your promises, the less you get 2014-04-23 20:18 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 20:18 I read this book a few months ago http://www.hippiessavedphysics.com/ 2014-04-23 20:19 maybe I should start asking those "technology singularity" people for money, instead of only mocking them 2014-04-23 20:19 1) promise a pie in the sky in a way that most of people will say "hmm, seems legit" 2014-04-23 20:19 2) ... 2014-04-23 20:19 3) profit :P 2014-04-23 20:19 i mean, there's a success story out there: the church. they've been in the businness for well over a thousand years, and do they have even one satisfied customer who can report "yes, it works. i really did get to heaven !" 2014-04-23 20:21 dos1: neo900 almost got it right - i found the idea of the "donations" brilliant. alas, you turned into boring old preorders in the terms and conditions 2014-04-23 20:24 speaking of which, i used the opportunity to do a little more name dropping: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/foren/S-zum-Invite-Modell/forum-278531/msg-25121673/read/ 2014-04-23 20:31 nice :) 2014-04-23 20:33 wpwrak: about donations - how do you think it should look like then? 2014-04-23 20:35 pure donations for development, and then regular preorders at lower price, not connected to donations at all? 2014-04-23 20:39 that's one idea, yes. perhaps you could also make a "club" where people pay "membership fees" and discounts on what the club produces are based on their contributions. 2014-04-23 20:40 it's tricky because there is a gray area somewhere between "no promises" and "business as usual" 2014-04-23 20:41 you basically want to find a way to accept "gifts" and to be thankful for them later, with a thankfulness expressed in better prices 2014-04-23 20:42 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 20:42 that alone shouldn't be a problem. i mean, any trader can make individualized prices and has very few restrictions on that. 2014-04-23 20:43 the difficulty seems to lie in how to express the gratitude you're promising 2014-04-23 20:44 not by selling yourself to facebook, I guess 2014-04-23 20:44 or maybe it could be a cooperative. that seems to be an extremely flexible form of running a business. 2014-04-23 20:44 sb0: well, that wouldn't be such a bad approach 2014-04-23 20:45 sb0: depends on what conditions you can negotiate. but they would, for example, be very little risk of conflict of interest on technical terms 2014-04-23 20:46 sb0: and since "everyone" is on FB anyway, they may not really care to force your customers to be there, too, if they don't want - since they have most of them already, so why expend effort on the few haters 2014-04-23 20:46 oh, I was talking about Oculus Rift 2014-04-23 20:47 http://valleywag.gawker.com/oculus-grift-kickstarter-as-charity-for-venture-capita-1551921517 2014-04-23 20:47 i know :) everybody is talking about OR ;-) 2014-04-23 20:47 well, for the same approach - first kickstart, then venture money, try myIDkey 2014-04-23 20:48 if you want to watch the hate slowly bubble up, read this, from the bottom: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/myidkey/myidkey-passwords-at-the-tip-of-your-finger/comments 2014-04-23 20:48 and people weren't pissed at them finding money, but on them being late and communicating poorly. and then of course also the money became suspect. 2014-04-23 20:52 dos1: ^^^ how about a tiny news? 2014-04-23 20:52 "hurts the KS platform" 2014-04-23 20:52 hahaha 2014-04-23 20:54 ah, they're in ME hell too 2014-04-23 20:56 ME? 2014-04-23 20:56 mechanical engineering 2014-04-23 20:57 dos1: e.g., a cooperative can issue shares. the value of shares depends on the value of the cooperative. so you're not promising a fixed amount but that people will get their "fair share" in the end 2014-04-23 20:58 wolfspraul has quit [Quit: leaving] 2014-04-23 20:59 you can't hand out shares for free, and when you hand them out for money then err, what's the "fair share"? you can't do that when you also wnat to do true orders later 2014-04-23 21:00 can't you? 2014-04-23 21:00 if we were interested in that, we already had taken the VC road to slavery 2014-04-23 21:01 a completely undefined and cloudy/fuzzy concept. shares offering "fair share" 2014-04-23 21:01 fair share of WHAT? 2014-04-23 21:01 the shares would be in return for something you do for the cooperative. not sure what the limitations are. for sure monetary contributions could be turned into shares, just like you can buy shares of, say, apple. (they're of course publicly traded, which is probably not where you'd want to go) 2014-04-23 21:02 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL6e3co4Qqc 2014-04-23 21:02 wpwrak: please read a bit about shares etc before continuing on this 2014-04-23 21:02 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genossenschaft#Anteilscheine 2014-04-23 21:02 so WHAT? 2014-04-23 21:03 I DO NOT WANT to share my already small marging with everybody 2014-04-23 21:04 in the end the whole profit of the enterprise goes to those who have shares. *I* have none 2014-04-23 21:04 in one way or another, you do :) besides, the cooperative can also pay you for things you do directly 2014-04-23 21:04 no, you'd have shares, too 2014-04-23 21:04 aha! 2014-04-23 21:04 please stop that! 2014-04-23 21:05 plus the cooperative would probably want to reinvest in R&D, which is right where you'd sit :) 2014-04-23 21:05 it took us some 4 weeks or more to come up with sth we *thought* might work 2014-04-23 21:05 your idea is... sinply not applicable 2014-04-23 21:06 i think the big problem in what you did is that you started to operate long before you actually got organized. and by operating alone you created facts that are were incompatible with lots of the things you realized you wanted to do later. 2014-04-23 21:06 you obviously have no clue about share regulations and the obligations this creates for the ones doing that 2014-04-23 21:07 you're free to think that 2014-04-23 21:07 so the lessons i draw from your experience are: 1) properly organize the biz first, only then start operation. 2) don't do it in .de 2014-04-23 21:07 whatever 2014-04-23 21:08 DocScrutinizer05 has left #qi-hardware ["Konversation terminated!"] 2014-04-23 21:08 (shares) as far as i know, privately traded shares are pretty flexible. they can have votes or no, you can even control them changing hands. they're a world apart from publicly traded shares, the sort you find on stock exchanges. 2014-04-23 21:09 the publicly traded ones are nasty. the privately traded ones still mean that you have some accountability, but i guess you can't dodge that no matter what you do. 2014-04-23 21:15 and regarding letting the early adopters benefit a little from the success of the operation, don't you think that would be fair ? after all, they also share the risk that it fails. they're the ones who believe in you and who support you. it seems only correct to remember them also when some day the cash trucks start rolling in. you can still set things such that you get your mansion by the beach, the yacht, and a few ponies. maybe no 2014-04-23 21:15 private jet, though. but its noise would scare the ponies anyway :) 2014-04-23 21:26 arielenter1 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 21:27 arielenter has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2014-04-23 21:31 pcercuei has quit [Quit: dodo] 2014-04-23 21:52 arielenter1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 2014-04-23 21:52 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 22:28 sb0 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-04-23 22:40 arielenter1 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 22:43 arielenter has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 2014-04-23 23:00 jekhor has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2014-04-23 23:01 arielenter1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-04-23 23:07 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 23:13 Luke-Jr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-04-23 23:13 Luke-Jr has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 23:17 Luke-Jr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-04-23 23:18 Luke-Jr has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-23 23:21 arielenter has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]