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2014-04-16 10:43 <DocScrutinizer05> good morning (UGT)
2014-04-16 10:46 <viric> this is late even for UGT
2014-04-16 10:47 <viric> I hope you had a good sleep (UGT) :)
2014-04-16 10:48 <DocScrutinizer05> mens? you missed me?
2014-04-16 10:48 <DocScrutinizer05> means*
2014-04-16 10:48 <viric> no no, just greeting
2014-04-16 10:49 <DocScrutinizer05> Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
2014-04-16 10:50 <DocScrutinizer05> we could discuss "enter channel"
2014-04-16 10:51 <DocScrutinizer05> whether that's a wide definition or particularly a client action
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2014-04-16 11:16 <sb0> roh, where would you go to buy a 2.5mm thick PVC sheet in Berlin?
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2014-04-16 12:34 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: yes, the concept of "entering a channel" sounds a bit like old people talking about the flocks of sparrows feeding on horse manure (from all the horse carts in the streets)
2014-04-16 12:37 <eintopf> hi
2014-04-16 12:50 <DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak: mhm. maybe something I can ponder about during my next few beers
2014-04-16 12:50 <DocScrutinizer05> any hints what exactly the conversation would sound like?
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2014-04-16 13:44 <wpwrak> the discussion about the "always on" vs. "entering a channel" or the discussion of dietary choices of sparrows ? :)
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2014-04-16 14:23 <DocScrutinizer05> the latter
2014-04-16 14:24 <DocScrutinizer05> I fail to see the analogy
2014-04-16 14:24 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe I would when I could imagine that conversation of old men about sparrows
2014-04-16 14:27 * DocScrutinizer05 has a certain suspicion that 99% of own statements are similarly obscure to 99% of audience
2014-04-16 14:28 <DocScrutinizer05> according to my own approach that considers communication always consisting of a transmitter, a channel, and a *receiver*
2014-04-16 14:29 <DocScrutinizer05> and transmitter should take receiver's "encoding" into account
2014-04-16 14:31 <DocScrutinizer05> which basically forbids one-to-many conversations when the subject gets complex
2014-04-16 14:31 <DocScrutinizer05> at least I think I'm not exactly good in such 1:many encoding
2014-04-16 14:38 <DocScrutinizer05> while in a 1:1 communication the receiver usually decodes and acts on the info transported exactly like intended (e.g. by suggesting a number of possible meeting dates), even a 1:2 communication often causes massively differing not exactly planned reactions on same info with #2 of the two receivers
2014-04-16 14:40 <DocScrutinizer05> (e.g. by dissecting the statement and not considering it as holding any valuable data)
2014-04-16 14:43 <DocScrutinizer05> situation gets worse when neither of multiple receivers is aware about to whom and how many receivers the info been encoded
2014-04-16 14:44 <DocScrutinizer05> commonly (incorrectly) attributed as "lacking context"
2014-04-16 14:54 <DocScrutinizer05> probably too much thinking about the underlying principles completely ruined my actual communication skills ;-P
2014-04-16 14:56 <wpwrak> hmm, so you can go on a date but you doubt you'd be able to organize a flash mob :)
2014-04-16 14:58 <DocScrutinizer05> organizing a flashmob is simple, the subject's complexity is low and the details are pretty sharp defined in the "common dictionary"
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2014-04-16 14:58 <DocScrutinizer05> "be at location X at time Y" isn't too ambiguous
2014-04-16 14:59 <DocScrutinizer05> IOW: the encoding is universal
2014-04-16 15:01 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe the actual data for time and location is the part that holds most ambiguity here
2014-04-16 15:02 <DocScrutinizer05> sender should carefully consider format and system in which those data bits get encoded
2014-04-16 15:02 <DocScrutinizer05> AM/PM or 24h format. Which TZ. Which accuracy
2014-04-16 15:03 <DocScrutinizer05> location is even more complex
2014-04-16 15:03 <DocScrutinizer05> a lot of competing systems to describe a location
2014-04-16 15:04 <DocScrutinizer05> would probably need redundancy, so every receiver can pick the system he likes best
2014-04-16 15:04 <DocScrutinizer05> he/she
2014-04-16 15:07 <DocScrutinizer05> picking up on original subject, I consider "enetring the channel" to be a rather fuzzy definition, and probably fuzzy on purpose
2014-04-16 15:11 <DocScrutinizer05> for the flash mod, the channel itself is the major problem
2014-04-16 15:11 <DocScrutinizer05> mob*
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