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2014-04-14 17:35 I think the Ukrainian Government should ask Nato for help, just like those speznaz forces in eastern cities ask Putin to send (more, official) troops 2014-04-14 17:39 if they did and Nato (or any arbitrary EU country with strong military forces, e.g. France, Germany, UK) would actually send massive contingents to Ukraine, then Putin would rethink his tactics, since the net result then was the exact opposite of what he tries to achieve 2014-04-14 17:40 yes but even if they did, I don't think France or Germany would send any troop anywhere 2014-04-14 17:40 they don't even shout at poutine 2014-04-14 17:40 they won't send troops against him 2014-04-14 17:40 blue helmet peace forces with a strong mandate, to enforce peace in all Ukrainian regions ntil proper elections done 2014-04-14 17:41 and since Russia is in Security council at NATO , any resolution against poutine at Nato is impossible 2014-04-14 17:41 we obviously don't want to freeze during the winter ;) 2014-04-14 17:41 yes larsc :) 2014-04-14 17:41 ysionneau: WUT? 2014-04-14 17:41 russia a member of Nato now? 2014-04-14 17:41 Russia has "cancel vote" power in NATO no? 2014-04-14 17:42 o.O 2014-04-14 17:42 ah no 2014-04-14 17:42 I'm mixing with UN 2014-04-14 17:42 sorry 2014-04-14 17:42 nato is the anti-russia 2014-04-14 17:43 yeah, thought as much. My fault since I mentioned blue helmets 2014-04-14 17:43 which *are* UN 2014-04-14 17:43 yep ok 2014-04-14 17:43 but I think UN mandates can get decided upon without Russia agreeing 2014-04-14 17:44 poland actually already ask for NATO help, because they fear they are next 2014-04-14 17:44 and if not, then so what. We had no UN mandate for Libya 2014-04-14 17:44 DocScrutinizer05: they can without russia agreeing, but I think they can't with russia disagreement 2014-04-14 17:44 yes not a problem 2014-04-14 17:45 you will just not send UN forces 2014-04-14 17:45 you will send something else 2014-04-14 17:45 I'm afraid we won't 2014-04-14 17:45 EU are sissies 2014-04-14 17:45 but I really don't think that France or Germany would move a single finger 2014-04-14 17:45 ack 2014-04-14 17:45 it's not in their geopolitical interest 2014-04-14 17:45 (aka gaz) 2014-04-14 17:46 while i#m absolutely sure a peace mission would be the way better idea than embargos against russia 2014-04-14 17:46 [19:44] poland actually already ask for NATO help, because they fear they are next 2014-04-14 17:46 a peace mission? 2014-04-14 17:46 Poland is in NATO, so attacking Poland means attacking NATO 2014-04-14 17:47 a bit different situation than with Ukraine 2014-04-14 17:47 it's much harder to argue for Putin why Russia will stop gas when a EU peace corps moves into Ukraine when asked to do so 2014-04-14 17:47 sending military for peace always appeared strange to me 2014-04-14 17:47 but I guess I'm too naive 2014-04-14 17:47 than when EU announces embargo against Russia 2014-04-14 17:48 ysionneau: we bring you peace and democracy ;) 2014-04-14 17:48 well, you can either send military or hores to stop enemy military 2014-04-14 17:48 whores even 2014-04-14 17:48 yeah bringing peace and democracy with guns, it feels so old school colonialist shit 2014-04-14 17:48 or destroy them from within 2014-04-14 17:48 like EU did in Africa 2014-04-14 17:48 or USA 2014-04-14 17:49 like USA did on middle east numerous times 2014-04-14 17:49 ysionneau: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3325#comic 2014-04-14 17:49 whitequark: too slow 2014-04-14 17:49 we, bright white guys, are bringing science, democracy religion and almost intelligence to you poor dumbass black retarted people 2014-04-14 17:49 DocScrutinizer05: well, there's a thing that would work 2014-04-14 17:49 DocScrutinizer05: close russian borders *from outside*. 2014-04-14 17:49 and we take some bits of natural resources as a "thank you" 2014-04-14 17:50 whitequark: btw how's your local front? already first casualities during demonstartions for truth in Russian media? 2014-04-14 17:50 lenta.ru (the leading outlet) has resigned in its entirety a few months ago 2014-04-14 17:50 I'm not sure there's anything else left 2014-04-14 17:50 larsc: ahah :) 2014-04-14 17:51 DocScrutinizer05: (close from outside) right now, most of the dissenters who are actually capable of doing anything just face the fact and decide to flee 2014-04-14 17:51 if they could not, however... 2014-04-14 17:51 hmmm 2014-04-14 17:51 you think that's clever? 2014-04-14 17:52 in what way? 2014-04-14 17:52 I mean, it does make everyone else look like a bunch of dicks 2014-04-14 17:52 but it's probably the fastest non-nuclear-winter-causing way to end putin's regime 2014-04-14 17:52 to "imprison" opposition and dissidents into the kingdom of evil 2014-04-14 17:53 yeah, actually makes us all look like dickheads 2014-04-14 17:53 it would probably wise to phrase it smth like "let those most qualified to deal with evil themselves" 2014-04-14 17:53 but yea 2014-04-14 17:54 depends on what is more important to you, not looking bad or dethroning putin :) 2014-04-14 17:54 I nice Machiavellian idea, but pretty hard to communicate 2014-04-14 17:55 tbh I don't give a shit about putin, as long as he keeps his sticky fingers with him and not in foreign affairs 2014-04-14 17:55 the rest is actually up to the russian people 2014-04-14 17:56 he probably thinks the same about you 2014-04-14 17:56 I however think we should beat his fingers really hard when he tries to simply grab neighbor countries "because he can" 2014-04-14 17:56 "the rest is actually up to DocScrutinizer05's people" ? 2014-04-14 17:57 DocScrutinizer05: isn't that basically how all international politics is done" 2014-04-14 17:57 you do shit because you can, and then try to wrap it into whatever "laws" are convenient 2014-04-14 17:57 yep 2014-04-14 17:58 I guess EU decided that the cost of war is higher than potential loss from annexion of Crimea/UA 2014-04-14 17:58 yes 2014-04-14 17:58 that's basically what everybody thinks, worldwide 2014-04-14 17:59 not entirely unlike to NK 2014-04-14 17:59 a shame it's the standard equation used to decide about any engagement 2014-04-14 18:00 but actually I think an embargo by EU to russia is *more expensive* for EU than sending peace troops to Ukraine 2014-04-14 18:00 I wonder. what does EU export to RU? 2014-04-14 18:00 err, a lot 2014-04-14 18:01 trains 2014-04-14 18:02 or rather train tracks 2014-04-14 18:02 the whole embargo idea is based on the assumption that Putin would care about oligarchs. He prolly doesn't 2014-04-14 18:02 *of course* he doesn't. he only cares about himself. 2014-04-14 18:02 I wonder what moron thought otherwise 2014-04-14 18:02 nfc 2014-04-14 18:02 and why didn't merkel slap him silly 2014-04-14 18:02 because of his dogs 2014-04-14 18:03 why doesn't somebody slap merkel 2014-04-14 18:03 merkel? 2014-04-14 18:03 merkel is afraid of dogs and putin always brings a big dog when they meet 2014-04-14 18:04 merkel is a fool pretending to be a sock puppet - or the other way around 2014-04-14 18:04 btw. what's in it for russia? 2014-04-14 18:04 ? 2014-04-14 18:05 taking over ukraine 2014-04-14 18:05 well, you can't improve economics. what else can you do to keep yourself on the throne? 2014-04-14 18:05 expansion 2014-04-14 18:05 warshaw pact reloaded 2014-04-14 18:05 rz2k has quit [] 2014-04-14 18:06 err, USSR reloaded 2014-04-14 18:10 larsc: actually Ukraine becoming a success story destabilizes Russia and particularly Putin's power a lot 2014-04-14 18:11 so Putin's plan is not exactly to swallow Ukraine. It's absolutely sufficient when Ukraine implodes as result from the maidan demonstrations 2014-04-14 18:11 that too 2014-04-14 18:13 jekhor_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-04-14 18:13 so just some powerplay to strengthen his position inside russia? 2014-04-14 18:13 internal problems for putin already start to become obvious - just today (aiui) there been a rather huge demonstration in Moscow against that government directed media propaganda in Russia 2014-04-14 18:13 larsc: first instance yes 2014-04-14 18:14 putin tries to roll back all that glasnost and dunnowhat "shit" that happened to Russia/USSR 2014-04-14 18:16 he's pretty pissed about that "democratic" stuff, and doesn't like the fact that the president isn't nominated for lifetime anymore 2014-04-14 18:19 ugh. USA DoE revoked access for all russian scientists 2014-04-14 18:21 well, the russian activity of last ~3 days *will* cause reactions. Much more than only this 2014-04-14 18:22 still I guess Putin gives a flying F about it 2014-04-14 18:23 in Donyezk a guy in military uniform to local police lined up in front of him: "I'm from the Russian military, and this guy here is your new police president" 2014-04-14 18:31 actually every single word of Putin and his sock puppets is a lie. 2014-04-14 18:32 carefully listening to him and then assuming he will - always - do the exact opposite of what he's telling is probbaly the more reasonable approach 2014-04-14 18:34 Putin: "Russia will of course continue to deliver gas to EU as usual. However there's a risk of Ukraine stealing gas from that pipeline for themselves" Translation: "we will reduce gas deliveries and blame Ukraine for the deficit" 2014-04-14 18:35 Putin: "we don't interfere with inner ukrainian affairs. that's not our interest" translation: "we will make sure the troops we send will not publicly state they are russian troops" 2014-04-14 18:39 Putin: "I'm worried about the safety of citizens in $* in Ukraine" Translation: "we will make sure that the troops we send will act in a scary and aggressive way against any pro-ukrainian people" 2014-04-14 18:39 guess he was exposed to too much western propaganda ;) 2014-04-14 18:41 "we don't interfere" = "we're just returning fire when attacked by terrorists" 2014-04-14 18:42 Putin: "Ukraine government are fascists" Translation: "though soon Russia/me will rule all of Ukraine by a totalitarian system of authorities and executive, I'm not a fascist, I only use their methods" 2014-04-14 18:42 or when we "find" WMDs ;) 2014-04-14 18:44 wasn't it Putin who said "Bush been an idiot. *I* would've found those weapons of mass destruction in Iraq!" 2014-04-14 18:48 two soldiers moving into building with one large brown box. 10 minutes pass by. Same 2 soldiers leave building with two smaller green boxes, showing them to TV reporters. They open the two boxes, some 2 technically looking devices can be seen inside. The soldiers explain that these are the terribly dangerous new atomic devices they looked for 2014-04-14 18:49 they close the boxes, pay the reporters, and drive away direction next whore house 2014-04-14 18:49 with the terribly dangerous atomic devices 2014-04-14 18:53 somebody inspecting the building finds a huge brown box with a writing: "US Army. Educational material" 2014-04-14 18:53 empty 2014-04-14 18:55 depending on scenario and participants, make the writing "Russian Army" 2014-04-14 18:59 for something completely different: I wanna cp -a a complete directory /x/ to /a/x/. When I do 'cp -a /x/ /a/x/ first time, I get exactly what I want. Second time though I get a result of /a/x/x/ 2014-04-14 19:00 what am I doing wrong? 2014-04-14 19:00 (sorry for ultra-noob question, I'm not really at level with my mental powers today) 2014-04-14 19:01 DocScrutinizer05: try slashing the slash, so to say 2014-04-14 19:01 ? 2014-04-14 19:01 cp -a /x /a/ 2014-04-14 19:01 hmm, I think I already tried that 2014-04-14 19:01 or cp -a /x /a/x 2014-04-14 19:01 might try that 2014-04-14 19:02 the first one 2014-04-14 19:03 second one behaves like with slash at the end 2014-04-14 19:03 cp -al /etc/hildon-application-manager/ /etc/enable-catalogs/${2}/etc/hildon-application-manager/ 2014-04-14 19:03 http://privatepaste.com/2f1cae907e 2014-04-14 19:03 cp -al /etc/hildon-application-manager /etc/enable-catalogs/${2}/etc/ 2014-04-14 19:04 thanks 2014-04-14 19:05 yw 2014-04-14 19:08 arielenter has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 2014-04-14 19:11 http://privatepaste.com/12d4cd1c9d :-/ 2014-04-14 19:11 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-14 19:12 OOH 2014-04-14 19:12 * DocScrutinizer05 slaps forehead 2014-04-14 19:13 I prolly should stay away from such demanding tasks today 2014-04-14 19:13 ;-P 2014-04-14 19:15 http://privatepaste.com/c0e488ec40 \o/ 2014-04-14 19:19 arielenter has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-04-14 19:20 dos1: you guess what i'm planning to do? 2014-04-14 19:20 :-) 2014-04-14 19:22 http://privatepaste.com/f0ca90dcd4 2014-04-14 19:24 hmm 2014-04-14 19:25 rm -R /etc/enable-catalogs/all/etc/apt/apt :-/ 2014-04-14 19:25 ohmy, will get it right eventually ;) 2014-04-14 19:37 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-14 19:46 jekhor_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-14 19:47 FDCX has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-04-14 19:52 FDCX has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-14 19:56 OOOH, Ukrainian president asks for blue helmets :-) 2014-04-14 19:57 ysionneau: seems you're right, Russia can veto that 2014-04-14 19:58 and most prolly will, I'm just wondering which bullshit reasoning Putin will come up this time to justify his aggravating approach 2014-04-14 20:00 how would I make sure $1 only consists of characters? 2014-04-14 20:00 [A-za-z0-9] 2014-04-14 20:01 A-Za-z 2014-04-14 20:01 no bashisms 2014-04-14 20:01 right 2014-04-14 20:01 grep? 2014-04-14 20:01 egrep 2014-04-14 20:01 yeah 2014-04-14 20:01 k 2014-04-14 20:18 arielenter1 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-14 20:20 arielenter has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2014-04-14 20:28 sb0 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-04-14 20:29 there is also [[:alnum:]] 2014-04-14 20:30 messybox 2014-04-14 20:31 I'm sceptical 2014-04-14 20:34 it's PCRE 2014-04-14 20:45 alnum is acutally part of posix 2014-04-14 20:47 \S is PCRE 2014-04-14 20:52 ohhh right, I meant posix 2014-04-14 20:56 going to be a freelancer! :-D 2014-04-14 20:56 * DocScrutinizer05 does a dance of joy 2014-04-14 20:57 oh? what about neo900? 2014-04-14 20:58 i think the two will be intimately related :) 2014-04-14 20:58 DocScrutinizer05: congratulations ! :) 2014-04-14 21:12 :) 2014-04-14 21:22 wolfspraul has quit [Quit: leaving] 2014-04-14 21:57 jekhor_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-04-14 22:11 jekhor_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-14 22:17 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-04-14 22:33 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-14 22:34 arielenter1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-04-14 22:43 Lawrow reminds me to somebody... dang what been his name? "The americans are screaming in horror and flee the almighty iraqi army" 2014-04-14 22:44 just the background of the inverwiew back when was more funny iirc, since it didn't exactly show what this dude was talking about 2014-04-14 22:44 interview* 2014-04-14 22:47 Saddam's maehrchenonkel 2014-04-14 22:47 Lawrow is Putin's Maehrchenonkel 2014-04-14 22:51 yeah, "comical ali". he was great. 2014-04-14 22:54 dandon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-04-14 22:57 http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/ you have to scroll down to "-- TREASURY OF DEATHLESS QUOTES --" 2014-04-14 23:07 "I can say, and I am responsible for what I am saying, that they have started to commit suicide under the walls of Baghdad. We will encourage them to commit more suicides quickly." 2014-04-14 23:07 yeah, sounds about correct 2014-04-14 23:12 some people remarked that, in hindsight, he was more often right than wrong. see the reader comments on http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/19/17374006-iraq-war-10-years-later-where-are-they-now-mohammed-saeed-al-sahaf-baghdad-bob?lite 2014-04-14 23:14 comparing iraq with usa is absurd 2014-04-14 23:15 he had true moments though: >>"That bastard the American Minister of Defense Rumsfeld, and I won't say shamelessly, because they don't know what shame means. These are criminals. The whole word can hear the warning sirens. This criminal sitting in the White House is a pathetic criminal and his Defense Minister deserves to be beaten. These criminals lie to the world because they are criminals by nature and conditioning. They consider 2014-04-14 23:15 this a military site! Shame on you! You will forever be shamed! You have ruined the reputation of the American people in the most terrible way! Shame on you! And we will destroy you!"<< except the very last sentence 2014-04-14 23:16 yeah 2014-04-14 23:23 golden! >>"Yes, the american troops have advanced further. This will only make it easier for us to defeat them"<< 2014-04-14 23:27 jekhor_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2014-04-14 23:30 can't say he was wrong about that. instead of iraqis having to travel to the US to kill US-americans, they got them air-delivered en masse basically right at their doorstep 2014-04-14 23:31 hey, how can you defeat somebody at his home? 2014-04-14 23:32 Luke-Jr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-04-14 23:32 Luke-Jr has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-14 23:32 arielenter has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 2014-04-14 23:33 he didn't say "this allows us" but "this makes it easier". Though this is correct formal logic, it is nonsense in a conversation beween humans 2014-04-14 23:34 I can even make it nonsense in formal logic: opportunity to defeat X on X's own ground: 0. multiplication factor for "easier": N. 0 * N = 0 2014-04-14 23:36 unless my idea of what defeat means isn't correct 2014-04-14 23:36 "how can you defeat somebody at his home?" you mean "at your home" ? well, russia pulled that one off with napoleon and then again with the nazis who were apprently too superior to study that particular piece of history. of course, slightly different circumstances. i'm sure winter is nicer in iraq than somewhere in a trench in russia. 2014-04-14 23:37 sorry, probbaly my semantics of "defeat" were incorrect. Somewhere closer to "defend" 2014-04-14 23:38 "to defeat": "to stop somebody's advance or victory" 2014-04-14 23:38 ^^^ incorrect, I guess 2014-04-14 23:39 yeah, depends on the granularity. if you talk about individual soldiers, he was quite right. if you talk about the US forces in general, not so much 2014-04-14 23:40 in my definition "to defeat X at home" been analog to "stop a standing car" 2014-04-14 23:41 seems I have to completely redifine the meaning of "to defeat" for my vocabulary 2014-04-14 23:42 wej has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-04-14 23:43 shit happens with foreign languages, particularly when the term isn't technical 2014-04-14 23:50 ah, that sounds like an odd definition indeed :) 2014-04-14 23:54 on the bright side I know what "eventually" means 2014-04-14 23:55 wej has joined #qi-hardware 2014-04-14 23:56 yeah, that trips a lot of german speakers :) 2014-04-14 23:57 well, I just notice that neither "to fend" nor "to feat" are in my passive vocabulary. So no surprise I misinterpreted "to defeat"