2014-04-13 00:02 <wpwrak> i hope that car was stolen :) imagine the surprise for the thief ...
2014-04-13 00:02 <DocScrutinizer05> (notice sun) I have a mental concept of my geometrical position on the globe
2014-04-13 00:03 <DocScrutinizer05> alas not really, the automatic "exploded" on the highway, after some gashaed at the pitstop managed to mix some water into the automatic oil
2014-04-13 00:04 <wpwrak> urgh
2014-04-13 00:05 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed, much fun when suddenly your automatic oil completely abandons the gear
2014-04-13 00:05 <wpwrak> did they pay ?
2014-04-13 00:05 <DocScrutinizer05> nah
2014-04-13 00:05 <DocScrutinizer05> I couldn't prove their fault
2014-04-13 00:05 <wpwrak> suspected so :(
2014-04-13 00:05 <DocScrutinizer05> though it been obvious, it happened immediately after they had a motor cleaning done to that car
2014-04-13 00:06 <wpwrak> moral: just leave the motor dirty :)
2014-04-13 00:06 <DocScrutinizer05> what are those 100bar things caled?
2014-04-13 00:07 <DocScrutinizer05> you should be really really careful with them anyway
2014-04-13 00:07 <DocScrutinizer05> hochdruckdampfstrahlreiniger or somesuch
2014-04-13 00:08 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.kaercher.de/de/Produkte/Home__Garden/Hochdruckreiniger.htm
2014-04-13 00:09 <wpwrak> looks peaceful
2014-04-13 00:09 <DocScrutinizer05> 160bar
2014-04-13 00:09 <DocScrutinizer05> you probably can cut stuff with that
2014-04-13 00:10 <DocScrutinizer05> just needs another nozzle
2014-04-13 00:10 <DocScrutinizer05> and that huge round yellow thing for cleaning the floor can actually eat your stone floor
2014-04-13 00:11 <wpwrak> ;-)
2014-04-13 00:12 <DocScrutinizer05> for the Ford automatic no 160bar were needed, it had a pretty silly ventilation tube at top that only had a ridiculous "hat" on to avoid water simply dropping in
2014-04-13 00:12 <DocScrutinizer05> point a water jet at that from below, damage done
2014-04-13 00:13 <DocScrutinizer05> when the oil in automatic reaches 100°C...
2014-04-13 00:15 <wpwrak> smart design
2014-04-13 00:15 <DocScrutinizer05> yup
2014-04-13 00:16 <wpwrak> they should build airplanes. big ones, with lots of passengers
2014-04-13 00:16 <DocScrutinizer05> I thought they build moon rockets now ;-)
2014-04-13 00:17 <wpwrak> poor moon
2014-04-13 00:18 <DocScrutinizer05> I alluded a not exactly PC joke
2014-04-13 00:18 <DocScrutinizer05> warum sind die Tuerken noch nicht auf dem Mond gelandet?  Weil Ford noch keine Mondraketen baut
2014-04-13 00:19 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly very local specific
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2014-04-13 00:20 <DocScrutinizer05> unless Ford is the fav car brand of the turkish worldwide
2014-04-13 00:22 <wpwrak> is the implied context that they prefer ford ? or that they steal them ?
2014-04-13 00:22 <DocScrutinizer05> this joke must be damn old. Meanwhile I think BMW is their fav car
2014-04-13 00:23 <DocScrutinizer05> in the 1970 Ford been *the* car for the average turkish family in Germany
2014-04-13 00:23 <wpwrak> heh :)
2014-04-13 00:23 <DocScrutinizer05> and Ford Transit for turkish business, whatever that is
2014-04-13 00:24 <wpwrak> how things change, in a few years it'll be "why are the germans not on the moon yet ? because new trabant don't make rockets"
2014-04-13 00:24 <wpwrak> (and all the "good" cars come from china)
2014-04-13 00:24 <DocScrutinizer05> I think in the 90s with the "2nd generation" BMW became the car of choice
2014-04-13 00:24 <wpwrak> they're a decent enough choice
2014-04-13 00:25 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, except that the BMW motor absolutely doesn't like high RPM when not warm yet, that's why all those turkish BMW always had a blue cloud of smoke behind them
2014-04-13 00:26 <DocScrutinizer05> 1602 1802 2002
2014-04-13 00:27 <DocScrutinizer05> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:BMW_1802_front_20071114.jpg
2014-04-13 00:27 <wpwrak> oh, oldish :)
2014-04-13 00:28 <DocScrutinizer05> but that's been in the 80s
2014-04-13 00:28 <wpwrak> is 1802 the model year ?
2014-04-13 00:28 <DocScrutinizer05> in the 90s it been newer models, with basically same motor "problem"
2014-04-13 00:29 <DocScrutinizer05> well, you need to swap the 0 and 8, then it might fit
2014-04-13 00:29 <DocScrutinizer05> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_New_Class
2014-04-13 00:31 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, this one is the 90s "turkish" model
2014-04-13 00:33 <DocScrutinizer05> same M10 engine
2014-04-13 00:33 <DocScrutinizer05> same altoelvergaser
2014-04-13 00:33 <wpwrak> mine's an E36
2014-04-13 00:35 <wpwrak> 1996 and apparently well treated by its prior owner(s)
2014-04-13 00:38 <DocScrutinizer05> oops missed to add the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_3_Series_(E30) to >>yeah, this one is the 90s "turkish" model<<
2014-04-13 00:39 <wpwrak> the E30 look nice enough
2014-04-13 00:40 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, probably I mixed it up with E21
2014-04-13 00:40 <DocScrutinizer05> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_3_Series_(E21)
2014-04-13 00:42 <DocScrutinizer05> the E30 has no M10 engine
2014-04-13 00:43 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, I also had an E36 iirc
2014-04-13 00:43 <DocScrutinizer05> bought it from a turkish friend ;-)
2014-04-13 00:45 <wpwrak> ;-))
2014-04-13 00:45 <DocScrutinizer05> quite a nice car, except you couldn't drive slower than 20km/h. And eventually the rear shock absorber broke out ot the mounting point in trunk when I drove down a borderstone
2014-04-13 00:46 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly they replaced the shock absorber by a simple steel pipe
2014-04-13 00:47 <DocScrutinizer05> the thing had a ground clearance of ~3cm
2014-04-13 00:47 <DocScrutinizer05> had it ~5 months before it broke
2014-04-13 00:50 <wpwrak> you go through your cars quickly
2014-04-13 00:53 <wpwrak> and < 20 km/h shouldn't be a problem. the alfa 33 i had in .ch was a tricky beast for slow speeds. especially parking on a hill was messy. no torque at low revolutions. 1.7 l engine but some 130 PS
2014-04-13 00:54 <wpwrak> handled great, though. very sporty.
2014-04-13 00:54 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, this BMW had quote some HP but a sports gear or dunno what
2014-04-13 00:55 <DocScrutinizer05> 1st gear was already capable of 70km/h or somesuch
2014-04-13 00:56 <DocScrutinizer05> and with no gaspedal at all the car ran faster than 20km/h in 1st gear
2014-04-13 00:56 <DocScrutinizer05> at some 900RPM
2014-04-13 00:56 <DocScrutinizer05> weird
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2014-04-13 00:57 <DocScrutinizer05> of course the clutch was quite tricky too
2014-04-13 00:58 <DocScrutinizer05> had a characteristic like a clickdisk switch in a keyboard
2014-04-13 00:59 <DocScrutinizer05> try to press a clickdisk switch halfway
2014-04-13 01:02 <DocScrutinizer05> !stat
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2014-04-13 01:02 <DocScrutinizer05> I wonder wtf is "idle factor"
2014-04-13 01:03 <wpwrak> 20 km/h in idle is a little odd indeed :)
2014-04-13 01:30 <Web-aptosid876_> DocScrutinizer05: hows your stress level?
2014-04-13 01:40 <DocScrutinizer05> moderate
2014-04-13 01:41 <DocScrutinizer05> though, that might be missleading
2014-04-13 01:43 <DocScrutinizer05> objectively there's quite a number of stress factors pending to get dealt with
2014-04-13 01:43 <DocScrutinizer05> but I try to believe I can push that back a little and have them not influence my mood
2014-04-13 01:44 <DocScrutinizer05> also health issues tend to stress, I heard. And I'm just about to try and recover from those
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2014-04-13 06:57 <whitequark> have you heard that ARM has replaced its toolchain with LLVM?
2014-04-13 06:58 <whitequark> and somehow they contribute a ton without being held by the throat at lawyerpoint
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2014-04-13 12:04 <DocScrutinizer05> hehe, a 8 IPs scanned my box, of which 3 were crawl-66-249-64-\*.googlebot.com, 1 been internetsurvey-1.erratasec.com and 2 were researchscan010.eecs.umich.edu
2014-04-13 12:13 <larsc> for heartbleed?
2014-04-13 12:32 <Web-aptosid876_> thinking of commiting the sin of evilbay and buying this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nokia-N-Series-N810-256MB-Wi-Fi-4-1in-Titanium-/261445511507?pt=UK_iPad_Tablets_eReaders&hash=item3cdf5de953
2014-04-13 12:33 <Web-aptosid876_> looks like one can install a new gnu+linux system on it http://bues.ch/cms/hacking/n810-openwrt.html
2014-04-13 12:33 <Web-aptosid876_> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34713
2014-04-13 12:34 <Web-aptosid876_> trying to work out if it needs any proprietary blobs to work?
2014-04-13 12:35 <Web-aptosid876_> can I get a recent distro on it?
2014-04-13 12:36 <Web-aptosid876_> DocScrutinizer05: good to hear your not dead yet :)
2014-04-13 12:37 <Web-aptosid876_> :D
2014-04-13 12:46 <DocScrutinizer05> N810 is a very nice device, for a tablet
2014-04-13 12:47 <DocScrutinizer05> *THE* Nokia Internet Tablet (NIT)
2014-04-13 12:48 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't know about recent distros, I'd think I'd not like their window manager / desktop manager
2014-04-13 12:48 <DocScrutinizer05> and for sure any generic distro would have massive problems at least with charging battery
2014-04-13 12:49 <DocScrutinizer05> in N810 battery charging is actually completely software driven
2014-04-13 12:51 <DocScrutinizer05> however >>Tablet only. Missing stylus, charger <<
2014-04-13 12:52 * DocScrutinizer05 recently first time lost a stylus of his N900
2014-04-13 12:53 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess finding sylus for N810 could turn out to be a mission impossible
2014-04-13 12:55 <DocScrutinizer05> Web-aptosid876_: /join #maemo
2014-04-13 12:55 <Web-aptosid876_> yea but it's 99p sylus is just a bit of plastic
2014-04-13 12:55 <Web-aptosid876_> arr thanks
2014-04-13 12:55 <DocScrutinizer05> sure, nevertheless Nokia charges 6EUR for stylus
2014-04-13 12:56 <Web-aptosid876_> still cheeper than buy one for £20+
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2014-04-13 12:56 <DocScrutinizer05> and some of the 2nd source replacement stylii are either soft crap, or sharp so they scratch the display
2014-04-13 12:56 <sb0> Web-aptosid876_, or make it yourself for 1000€. welcome to the wonderful world of mech manufacturing...
2014-04-13 12:57 <Web-aptosid876_> btw I'd really like a neo900 if I could get them money ;)
2014-04-13 12:57 <DocScrutinizer05> you of course could crave a stylus from wood
2014-04-13 12:58 <Web-aptosid876_> or use my thumb nail :P
2014-04-13 12:58 <DocScrutinizer05> for charger you shouldn't have much trouble to find replacement, N810 charger is pretty simple and cheap
2014-04-13 12:58 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, that's what I did 99% of time, on N810
2014-04-13 13:01 <DocScrutinizer05> Nokia AC-4E output 5V, 890mA (or more), flimsy 2mm barrel connector
2014-04-13 13:02 <Web-aptosid876_>  flimsy.... oh no
2014-04-13 13:02 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nokia-AC-4X-AC-4-Mains-Charger/dp/B0009YCUG4
2014-04-13 13:02 <Web-aptosid876_> did you get install debian,openwrt,etc ?
2014-04-13 13:02 <wpwrak> sb0: shapeways ? :)
2014-04-13 13:03 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nokia-Efficiency-Mains-Charger-Devices/dp/B001E1G5P8/ref=dp_ob_title_ce/280-5925934-8907218
2014-04-13 13:03 <DocScrutinizer05> no, never bothered
2014-04-13 13:03 <sb0> 3d printing is a joke
2014-04-13 13:03 <sb0> it's just a visualization method
2014-04-13 13:03 <Web-aptosid876_> just to check, chroot is a means to doing a proper install?
2014-04-13 13:04 <wpwrak> for that sort of things it should work great. with a decent printer, not these makerbots
2014-04-13 13:04 <sb0> a pretty good one, but unsuitable for real-world objects
2014-04-13 13:04 <Web-aptosid876_> so you reboot into say debian or do you have the orignal os running at the same time as say debian?
2014-04-13 13:04 <sb0> well, electron beam melting is interesting though
2014-04-13 13:06 <wpwrak> i think i begin to understand your selection criterion ;-)
2014-04-13 13:06 <wpwrak> once someone figures out how to use a gigawatt roentgen-laser for 3d printing, you'd be enthralled ;-)
2014-04-13 13:07 <DocScrutinizer05> Web-aptosid876_: chroot is "running another OS" inside the original one
2014-04-13 13:07 <DocScrutinizer05> ((oversimplified))
2014-04-13 13:08 <sb0> haha well
2014-04-13 13:08 <sb0> EBM does this: http://www.technologyreview.com/demo/425133/printing-parts/
2014-04-13 13:09 <sb0> http://www.technologyreview.com/demo/425136/printing-parts/
2014-04-13 13:09 <DocScrutinizer05> Web-aptosid876_: in one shell (for example) your environment *feels* like you were on that OS/system you chrooted that shell to
2014-04-13 13:09 <Web-aptosid876_> as I feared. dam it chroot's no good
2014-04-13 13:09 <Web-aptosid876_> 128mb ram!
2014-04-13 13:09 <DocScrutinizer05> chroot is great, just you got an XY problem
2014-04-13 13:09 <sb0> the result is quite different from those puny molten plastic gadgets
2014-04-13 13:10 <Web-aptosid876_> anyway I was hoping to run a fully free system :|
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2014-04-13 13:10 <DocScrutinizer05> ~xy
2014-04-13 13:10 <infobot> i guess xy is The XY problem: You want to do X, but don't know how. You think you can solve it using Y, but don't know how to do that, either. You ask about Y, which is a strange thing to want to do. Just ask about X.
2014-04-13 13:10 <sb0> you can actually print car engine parts on them, not just claim you will someday like the makerbot folks do
2014-04-13 13:10 <Web-aptosid876_> not a fully free system in a non-free system, defeats the point
2014-04-13 13:10 <DocScrutinizer05> ~part
2014-04-13 13:10 <DocScrutinizer05> ~part #qi-hardware
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2014-04-13 13:11 <DocScrutinizer05> Web-aptosid876_: maemo is way more 'free' than you seem to think
2014-04-13 13:11 <DocScrutinizer05> the kernel is completely free
2014-04-13 13:11 <DocScrutinizer05> much of the core system is free
2014-04-13 13:12 <sb0> (press ESC as soon as the stupid javascript animation starts in order to bypass the paywall)
2014-04-13 13:12 <DocScrutinizer05> some few libs are closed blobs
2014-04-13 13:12 <Web-aptosid876_> yes but, in hte n900 it's full of critical bits that are non-free
2014-04-13 13:12 <Web-aptosid876_> from audio to libs
2014-04-13 13:12 <DocScrutinizer05> no, N900 it's exactly same situation, just community laready RE'd many of those closed blobs, like charger
2014-04-13 13:13 <Web-aptosid876_> the wiki page hasn't been updated then
2014-04-13 13:13 <DocScrutinizer05> hildon-desktop is free
2014-04-13 13:13 <DocScrutinizer05> you can actually run a maemo on a different device, without using *any* closed blobs
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2014-04-13 13:14 <Web-aptosid876_> yes maemo on a differt device can be free
2014-04-13 13:14 <DocScrutinizer05> ~fptf
2014-04-13 13:14 <infobot> from memory, fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308
2014-04-13 13:14 <DocScrutinizer05> ~cssu
2014-04-13 13:14 <infobot> somebody said cssu was http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
2014-04-13 13:14 <Web-aptosid876_> but what different device
2014-04-13 13:15 <DocScrutinizer05> maemo on a different device is exactly as free as maemo on N900 or N810
2014-04-13 13:15 <DocScrutinizer05> ~#maemo closed
2014-04-13 13:15 <infobot> #maemo closed is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages or https://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages
2014-04-13 13:16 <DocScrutinizer05> ~+chanset #qi-hardware
2014-04-13 13:16 <infobot> chan: #qi-hardware (see _default also)
2014-04-13 13:16 <DocScrutinizer05> mhm
2014-04-13 13:16 <DocScrutinizer05> well, then...
2014-04-13 13:16 <DocScrutinizer05> ~part #qi-hardware
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2014-04-13 13:18 <DocScrutinizer05> iirc for diablo there's even a hacker edition that's supposed to be 100% free of closed blobs. I might have that wrong though
2014-04-13 13:19 <Web-aptosid876_> diablo? hmmm
2014-04-13 13:19 <Web-aptosid876_> but you see what I mean about the n900? not good. hench neo900 is the only hope :)
2014-04-13 13:20 <Web-aptosid876_> diablo game?
2014-04-13 13:21 <Web-aptosid876_> DocScrutinizer05: sorry see line above
2014-04-13 13:22 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: hmm, why the part?
2014-04-13 13:23 <DocScrutinizer05> Web-aptosid876_: you're quite confused. a) N900 is not as closed as you think, and I don't see what you mean. b) Neo900 doesn't change anything about the whole thing, we only provide a new hardware, it's the job of community (see fptf link infobot pasted above) to port maemo to the Neo900
2014-04-13 13:24 <DocScrutinizer05> whitequark: infobot got bullied out
2014-04-13 13:24 <Web-aptosid876_> thats my point neo900 is new  hardware with a better level of freedom :D
2014-04-13 13:25 <DocScrutinizer05> mainly because of chanlogs it does, which contain join lines with IP
2014-04-13 13:25 <DocScrutinizer05> how's there any better level of freedom?
2014-04-13 13:25 <whitequark> oh
2014-04-13 13:26 <Web-aptosid876_> the nokia bs I was refereeing too: http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages
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2014-04-13 13:26 <DocScrutinizer05> *shrug*
2014-04-13 13:26 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't see how Neo900 is changing this
2014-04-13 13:26 <Web-aptosid876_> ?
2014-04-13 13:27 <DocScrutinizer05> fptf is changing this
2014-04-13 13:27 <Web-aptosid876_> I'll look again at these wiki pages...
2014-04-13 13:27 <Web-aptosid876_> ~fptf
2014-04-13 13:28 <Web-aptosid876_> I thought fptf was only for the neo900
2014-04-13 13:29 <DocScrutinizer05> rad the thread, at least first post
2014-04-13 13:29 <DocScrutinizer05> >>- or more generally to new hw platforms - <<
2014-04-13 13:31 <Web-aptosid876_> so new hw platforms includes old platforms like the n900, dare I say n810 despite it's little ram and cpu hehe
2014-04-13 13:31 <Web-aptosid876_> ?
2014-04-13 13:32 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry?
2014-04-13 13:33 <DocScrutinizer05> please take it to #maemo
2014-04-13 13:33 <Web-aptosid876_> I did waiting for a reply
2014-04-13 13:33 <Web-aptosid876_> oh ok
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2014-04-13 17:12 <DocScrutinizer05> most idiotic spam is that which has fuckedup dates like 2010-01-11 today
2014-04-13 17:13 <DocScrutinizer05> I always wonder if those idiots hope their spam will sit and hide there at end of list until it riped when finally it gets noticed
2014-04-13 17:14 <DocScrutinizer05> or probably it's a zombie job started 2009 and still running on some orphaned server, sending out same old spam with same old date since 5 years
2014-04-13 17:18 <larsc> it's running on a machine where the date is not set correctly
2014-04-13 17:18 <DocScrutinizer05> or that, yep
2014-04-13 17:19 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks for the hint, I forgot about that possibility
2014-04-13 17:19 <DocScrutinizer05> correct time feels natural to me meanwhile
2014-04-13 17:20 <DocScrutinizer05> forgot there might still be a few boxen out there that don't run ntp
2014-04-13 17:30 <DocScrutinizer05> ntp, a nice target to check for vulnerabilities. Would have a better impact than ssl flaws
2014-04-13 17:32 <DocScrutinizer05> well, otoh it's harder to exploit, particularly since it's not using virtually arbitrary and fast changing broad set of peer addresses
2014-04-13 17:32 <DocScrutinizer05> and not opening any service except on servers
2014-04-13 17:34 <DocScrutinizer05> lol! http://privatepaste.com/456d8854e8
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2014-04-13 17:55 <wpwrak> a NTP code injection exploit would be juicy :)
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2014-04-13 18:05 <whitequark> DocScrutinizer05: it uses udp though
2014-04-13 18:05 <whitequark> so if you make a real huge flood of udp replies, you have a chance of mounting an attack if the port is right
2014-04-13 18:05 <whitequark> DNS used to be vulnerable until it started using good unpredictable nonces in queries
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2014-04-13 18:40 <DocScrutinizer05> aaah, right, I seem to recall sth like that
2014-04-13 18:42 <DocScrutinizer05> well, a vulnerability the type of ssl heartbeat been would nicely propagate bottom up the stratum stack of ntp infra, and from top down spread across prolly 90% of computers worldwide
2014-04-13 18:43 <wpwrak> and we'd all have to return to telling time and date by feeling the warmth of the sun :)
2014-04-13 18:43 <DocScrutinizer05> a dual-binary aexploit covering redmond crap and linux would prolly already suffice
2014-04-13 18:44 <wpwrak> ... as it burns down on our tails as we crawl through the mud
2014-04-13 18:44 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
2014-04-13 18:45 <DocScrutinizer05> 1353,  >so far. give us time< ;-P
2014-04-13 18:47 <wpwrak> ;-)
2014-04-13 19:07 <larsc> there used to be people with synchronized watches that would walk around the city every morning to tell people the time so they could re-adjust their clocks
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2014-04-13 19:10 <wpwrak> when DocScrutinizer05 is done with the attack, there won't be any watches either. and certainly no synchronized ones ;)
2014-04-13 19:11 <dos1> there will be smartwatches synchronized via NTP :)
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2014-04-13 19:16 <larsc> I think what wpwrak was trying to imply is that there won't much of anything left once DocScrutinizer05 executed his attack
2014-04-13 19:18 <dos1> ok, badly worded: there won't be any watches, cause they will be attacked by ntp exploit as well ;)
2014-04-13 19:44 <wpwrak> think cool latte dame age
2014-04-13 19:47 <DocScrutinizer05> hmmm, seems other anticipated my plan:  http://www.linuxtopia.org/online_books/opensuse_guides/opensuse11.1_reference_guide/sec_netz_xntp_yast.html  >> By default, Run NTP Daemon in Chroot Jail is activated <<
2014-04-13 20:07 <dos1> firefox os simulator geolocated my laptop with ~25m accuracy :c
2014-04-13 20:08 <dos1> well, that's not really simulator, it's a firefox process running like it would on firefox os
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2014-04-13 20:35 <DocScrutinizer05> and what magic does it to locate the PC? Something similar to the HDD-gyrocompass of one of the last years' c't april's fools?
2014-04-13 20:35 <DocScrutinizer05> I.E. see if e.g. office-app has your addr as default
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2014-04-13 20:54 <dos1> DocScrutinizer05: visible wifi networks + online database, I guess
2014-04-13 21:34 <whitequark> yep. you can query the kernel cache of wifi networks without any credentials
2014-04-13 21:34 <whitequark> well, any user process can, I mean
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2014-04-13 22:13 <qi-bot> [commit] Paul Cercueil: Init the Menu before initializing SDL (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/9fba35f
2014-04-13 22:20 <pcercuei> oops, looks like I broke something at the same time
2014-04-13 22:28 <qi-bot> [commit] Paul Cercueil: Init SDL timers before creating the menu (master) http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/b1eedf6
2014-04-13 22:28 <pcercuei> works better now
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