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2014-04-12 01:30 <DocScrutinizer05> latest hottest news¡ NSA exploited heartbleed since >2 years
2014-04-12 01:30 <DocScrutinizer05> *yawn*
2014-04-12 01:31 <DocScrutinizer05> It's shocking to see which delay TV news have when it comes to IT stuff
2014-04-12 01:32 <DocScrutinizer05> I think I heard first TV news about heartbleed yesterday
2014-04-12 01:52 <DocScrutinizer05> hehe http://xkcd.com/1345/
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2014-04-12 06:00 <eintopf> morning
2014-04-12 06:05 <eintopf> wpwrak: so now I use some timings from the datasheet... then I need a driver_data for each chip which have the right waiting from the datasheet
2014-04-12 06:05 <eintopf> :(
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2014-04-12 06:07 <eintopf> To minimize this influence in
2014-04-12 06:07 <eintopf> Extended Operating Mode RX_AACK, refer to Section 7.2.3 “RX_AACK_ON - Receive with
2014-04-12 06:07 <eintopf> Automatic ACK” on page 51, the acknowledgment frame response time can be reduced to
2014-04-12 06:07 <eintopf> 32 μs.
2014-04-12 06:07 <eintopf> grml
2014-04-12 06:08 <eintopf> forget it, it's wrong
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2014-04-12 08:17 <eintopf> wpwrak: http://alles-schallundrauch.blogspot.co.at/2014/04/sind-die-passagier-in-diego-garcia.html
2014-04-12 08:17 <eintopf> :/
2014-04-12 08:19 <wpwrak> (timings) or just pick the worst case. i think they should all be pretty similar.
2014-04-12 08:21 <wpwrak> (diego garcia) i like the idea of hiding an iphone in one's behind. that ought to really hurt :)
2014-04-12 08:25 <eintopf> :D
2014-04-12 08:27 <eintopf> mhh
2014-04-12 08:27 <eintopf> there was a lot of electronic experts on this plane
2014-04-12 08:27 <eintopf> it's a job with risk if this is true :/
2014-04-12 08:27 <wpwrak> there's a factual error in the story,though: the date it was posted.
2014-04-12 08:28 <wpwrak> some freescale production engineers, it seems
2014-04-12 08:29 <wpwrak> the risk is putting a lot of your people on the same flight. this means that either freescale don't have a policy against this or they didn't care
2014-04-12 08:35 <eintopf> but want they want from the freescale poeple? I think about like iron man movie to built a iron man body :D
2014-04-12 08:35 <eintopf> that's a new theory
2014-04-12 08:40 <wpwrak> there's actually a documentary (film) that describes exactly what happened. look for Millennium (1989)
2014-04-12 08:46 <eintopf> ah, time travels
2014-04-12 08:46 <wpwrak> i you don't read the plot, then it's more fun to watch
2014-04-12 08:47 <wpwrak> the story has a few surprises
2014-04-12 09:13 <larsc> right... the exif location information in an image is "hard to forge"
2014-04-12 09:18 <eintopf> :D
2014-04-12 09:20 <eintopf> I remember some friend on facebook... he said, he is surprised because he copied/rename his photo file local and then upload it and facebook still know the location
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2014-04-12 09:34 <eintopf> After completing the frame transmission, indicated by IRQ_3 (TRX_END), the PLL settles back
2014-04-12 09:35 <eintopf> to the receive frequency within tTR11 = 32 μs in state PLL_ON.
2014-04-12 09:35 <eintopf> and that's not true
2014-04-12 09:35 <eintopf> I waiting 32 us if i am still in the TX_BUSY state
2014-04-12 09:35 <eintopf> grml :(
2014-04-12 09:37 <wpwrak> larsc: for the vast majority of homo sapiens, that statement would be true ;-)
2014-04-12 09:38 <wpwrak> maybe the TRX_END was here before you started sending ?
2014-04-12 09:39 <wpwrak> also, how do you initiate the sending ? i.e., are you sure it actually has started by the time you wait those 32 us ?
2014-04-12 09:40 <wpwrak> ah, don't mind about the latter. i was thinking of something else.
2014-04-12 09:40 <eintopf> wpwrak: I don't know but I need to figure out what's going on there
2014-04-12 09:41 <eintopf> I need some hours
2014-04-12 09:41 <eintopf> then it will be working *I hope*
2014-04-12 09:46 <wpwrak> oh, another thing: you can't count on always getting a TRX_END after RX_START. see page 53, that little arrow between "Promiscous Mode" and "Reserved Frames"
2014-04-12 09:46 <wpwrak> also, on FCS (CRC) invalid, the TRX_END should be omitted. though it says differently elsewhere.
2014-04-12 09:47 <eintopf> i don't use the RX_START interrupt
2014-04-12 09:47 <eintopf> anymore
2014-04-12 09:48 <eintopf> RX_START could bring some performance to read the buffer while filling
2014-04-12 09:49 <eintopf> see page 152
2014-04-12 09:49 <eintopf> but I don't know if I can do that under linux
2014-04-12 09:49 <eintopf> i don't think that I can disable the SCLK while async transmit
2014-04-12 09:50 <eintopf> ehm s/transmit/receiving/
2014-04-12 09:51 <eintopf> wpwrak: I can reproduce the step when TX_BUSY doesn't change to PLL_ON. It's when a RTT takes 10 ms and I try a ping with less than 10 ms interval
2014-04-12 09:51 <eintopf> then I don't getting out of TX_BUSY
2014-04-12 09:52 <eintopf> but I can't send two xmit
2014-04-12 09:52 <eintopf> I mean the xmit callback should be synchronized
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2014-04-12 10:03 <eintopf> i think i need some interrupt busy spinlock
2014-04-12 10:03 <eintopf> yes, that's a bad word... spinlock
2014-04-12 10:08 <eintopf> wpwrak: because I have a chain of spi_async calls
2014-04-12 10:09 <eintopf> and at the end I clear the interrupt busy flag
2014-04-12 10:09 <eintopf> and if it's set I return IRQ_NONE; insetad IRQ_HANDLED
2014-04-12 10:10 <eintopf> I don't clear the irq status register
2014-04-12 10:10 <eintopf> mhh
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2014-04-12 10:25 <wpwrak> now we're getting somewhere ;-)
2014-04-12 10:25 <wpwrak> being stuck in TX_BUSY seems odd, though
2014-04-12 10:30 <wpwrak> "The following packages will be upgraded: ... apt-transport-https" *grin*
2014-04-12 10:30 <whitequark> oh?
2014-04-12 10:30 <wpwrak> why could that possibly be, eh ? :)
2014-04-12 10:31 <whitequark> nothing in debian-security
2014-04-12 10:31 <wpwrak> maybe they did it earlier
2014-04-12 10:33 <wpwrak> hmm, nice storm. the building is shaking and the clouds are racing across the sky. funny that the weather forecast missed that one.
2014-04-12 10:40 <eintopf> :/
2014-04-12 10:40 <eintopf> the building is shaking?
2014-04-12 10:40 * whitequark read that as "binding"
2014-04-12 10:40 * whitequark is debugging a seemingly random memory corruption. indeed, the binding is shaking!
2014-04-12 10:42 <wpwrak> whitequark: since you languages are safe, it must be a hardware problem :)
2014-04-12 10:42 <whitequark> wpwrak: it's a binding to a C library
2014-04-12 10:42 <whitequark> when in doubt, blame C!
2014-04-12 10:42 <wpwrak> eintopf: yup. 15th floor. wobbles a bit when there's a lot of wind.
2014-04-12 10:42 <whitequark> I mean seriously, something is broken on the interface between libffi and libsodium. *shrug*
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2014-04-12 11:55 <eintopf> wpwrak: page 64, I can start to read the buffer at TRX_END but when I am finish and I am still in BUSY_RX_AACK, then I need to wait the full 192 + 384 us?
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2014-04-12 11:55 <eintopf> 192 = the stupid 802.15.4 timing to sending an aack then 384 = sending the ack frame
2014-04-12 11:56 <eintopf> okay it's not stupid :(
2014-04-12 11:58 <eintopf> wpwrak: maybe I should work with jiffies there
2014-04-12 11:58 <eintopf> save a jiffies at TRX_END
2014-04-12 11:58 <eintopf> check then wait when I finished the frame_read
2014-04-12 11:58 <eintopf> then save another jiffies
2014-04-12 11:59 <eintopf> calc the us how long it takes
2014-04-12 11:59 <eintopf> then make a substraction of (wait_aack_send + tansmit_aack) - frame_read_takes_us
2014-04-12 11:59 <eintopf> and then wait the rest
2014-04-12 11:59 <eintopf> sounds good?
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2014-04-12 12:01 <wpwrak> well, first ... wait do to what ? switch to PLL_ON ?
2014-04-12 12:01 <eintopf> okay
2014-04-12 12:02 <eintopf> I getting a TRX_END while BUSY_RX_AACK
2014-04-12 12:02 <eintopf> page 63
2014-04-12 12:02 <wpwrak> yes
2014-04-12 12:02 <eintopf> then TRX_END occurs
2014-04-12 12:02 <eintopf> means, I can read out the frame buffer
2014-04-12 12:02 <wpwrak> no
2014-04-12 12:02 <wpwrak> you already have the TRX_END :)
2014-04-12 12:02 <eintopf> ah yes
2014-04-12 12:03 <eintopf> yes, but then I read out the frame buffer
2014-04-12 12:03 <eintopf> and wait's on completion
2014-04-12 12:03 <eintopf> okay that's a little bit more complex first I read out how long the frame is, then I read the full frame...
2014-04-12 12:03 <eintopf> but simple we say I read out the frame buffer
2014-04-12 12:04 <eintopf> but this takse not long, because on BUSY_RX_AACK after TRX_END the rf231 send outs the ACK Frame
2014-04-12 12:04 <eintopf> and then I need to wait at completion time
2014-04-12 12:05 <eintopf> and then I clear the interrupt_bussy flag
2014-04-12 12:06 <wpwrak> by the way, do you have this ? http://www.atmel.com/images/AVR2022_swpm231-2.0.zip
2014-04-12 12:07 <eintopf> that's the programming exmaple?
2014-04-12 12:07 <wpwrak> (interrupt busy) you mean the flag in the rf231 ? or something in the driver ?
2014-04-12 12:07 <wpwrak> it's a lot of things :)
2014-04-12 12:07 <wpwrak> including message sequence diagrams
2014-04-12 12:09 <wpwrak> and yes, a bit of code, too. hidden between the charts ;-)
2014-04-12 12:14 <wpwrak> bwahaha. NOW they put out a storm warning. more than an hour after everything is calm and nice again.
2014-04-12 12:15 <eintopf> :/
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2014-04-12 19:50 <wpwrak> grmbl. with that storm i'll get seasick ...
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2014-04-12 20:13 <wpwrak> sometimes i wonder if certain companies post job offers specifically looking for an "overengineer" ...
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2014-04-12 21:01 <wpwrak> hmm. that radio has about 250 registers ...
2014-04-12 21:02 <wpwrak> yet they forgot the subspace modulation ...
2014-04-12 21:18 <roh> hrhr
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2014-04-12 21:35 <wpwrak> the radio also has a CMD_PING. alas, without payload
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2014-04-12 22:55 <DocScrutinizer05> seasick? subspace?
2014-04-12 22:57 <wpwrak> seasick: because the building is shaking when there's a strong wind. should reach 80-90 km/h tonight.
2014-04-12 22:57 <wpwrak> subspace: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subspace_(Star_Trek)
2014-04-12 23:02 <DocScrutinizer05> dang, you're living on top of a skyscraper?
2014-04-12 23:03 <DocScrutinizer05> actually I know such shaking only from really really high skyscrapers
2014-04-12 23:03 <DocScrutinizer05> or 60m high light posts that are only a maybe 2m diameter at base
2014-04-12 23:04 <DocScrutinizer05> or cranes(?)
2014-04-12 23:04 <wpwrak> my office is on the 15th floor. not quite skyscraper but tallish. and high enough to notice storms.
2014-04-12 23:04 <wpwrak> (or earthquakes :)
2014-04-12 23:05 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.flieg-doch-mal.de/cms/upload/bilder/allgemeine_luftfahrt/leistungsfaehigkeit/leistungsf06a_kl.jpg
2014-04-12 23:05 <wpwrak> yeah :)
2014-04-12 23:06 <DocScrutinizer05> hmmm, strange. I've been in a number of 10+ floors, incl OM-apartment, when there were storms. Hardly ever noticed any movement
2014-04-12 23:07 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe your skyscraper is a special type of building
2014-04-12 23:09 <DocScrutinizer05> the usual 'joy' with KDE akonadi and nepomuk: http://privatepaste.com/e5edfdde6b
2014-04-12 23:09 <wpwrak> it's relatively thin. only some 8 m wide. so it flexes easily.
2014-04-12 23:09 <DocScrutinizer05> oooh!
2014-04-12 23:10 <DocScrutinizer05> then yes, I can see  how you might get seasick in 15th floor
2014-04-12 23:10 <wpwrak> well, the base is wider. but it narrows at the ... 4th floor i think
2014-04-12 23:11 <wpwrak> and it's very exposed. so the wind has all the attack surface it wants
2014-04-12 23:11 <DocScrutinizer05> and that's also where your terrace with your BBQ and generator is located?
2014-04-12 23:11 <wpwrak> that's one floor up. and no, no generator. but my acids are there :)
2014-04-12 23:11 <DocScrutinizer05> then I also can understand why all rocks fly away from there
2014-04-12 23:12 <wpwrak> well, i hope the wind didn't blow them away :)
2014-04-12 23:12 <DocScrutinizer05> ever considered placing a windmill there instead of a gasoline generator?
2014-04-12 23:12 <wpwrak> ;-)
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2014-04-12 23:13 <DocScrutinizer05> I bet you'd be the first one to place a windmill in BUE
2014-04-12 23:14 <DocScrutinizer05> and we could spot your place in google satview then
2014-04-12 23:14 <wpwrak> i can help you with that ...
2014-04-12 23:16 <DocScrutinizer05> I wonder why you need blinds in 15th floor
2014-04-12 23:16 <DocScrutinizer05> sun?
2014-04-12 23:16 <wpwrak> the building in the middle https://www.google.com/maps/@-34.6119828,-58.4124362,231m/data=!3m1!1e3
2014-04-12 23:17 <wpwrak> hmm, no zoom in those urls
2014-04-12 23:18 <DocScrutinizer05> this one? http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/13/plasma-desktopnG1775.png
2014-04-12 23:18 <wpwrak> yes, sun. too bright during daytime (my screens face the window)
2014-04-12 23:18 <wpwrak> icon too small :)
2014-04-12 23:19 <wpwrak> and no, the one to the right
2014-04-12 23:19 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/13/plasma-desktopnG1775.png or that one?
2014-04-12 23:20 <DocScrutinizer05> ugh http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/13/plasma-desktopoo1775.png
2014-04-12 23:20 <wpwrak> that's the same ?
2014-04-12 23:20 <DocScrutinizer05> took a while to upload
2014-04-12 23:20 <DocScrutinizer05> I been too fast
2014-04-12 23:21 <wpwrak> yes ! correct
2014-04-12 23:21 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
2014-04-12 23:21 <DocScrutinizer05> hah!
2014-04-12 23:22 <wpwrak> there are four apartments per floor. i'm in the northwestern one
2014-04-12 23:22 <wpwrak> the one with the smaller northern "outer" terrace (and the larger southern "inner" terrace)
2014-04-12 23:23 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, so this http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/13/plasma-desktopgB1775.png is not your table?
2014-04-12 23:23 <wpwrak> the little "house" between the terraces is the head of the stairs. and in the middle of the building is a larger "house" with some of the infrastructure stuff, water tanks, pumps, etc.
2014-04-12 23:24 <DocScrutinizer05> aaag
2014-04-12 23:25 <DocScrutinizer05> aaah even
2014-04-12 23:25 <DocScrutinizer05> infra
2014-04-12 23:25 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly the ideal place to mount the windmill on top
2014-04-12 23:25 <wpwrak> naw, that's on the shared terrace in the middle. (well, or rather "no used except for infrastructure things")
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2014-04-12 23:28 <wpwrak> the new google maps may actually have an image from after i moved in
2014-04-12 23:29 <wpwrak> there's a dark spot where my grill is located and a brighter spot where i keep a box (thought the color seems wrong)
2014-04-12 23:29 <DocScrutinizer05> the wonders of (image)stitching, or you got really futuristic architects in argentina? http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/13/plasma-desktopIT1775.png
2014-04-12 23:29 <wpwrak> ;-))
2014-04-12 23:30 <wpwrak> that's what happens when the storm breaks the barrier of sound :)
2014-04-12 23:31 <wpwrak> on bing the building looks even thinner :)
2014-04-12 23:31 <DocScrutinizer05> hehe. might be beneficial for you, I wondered if you need the blinds because of this particularly wry building
2014-04-12 23:32 <DocScrutinizer05> I haven't counted but seems it has even more than 15 floors
2014-04-12 23:32 <DocScrutinizer05> 18, now I counted them
2014-04-12 23:33 <wpwrak> well, street level is 0, terrace would be 16. no floors below street level
2014-04-12 23:33 <wpwrak> anything else are optical illusions or incrementer bugs :)
2014-04-12 23:34 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway seems there are higher buildings in your neighborhood. Thus the blinds?
2014-04-12 23:34 <DocScrutinizer05> I hate when other people can look into my windows
2014-04-12 23:36 <DocScrutinizer05> that's why I always keep the "curtains" closed - actually it's deco paper pinned to the windows
2014-04-12 23:36 <DocScrutinizer05> need to change that stuff for fresh ones eventually
2014-04-12 23:36 <DocScrutinizer05> it suffers from my smoking
2014-04-12 23:38 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, dark spot grill?
2014-04-12 23:38 <wpwrak> they're not very close. i don't feel observed. no, the blinds are only for the sun
2014-04-12 23:40 <wpwrak> i have an "oil drum" grill, black. like this: http://www.hogardesign.com.ar/articulos-chulengo-%C2%A8ne%C2%A8/485-2328/index.html
2014-04-12 23:41 <wpwrak> they're great when there's wind. you can just close them and nothing will disturb 'em.
2014-04-12 23:42 <DocScrutinizer05> and you think it's there between the "house" and the white spot?
2014-04-12 23:43 <wpwrak> that's where the real thing is located, yes. dunno if that spot is the grill or some artefact, though
2014-04-12 23:45 <DocScrutinizer05> dang, I always forget you're living on the other hemisphere. got puzzled when trying to find out which time of day that photo been taken
2014-04-12 23:45 <wpwrak> the sun is always in the north :)
2014-04-12 23:45 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah
2014-04-12 23:46 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
2014-04-12 23:46 <DocScrutinizer05> would prolly kill me
2014-04-12 23:46 <DocScrutinizer05> and it moves "from right to left", correct?
2014-04-12 23:46 <wpwrak> you hardly notice
2014-04-12 23:47 <wpwrak> yup
2014-04-12 23:47 <DocScrutinizer05> hardly notice? hardly!
2014-04-12 23:47 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd probably live in a constant feeling of time running backwards
2014-04-12 23:48 <wpwrak> you're the first person who even mentions that. i think we automatically adjust within a few sunrises and sunsets and aren't even consciously aware of it
2014-04-12 23:48 <wpwrak> well, maybe except for sailors
2014-04-12 23:48 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe my mind works in a certain way not exactly standard
2014-04-12 23:49 <DocScrutinizer05> I suspect since long time that my filter layer does less abstraction than usually
2014-04-12 23:49 <wpwrak> we probably tell the day mainly by height of the sun and whether it has passed the zenith or not. so rough guess / memory plus exact position
2014-04-12 23:49 <DocScrutinizer05> some think this is also the root cause of autism
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2014-04-12 23:50 <wpwrak> what's much more noticeable are changes in day length
2014-04-12 23:50 <wpwrak> yeah, different data processing
2014-04-12 23:52 <DocScrutinizer05> then OTOH I actually adapt pretty easily to new stuff, like gas and break pedal swapped in one of my former cars
2014-04-12 23:53 <DocScrutinizer05> luckily it been an automatic
2014-04-12 23:53 <DocScrutinizer05> so no clutch to operate
2014-04-12 23:55 <wpwrak> what ? pedals swapped ? what sort of madman does that ?
2014-04-12 23:55 <DocScrutinizer05> a one legged woman
2014-04-12 23:55 <wpwrak> okay, so not a madman ;-)
2014-04-12 23:56 <DocScrutinizer05> I can't recall anymore if I used left or right leg to drive this car
2014-04-12 23:57 <DocScrutinizer05> which is a bit concerning since I owned it longer than a year
2014-04-12 23:57 <DocScrutinizer05> I think I tried both
2014-04-12 23:58 <DocScrutinizer05> but actually the gas pedal been too far left for confortable operation with right foot
2014-04-12 23:58 <DocScrutinizer05> throttle?
2014-04-12 23:58 <DocScrutinizer05> accelerator?
2014-04-12 23:59 <DocScrutinizer05> thrust? ;-P