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2014-04-10 02:23 * whitequark has devised an interesting system for data storage
2014-04-10 02:23 <whitequark> you know dropbox, right?
2014-04-10 02:23 <whitequark> well, it will be sort-of dropbox clone, if you think about the interface it shows the user
2014-04-10 02:23 <whitequark> but internally, it has all-consuming maniacal paranoia
2014-04-10 02:24 <whitequark> it doesn't trust: 1) network, over which you connect to server 2) the server itself 3) whatever storage mechanism server uses 4) other peers
2014-04-10 02:24 <whitequark> taking quite some inspiration from tahoe-lafs
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2014-04-10 06:26 <wpwrak> furthermore, it shall distrust: users, the CPU hardware, cryptography, causality
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2014-04-10 11:38 <whitequark> that's not a bad idea in general, but no, not in this one :)
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2014-04-10 14:00 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: you wondered about web.de passwords. here you are: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Heartbleed-Yahoo-und-Web-de-raten-zum-Passwortwechsel-2167630.html
2014-04-10 14:04 <wpwrak> eintopf: one issue with making at86rf23x start sending before all data is in the chip's buffer is that you have to be sure you don't get any unexpected delays between commanding the transmission and the and of the data transfer
2014-04-10 14:07 <wpwrak> eintopf: in linux, you usually can't guarantee this yet it may still work most of the time. you should therefore be prepared to handle a frame buffer underrun (access violation)
2014-04-10 14:08 <wpwrak> ... aka TRX_UR interrupt
2014-04-10 14:16 <DocScrutinizer05> wpwrak: thanks and http://www.heise.de/security/artikel/Passwoerter-in-Gefahr-was-nun-2167584.html
2014-04-10 14:17 <wpwrak> yeah. so you still have to decide :)
2014-04-10 14:17 <DocScrutinizer05> I wonder if the passwords that bleeded were simple to associate to the *account data*
2014-04-10 14:17 <wpwrak> probably yes
2014-04-10 14:17 <wpwrak> well, the account name
2014-04-10 14:18 <DocScrutinizer05> I mean, I can share 5 passwords here: abcde  12345  qwerty password marry
2014-04-10 14:19 <DocScrutinizer05> those are not *my* passwords, so they are useless to you
2014-04-10 14:19 <wpwrak> (stuff about at86rf23x) oops, wrong channel :( don't type stuff before morning caffeine ...
2014-04-10 14:20 <wpwrak> DocScrutinizer05: the data they catch is most likely "DocScrutinizer05/IwantApony7". so they have full login information
2014-04-10 14:20 <eintopf> wpwrak: Yes I know that, there is a irq for frame buffer underrun (access violation)
2014-04-10 14:20 <eintopf> and the bad news
2014-04-10 14:20 <eintopf> the irq occurs :)
2014-04-10 14:21 <wpwrak> eintopf: reposted on the right channel :)
2014-04-10 14:21 <DocScrutinizer05> hmmm
2014-04-10 14:21 <DocScrutinizer05> tok me an agonizing while to get to this screen  http://wstaw.org/m/2014/04/10/plasma-desktopcT1775.png
2014-04-10 14:21 <DocScrutinizer05> took
2014-04-10 14:22 <DocScrutinizer05> not the tiny "your password dosn't need to get changed"
2014-04-10 14:22 <DocScrutinizer05> note
2014-04-10 14:22 <wpwrak> do they explain what they base the recommendation on ? does it even refer to heartbleed ?
2014-04-10 14:22 <DocScrutinizer05> no
2014-04-10 14:22 <wpwrak> if they have mandatory periodic password changes, it could be an indicator of that
2014-04-10 14:23 <DocScrutinizer05> it's incredibly difficult to even get to there
2014-04-10 14:23 <DocScrutinizer05> they don't
2014-04-10 14:24 <wpwrak> getting security right is hard. you really have to use that heavy grey mass that normally only serves to balance the head
2014-04-10 14:24 <wpwrak> for web.de, this may be a first ;-)
2014-04-10 14:24 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed
2014-04-10 14:24 <DocScrutinizer05> no matter what you do, they always kick you back from https:// to http://
2014-04-10 14:25 <DocScrutinizer05> great¡ >:-(
2014-04-10 14:25 <DocScrutinizer05> seems they somewhat partially stopped that habit though
2014-04-10 14:26 <wpwrak> thanks to snowden perhaps
2014-04-10 14:26 <DocScrutinizer05> yet without JS the site is rubbish/junk
2014-04-10 14:26 <wpwrak> and just when you thought you were safe if you didn't log in in the last few days: http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/04/heartbleed-vulnerability-may-have-been-exploited-months-before-patch/
2014-04-10 14:27 <DocScrutinizer05> and the first time I logged in they instantly kicked me "for security reasons" and next time they complained that I didn't log out ;-P
2014-04-10 14:27 <DocScrutinizer05> well, that's been obvious
2014-04-10 14:28 <DocScrutinizer05> may nave been exploited since 2 years, I'd say
2014-04-10 14:29 <DocScrutinizer05> even worse: I learned they also might have attacked *my* PC when I connected to a https:// URL
2014-04-10 14:29 <wpwrak> naw, not obvious. we didn't know it have been independently discovered
2014-04-10 14:29 <wpwrak> what they're saying is that evidence for heartbleed attacks have been found in honeypot going back as far as november 2013
2014-04-10 14:29 <DocScrutinizer05> ooooh
2014-04-10 14:30 <DocScrutinizer05> no surprise though
2014-04-10 14:30 <DocScrutinizer05> I had taken bets
2014-04-10 14:30 <wpwrak> seems that *someone* is reviewing that openssl code. it's just not the ones responsible ...
2014-04-10 14:31 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm just pondering a staeful packet inspection firewall that has a list of "hot terms"
2014-04-10 14:32 <wpwrak> some people may just record everything that goes to their honeypot. then, when something happens that makes them suspicious, they can examine the whole history of their traffic for clues
2014-04-10 14:33 <DocScrutinizer05> of course such firewall MUST be bomb proven by itself, otherwise it might make for a really worthy target
2014-04-10 14:33 <wpwrak> the recording in such a honeypot could be completely passive
2014-04-10 14:34 <DocScrutinizer05> sure sure, honeypot. fine. but hardly feasible for your private PC to harden it
2014-04-10 14:34 <wpwrak> a 1 TB disk would be enough for about a day of sustained 100 Mbps traffic. and a honeypot probably gets a lot less
2014-04-10 14:34 <wpwrak> naw, but for security firms. 1 disk per day is peanuts if it's part of your business
2014-04-10 14:35 <DocScrutinizer05> yep, I know a bit about how those companies work
2014-04-10 14:35 <DocScrutinizer05> most amazing thing is: how do they get all those IPs out of alien ranges
2014-04-10 14:36 <DocScrutinizer05> I mean, how would I set up a honeypot that has an IP that looks like it was in IBM offices India?
2014-04-10 14:37 <DocScrutinizer05> and they probably not only want the IP but also the traceroute look plausible
2014-04-10 14:38 <wpwrak> just put your own content there ? e.g., who really knows who is behind pics.nase-bohren.de ? :)
2014-04-10 14:38 <DocScrutinizer05> OK, to a certain degree you can fake traceroute
2014-04-10 14:39 <wpwrak> maybe fakebook is just one big honeypot and they record EVERYTHING ;)
2014-04-10 14:39 <DocScrutinizer05> that's been the basic idea when they invented it
2014-04-10 14:39 <DocScrutinizer05> but look e.g. here http://www.digitalattackmap.com/#anim=1&color=0&country=ALL&time=16104&view=map
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2014-04-10 14:41 <DocScrutinizer05> those dudes need other service contracts with internet providers than any mere mortal
2014-04-10 14:42 <wpwrak> heh, nice one :)
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2014-04-10 14:43 <wpwrak> malaysia has some domestic issues :)
2014-04-10 14:44 <DocScrutinizer05> watch "the movie"!
2014-04-10 14:45 <DocScrutinizer05> dafaq! ~dec-1.  2013
2014-04-10 14:45 <DocScrutinizer05> and mid of January
2014-04-10 14:46 <DocScrutinizer05> Feb 8
2014-04-10 14:46 <DocScrutinizer05> USA nukes itself
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2014-04-10 14:48 <DocScrutinizer05> and 5 days ago korea got pretty active
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2014-04-10 16:26 <sb0> roh, is there a CNC mill at RFA?
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2014-04-10 17:03 <Web-aptosid876_> what other mips pocket computers are there?
2014-04-10 17:04 <Web-aptosid876_> NN,GCW,Dingoo A320....
2014-04-10 17:07 <zrafa> RMS ultrabook stolen
2014-04-10 17:07 <zrafa> :)
2014-04-10 17:10 <Web-aptosid876_> again?
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2014-04-10 21:00 <dos1> oh well...
2014-04-10 21:00 <dos1> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/04/wild-heart-were-intelligence-agencies-using-heartbleed-november-2013
2014-04-10 21:02 <dos1> and someone posted this comment on facebook under that article: http://pastebin.com/1zYdCiSw
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2014-04-10 22:00 <Web-aptosid876_> dos1: pastebin isn't friendly to tor users
2014-04-10 22:01 <Web-aptosid876_> try pastebay.com
2014-04-10 22:01 <dos1> it's pointing to http://cryptome.org/0001/nsa-ip-update14.htm and http://cryptome.org/2014/03/nsa-zologize.htm and noting that there's an entry "193.0.0.0 - 193.255.255.255 (subranges are NSA-affiliated and/or NSA fully-controlled)" which match IPs reported by EFF
2014-04-10 22:13 <Web-aptosid876_> thanks
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2014-04-10 23:52 <w3bspl0it> hello