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I use a systemtray also 2014-03-31 08:00 7GB *just for email* 2014-03-31 08:00 akonady, the greatest thing since black plague 2014-03-31 08:02 hmm,. my desktop, command in order or frequency of use: Ctrl-Cursor, switch virtual screen. Left-click: a little menu comes up that lets me start xterm, plus a few other things i rarely use (i just start everything else from xterms). Right-click: like of active windows. that's it :) loneg live fvwm ! 2014-03-31 08:02 task manager doesn't show number of grouped windows anymore 2014-03-31 08:04 desktop? never see that 2014-03-31 08:05 all I'm using is the taskmanager bar at top of screen, and the menu and widgets in the errr plasma bar 2014-03-31 08:06 all my windows are fullsize 2014-03-31 08:06 and I rarely ever use multiple virtual screens 2014-03-31 08:07 rather I switch between widows with alt-tab 2014-03-31 08:07 all full-size ? you should use the ratpoison windoe manager then 2014-03-31 08:10 wpwrak: :O I use fvwm as well 2014-03-31 08:14 FDCX has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-31 08:19 good choice ! :) 2014-03-31 08:25 atommann has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-31 09:57 dos1 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-31 10:25 dos1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-03-31 10:34 atommann has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-03-31 10:49 xiangfu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-03-31 11:13 jekhor_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-03-31 11:13 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-31 11:50 atommann has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-31 12:12 idundidit has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-03-31 12:23 idundidit has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-31 12:24 xiangfu has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-31 12:39 jekhor has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-03-31 12:43 wolfspraul has quit [Quit: leaving] 2014-03-31 13:51 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-31 13:52 porchaso0 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-31 13:53 porchao has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 2014-03-31 14:15 xiangfu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 2014-03-31 14:22 pcercuei_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-31 14:25 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 2014-03-31 15:00 Web-aptosid876_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 2014-03-31 15:07 jekhor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-03-31 15:10 pcercuei_ is now known as zcrc 2014-03-31 15:13 Web-aptosid876_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-31 15:16 well, I'm used to this kde environment, though it turns into a bitch more and more 2014-03-31 15:17 sometime around end of KDE2 I almost worked mouseless - had kbd macros for really everything 2014-03-31 15:17 with kde3 stuf got better and worse - with kde4 it turned into a mess 2014-03-31 15:18 use gnome-shell <3 2014-03-31 15:20 and what really makes me want to go BERSERK are the regressions introduced because of ignorance and incompetence, often even intentionally 2014-03-31 15:21 gnome however is so UGH, I tried it once when it came as default "alternative" to KDE, several years ago, and I don't like it - I even developed a hate for all tools starting with g* 2014-03-31 15:22 gconf for example 2014-03-31 15:22 gvfs 2014-03-31 15:22 well, gstreamer is kinda nice 2014-03-31 15:23 I'm honestly surprised kdbus isn't named gbus 2014-03-31 15:23 my only problem with Gnome software is that it tends to be very buggy 2014-03-31 15:24 yes 2014-03-31 15:24 that too 2014-03-31 15:24 and despite the "KISS" approach it has, compared to KDE 2014-03-31 15:26 my desktop is so heavily cistomized, you wouldn't be able to tell what it is, on first glance. And I'm having a several days of redoing customizations on every update. Last one been ~12h ago 2014-03-31 15:26 .s/sistom/custom/ 2014-03-31 15:26 in gnome this would be weeks at least 2014-03-31 15:26 if feasible at all 2014-03-31 15:27 gnome seems the perfect desktop for the "install, don't touch, use 4 weeks, re-install" gang 2014-03-31 15:29 while I'm perfectly happy with my desktop staying all the same for years or even decades 2014-03-31 15:29 only minimal bugfixing and careful updates to augment a few useful functions 2014-03-31 15:30 my decorations still look like win3.11 ;-) 2014-03-31 15:30 *of course* "classic style" appstarter menu 2014-03-31 15:32 http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/31/plasma-desktopmy3862.png 2014-03-31 15:33 I soliloquize 2014-03-31 15:34 feels windows-ish :) 2014-03-31 15:35 well, I don't care how it look. As long as it doesn't scare my autistic mind. I tell you it doesn't *feel* like windows 2014-03-31 15:37 though.... Kontact PIM starts to feel more and more exactly as clumsy and unusable like outlook 2014-03-31 15:38 just noticed the update broke the audio notifications on new mails 2014-03-31 15:39 for checking a 4600 inported mails against spamassassin it too ~5min for SA and ~45min to move the mails around from one folder to the other - in *mysql* :-o GRRRRR 2014-03-31 15:39 for a total of maybe 50 mails that actually got moved 2014-03-31 15:40 all the time spamming me every 20s with "tehre are 3 new mails in folder 'openmoko-community'" and similar nonsense 2014-03-31 15:41 while mySQL eate one of my 4 cores of this i5 2014-03-31 15:41 ate* 2014-03-31 15:42 dunno WTF this SQL devel did to poor mySQL, in Kontact/kmail 2014-03-31 15:42 or rather, AKONADI-crap 2014-03-31 15:43 a 8h ago I had to restart akonadi, since it constantly spammed my internet connection with IMAP chitchat to my OM mailserver, at a rate of 45kB/s 2014-03-31 15:44 even while Kontact been completely stopped. This doesn't mean a thing to this akonadi abomination, it continues to fetch mail in background. W*T*F???? 2014-03-31 15:49 a little riddle for you: what's the difference between http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/31/plasma-desktopTK3862.png and http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/31/plasma-desktopCy3862.png 2014-03-31 15:52 it's a negligible "audio muted" - of course making it *any* more obvious, e.g. by using *colors* (EEEEEK) like 'red' for the muted speaker symbol would probably kill the macintosh-loving designer idiot 2014-03-31 15:56 I seem to recall that in KDE2|3 icons not only were more color-happy (thus giving more and better info in the same channel "bandwidth"), but it's also way simpler to select and even design your own icons everywhere 2014-03-31 15:56 this "NO COLORS, we're modern!" mindset makes me angry 2014-03-31 15:58 just like that "no holes in the case" idea in OM GTA03 2014-03-31 15:59 perpetuated until today, and extended to the equally old "no hw buttons please" 2014-03-31 15:59 wtf is wrong with a nice hw-trigger for camera? 2014-03-31 16:00 what with a proper volume or - more generaly - PLUS / MINUS rocker 2014-03-31 16:01 well, you can have capacitative. one nice benefit is that you can make the case pretty water-tight that way 2014-03-31 16:02 especially if you don't have a lot of connectors. or can compartmentalize them. 2014-03-31 16:02 HAHA, ok. All water-resistant phones I ever seen used hw-switches all over 2014-03-31 16:03 maybe that's related that water and capacitive detection doesn't go together well 2014-03-31 16:03 (kde) i used konqueror for a very very long time. but eventually it just had too many problems rendering things. switched to chromium and like it. overall feeling is not too different and it's quite snappy. 2014-03-31 16:04 I'm not using crappy capacitive touchscreens, but I heard those iPhone and Samsung users swaer a lot when it starts raining a tiny bit 2014-03-31 16:04 (cap+water) hmm, you have a point there ... let's say "water-surviving", not "under-water-usable" :) 2014-03-31 16:04 *grin* 2014-03-31 16:06 for receptacles even more important than a flap sealing the hole in case where the jack is behind, is using of properly sealed receptackles that don't open up an aperture to the rest of device interior 2014-03-31 16:08 except for the tube of a vacuum cleaner I don't know of a single functional connection that needs an apperture to the inside of the device. Every receptacle can get built in a way so that the device as such is still "water tight" 2014-03-31 16:08 ooh, right, Oven funnel 2014-03-31 16:09 they even can built water-resistant speakers ;-) 2014-03-31 16:09 build* 2014-03-31 16:10 (funnel) yeah, a fan would need outside access ;-) 2014-03-31 16:10 see JVC control-1G 2014-03-31 16:11 (fan) depends. I can easily see a water-tight design, using heatpipe and only exposing the heatsink and the fan as such to any water outside the device 2014-03-31 16:11 and yes, i'd also try to make a "connector compartment" with walls around that end on the pcb in something rubberish. 2014-03-31 16:12 and, using a concept like your dish washer's pump, that fan doesn't even need any electricity in it 2014-03-31 16:12 the fan itself would be very environmentally sensitive. perhaps more than anything else in the device. 2014-03-31 16:14 how environmentally sensitive is a plastic propeller with a few neodyme magnets embedded into the plastic? 2014-03-31 16:16 actually virutally every contemporary PC fan is built that way. The moving parts are ony plastic with embedded magnets. The elctronic oarts are solid state and could get separated from the fan blades by a watertight wall 2014-03-31 16:16 given the type of device that would require a really tiny fan, i suspect very, no matter how you design it. of course, you could make it more or less fragile 2014-03-31 16:16 and yet they die like flies ... 2014-03-31 16:17 that's usually caused by the crappy bearings, or by idiots like me giving them a 6 bar blast form canned air 2014-03-31 16:18 actually giving that critter a nice bath would help keep it alive, by removing all the dust and gue it collects 2014-03-31 16:18 yeah, bearings are a big problem 2014-03-31 16:19 ;-) 2014-03-31 16:19 zcrc is now known as pcercuei 2014-03-31 16:19 pcercuei is now known as zcrc 2014-03-31 16:19 the bath may also remove whatever lubrication they use. not sure if it's always trivial to replace. 2014-03-31 16:19 zcrc: hah, now we know your undercover identity :) 2014-03-31 16:20 it's not. But obviously such bath isn't considered appropriate for standard fans, but for the water-tight type 2014-03-31 16:20 ok :) 2014-03-31 16:22 apropos: last laptop fan that crapped out and started screaming, I dremeled a apperture to the fanblade hub, not exactly on but close to the axis, and then flooded it with wd40. worked for another 2..3 years 2014-03-31 16:23 wpwrak: :) 2014-03-31 16:25 zcrc: back to work! 2014-03-31 16:28 duh, this DST kills me, already 18:30 2014-03-31 16:29 zcrc has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 2014-03-31 16:30 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-31 16:45 atommann has quit [Quit: Leaving] 2014-03-31 16:48 (hermetic receptacles) particularly 2.5mm 3.5mm 6.3mm and RCA jacks are often built like the case needs more ventilation holes 2014-03-31 16:56 DocScrutinizer05: was disassembling the laptop too complex? 2014-03-31 16:57 err yes, lenovo T500 is really a bitch to disassemble and clean 2014-03-31 16:58 though the defect fan been in a Siemens Amilo 2014-03-31 16:59 the T500 got a killed electronic by me overpacing the fan motor 2014-03-31 16:59 I tried to block the fan blades by some wire or match or cantrecall, but fialed 2014-03-31 16:59 failed* 2014-03-31 17:00 fan->20000RPM, oevrvoltage killed the PWM regulator electronics 2014-03-31 17:05 ugh I hate this so much 2014-03-31 17:05 the fan is always the first that dies on my thinkpads 2014-03-31 17:05 main ISP's billing is broken, so I'm left to use this crappy LTE 2014-03-31 17:06 not only SINR is constantly near 0 dB where I live, but also there is some weird path interference going on AND snow!!! 2014-03-31 17:06 why the fuck is there snow in April 2014-03-31 17:06 because you live in a doomed country ;-P 2014-03-31 17:07 technically it is only snow in March 2014-03-31 17:08 while snow in April isn't exactly unheard 2014-03-31 17:09 I remember at least one easter where it snowed 2014-03-31 17:09 you could even say, April is proverbially notorious to have rain snow hail and summer sun, on one day 2014-03-31 17:09 at least here in Germany 2014-03-31 17:10 old children's rhyme 2014-03-31 17:10 that doesn't make me hate it less 2014-03-31 17:11 anyway, crapy LTE? I'd be lucky to have *any* LTE. Though UMTS with HSPA isn't that bad here. Faster than my DSL 2014-03-31 17:11 use a proper yagi 2014-03-31 17:11 ;-) 2014-03-31 17:12 or even helical 2014-03-31 17:12 well, anything yagi... dongle doesn't have antenna slot 2014-03-31 17:12 wtf? aren't you living in Moscow? 2014-03-31 17:12 I am 2014-03-31 17:12 there's a fucking cartel of three cellular operators which care about exactly 1 thing: filling their pockets 2014-03-31 17:13 :nod: 2014-03-31 17:14 whoever came up with the spectrum licensing fees needs to be executed 2014-03-31 17:14 a dongle? great! place it where your active dipole of your yagi sits, so it couples directly to that dipole 2014-03-31 17:15 arielenter1 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-31 17:15 arielenter has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 2014-03-31 17:15 you even could use a simple sat dish 2014-03-31 17:16 800MHz is already short enough a wavelength, 1800..2100MHz definitely is 2014-03-31 17:17 check out what the WLAN antenna freaks do, google words: "pringle antenna", "sat dish + WLAN" 2014-03-31 17:18 plcing the dongle at focus of the dish, preferrably in a pringle tube, is as convenient and easy to build and cable up as it gets 2014-03-31 17:18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWAvGLE8khs 2014-03-31 17:19 arielenter1 has quit [Client Quit] 2014-03-31 17:19 yes, a video, thank you so much 2014-03-31 17:20 I can't even load my webmail for ten minutes already 2014-03-31 17:20 irssi barely works 2014-03-31 17:20 hm. gotta give a call to these fuckers who provide my landline. 2014-03-31 17:22 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6LkQ53vRJI 2014-03-31 17:22 ooh, sorry 2014-03-31 17:25 hm, I'm impressed 2014-03-31 17:25 I waited for only about 1 minute and they turned it on without much questions 2014-03-31 17:26 whitequark: why was it down in the first place then ? 2014-03-31 17:26 wpwrak: broken billing 2014-03-31 17:27 whitequark: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantenna 2014-03-31 17:28 ooh, you fixed it :-) 2014-03-31 17:28 well, then maybe for next time you need WWAN 2014-03-31 17:30 dos1 has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-31 17:32 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-31 17:32 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN_1oe3z7EQ&index=4&list=PLAD9E0AC25CE1CC11 2014-03-31 17:35 arielenter has quit [Client Quit] 2014-03-31 17:36 whitequark: ah, that's fun 2014-03-31 17:41 http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/has.html 2014-03-31 17:46 great! http://www.turnpoint.net/wireless/cantennahowto.html 2014-03-31 17:59 also http://www.freeantennas.com/projects/template/ and specially for whitequark: http://www.heise.de/artikel-archiv/ch/2012/01/022_Richtantenne-fuer-0-EUR and http://www.heise.de/artikel-archiv/ch/2012/01/028_Outdoor-Dosenantenne 2014-03-31 17:59 yeah, thanks 2014-03-31 18:05 DocScrutinizer05: if you were subscribed to the qi-hw list, you could do a bit of advertizing for the neo900: http://lists.en.qi-hardware.com/pipermail/discussion/2014-March/010558.html 2014-03-31 18:06 http://wstaw.org/m/2014/03/31/plasma-desktopcH3862.png 2014-03-31 18:08 hah 2014-03-31 18:10 wpwrak: >> That leaves a few others -- firefox os, ubuntu touch, Neo900 and so forth.<< 2014-03-31 18:11 pcercuei has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-31 18:11 freedeom has its price 2014-03-31 18:14 _not: using a fsckng combo-SoC with integrated modem *is* way more expensive than a snapdragon crap where your frankenstein kernel needs to run based on a closed-source android RIL and modem shares RAM with linux and nothing protects you from modem taking over control over the whole system, possibly without you even noticing 2014-03-31 18:14 I'd relly like to get a neo900. (would "solve" my NN noisey sound problem :) ). but it's finding the £££. :( my money for these things comes from a trust fund but a neo900 is 1year's of trustfund and I need that money for other gear arrrr. but i want a neo900 ..... 2014-03-31 18:15 I gess i need to get some one off jobs for the money :P 2014-03-31 18:15 well, yeah. That hurts but we decided to build it _nevertheless_ even while we can't do anything about the pricetag 2014-03-31 18:16 trust fund? 2014-03-31 18:16 350 preorders convinced us that it's feasible, I was pretty sceptical about it when we started that project 2014-03-31 18:17 it's great that there pressing on despite the price tag. I'll was just writing my woes. 2014-03-31 18:18 I'd love to put my self on a list of pepole whos order becomes active when X number of peole = low price 2014-03-31 18:18 a bit like what rhombus-tech.net have for there preorder pages 2014-03-31 18:20 this way I don't have to commit £100 and then not be able to pay the other £500 later. but you and other buyers see that X number will buy with X number of total buyers = lower price 2014-03-31 18:21 for me I think when 1000 is reached it then becomes a bit easyir to afford but I still havn't worked out where my money is commming form 2014-03-31 18:22 I get a few-serval hunder £ each year from family biz. (I'm 19 years old now) 2014-03-31 18:22 thats what I mean by trustfund 2014-03-31 18:23 money thats in a trust 2014-03-31 18:23 So I'm very lucky. 2014-03-31 18:26 so DocScrutinizer05 your involved in neo900? is there a list of buyers when price is ? 2014-03-31 18:28 well, I think I'm kind of "involved", yeah. We don't publish a list of buyers, we may not for privacy reasons 2014-03-31 18:30 rz2k has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-31 18:30 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-31 18:33 rz2k has quit [Client Quit] 2014-03-31 18:34 Web-aptosid876_: he's main driving force behind Neo900, in more roles - technical as other - than i can imagine ;-) 2014-03-31 18:36 I don't mean a list of who and who I mean a number 2014-03-31 18:37 wolfspraul has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-31 18:37 yes, we will find a way to show the "stock exchange fluctuations" of pricetag once real ordering starts 2014-03-31 18:38 but we need to take a high risk beforehand by guessing how naby devices we may sell, and sourcing the components for that amount we hope we can sell. Sourcing components may take 3..6months or not work at all, so we need to start with that *now* 2014-03-31 18:39 so only the ones who did a "preorder" donation are warranted to get a device - when anybody gets any 2014-03-31 18:40 and once you have found source for all components the ones you found first are already end of line ;) 2014-03-31 18:40 we might simply "run out of stock" pretty soon 2014-03-31 18:40 larsc: those components I am talking about here are EOL since ~4 years 2014-03-31 18:41 so when the price can be £400 then all the buyers who's price limit was set to £400 then automatically, there conditional order becomes a order. this way you see you have this $many possable orders 2014-03-31 18:41 stuff like slider mechanism, display, digitizer, keymat 2014-03-31 18:41 arr oh dear. there's pressure for me to put one in 2014-03-31 18:42 camera module, antennae 2014-03-31 18:42 domesheet 2014-03-31 18:42 main flex cable 2014-03-31 18:43 basically it's still a "get a N900 and swap the mainboard" thing, not a production of a new shiny (more or less) device 2014-03-31 18:46 DocScrutinizer05: but you'll do that too, now that you have full control, right ? 2014-03-31 18:47 well, s/'ll/ plan to/ of course, it's a new can of worms, with new things that could go wrong 2014-03-31 18:48 full control? 2014-03-31 18:48 and since that's not nightmare-ish enough yet, to make it worse we don't know yet how many donors hope for a complete device and how many would be content with a mainboard to swap on their own N900. And the tax office and GDC's tax advisors don't find a way to transfer the donations to the Neo900 UG, and I'm probably not able to order *anything* any time soon 2014-03-31 18:50 so later this year or next year I guess realistically? 2014-03-31 18:50 yeah, I hope so 2014-03-31 18:50 I can tell you that I'll need a completely device 2014-03-31 18:51 right now Neo900 development in Munich is pretty slow due to a colliding concurrent job that for unclear reasons got priority: Pyra 2014-03-31 18:54 Pyra? 2014-03-31 18:54 http://dragonbox-pyra.org/ 2014-03-31 18:55 "Pyra: Ang Babaeng Apoy is a Filipino drama of GMA Network." must be that one :) 2014-03-31 18:56 hmm. mind if I dare ask for suggestions for a small device with good sound output, usb host?, and maybe free-wifi? bouns: good audio line-in 2014-03-31 18:57 jekhor has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 2014-03-31 18:58 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-31 18:58 any smartphone really 2014-03-31 19:00 sounds to me as if dr. nik is taking the neo900 money and using it for founding a different device ;) 2014-03-31 19:03 larsc: don't open OpenPandora's box ... 2014-03-31 19:03 hehe 2014-03-31 19:04 small device must be free software only. no spyphones 2014-03-31 19:04 esp for networking 2014-03-31 19:04 especially 2014-03-31 19:05 then you don't really have much choice 2014-03-31 19:05 nn i guess :P 2014-03-31 19:05 or neo900 2014-03-31 19:06 no usb host or wifi or line-in (I think?) and apparently no good sound output 2014-03-31 19:06 neo900 doesn't exist yet 2014-03-31 19:06 Web-aptosid876_: well, here's an idea for you 2014-03-31 19:06 I know. I'm the one with the sound woes with my NN. 2014-03-31 19:06 don't use a consumer device, rather buy a devboard. e.g. beaglebone or something like that. 2014-03-31 19:06 I was going to say... 2014-03-31 19:06 afaik beaglebone is 100% free software and I think it has most or all the features you want 2014-03-31 19:07 larsc: nope, I don't think so 2014-03-31 19:07 too big 2014-03-31 19:07 I have ordered a Improv http://makeplaylive.com 2014-03-31 19:07 pre-ordered 2014-03-31 19:08 I think I could make a fat but pocketable computer with it 2014-03-31 19:08 Web-aptosid876_: honestly? get a used cheap working N900 2014-03-31 19:08 DocScrutinizer05: that still has proprietary dialer 2014-03-31 19:08 sure 2014-03-31 19:08 what he said 2014-03-31 19:09 even the sound needs non-free this and that 2014-03-31 19:09 well, I didn't read anything about WWAN in the "specs" 2014-03-31 19:10 even if the dialer is open source the modem will probably still run a closed firmware 2014-03-31 19:10 I would have but nokia doomed it. 2014-03-31 19:10 nope, audio works just fine on ALSA level, you can even install gentoo on N900 and it "just works", except for the phone part 2014-03-31 19:10 larsc: every phone has such closed GSM stack 2014-03-31 19:10 I looked at the wiki page year or two ago, didn't look good 2014-03-31 19:10 *sshrug* 2014-03-31 19:10 DocScrutinizer05: yea, that's what I said 2014-03-31 19:11 re spy gsm stack, thats why I like the neo900. when the modem is off it's off. 2014-03-31 19:11 >>small device with good sound output, usb host?, and maybe free-wifi? bouns: good audio line-in<< the latter one only via USB audio dongle 2014-03-31 19:12 no spy GSM stack on N900 either 2014-03-31 19:12 I expect the only way for line-in is usb audio interface 2014-03-31 19:12 since N900 also has separate "detached" modem subsystem 2014-03-31 19:12 ?? what. 2014-03-31 19:13 but is the modem off when its off? 2014-03-31 19:13 basically yes 2014-03-31 19:13 so it's "off" but on 2014-03-31 19:13 lemme put it this way: when it generally wasn't, a lot of people already would've noticed that 2014-03-31 19:14 the modem's schematics are known, so no hidden microphone or anything in it 2014-03-31 19:14 so can it get upto no good when it's "off" or is it like the neo900 that it can't when it's off 2014-03-31 19:15 afaik there's no way for the modem to turn evil when it's "off", due to the firmware which never exposed such behavior 2014-03-31 19:15 so when I switch the modem off can it still be giving my positon away? sorry to be a pain 2014-03-31 19:16 and even when the modem "wakes up" out of nowhere or by command of its evil remote master, it can't do much bad 2014-03-31 19:16 I personally would be more concerned by statistics rather than singular pinpointing events 2014-03-31 19:16 which is why 99% of the time it would be off 2014-03-31 19:16 and unless you abstain from ever receiving calls, there's no way you can prevent an able party from collecting such statistics 2014-03-31 19:17 and if you never receive calls or SMS messages, honestly the usefulness of GSM is very limited in my book 2014-03-31 19:17 I hardly need to be callable by any one. 2014-03-31 19:17 no, when the modem is off, there is no known way it could give away your position, unless NSA cooperated with Nokia to create a new signed spyware firmware for the N900 and then installed that to your device when you weren't looking 2014-03-31 19:17 ok. thats a bit better :P thanks 2014-03-31 19:17 hehe 2014-03-31 19:18 I don't need gsm but it's a nice small device with good sound out and usb host 2014-03-31 19:19 but some times in the year having internet via gsm has it's uses 2014-03-31 19:19 however when the N900 isn't in airplane or tablet mode (modem off), then the N900 is one of those phones where Abby of CSI gets the GPS position without even calling the device 2014-03-31 19:19 I would expect that 2014-03-31 19:20 there's even a huge number of N900 where modem chip is broken and will definitely not work anymore 2014-03-31 19:20 oh great where lol 2014-03-31 19:20 should be pretty cheap on fleabay 2014-03-31 19:20 oh no not evilbay :( 2014-03-31 19:20 "no SIM detected" 2014-03-31 19:20 arr thansk 2014-03-31 19:22 http://www.google.de/search?q=n900+no+sim+detected 2014-03-31 19:23 High Tech Fix For "Nokia N900: All telephony functions are disabled" 2014-03-31 19:26 LOL! beware of scam: http://www.mobiledeviceworkshop.co.uk/nokia-n900-sim-card-reader-repair-service-1439-p.asp - it's NOT the sim card tray that's broken when N900 says "no SIM detected" or "All telephony functions disabled" 2014-03-31 19:27 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-31 19:28 arielenter has quit [Client Quit] 2014-03-31 19:28 Hehe, hit #18 is already http://projects.goldelico.com/p/neo900/issues/518/ 2014-03-31 19:32 so there a distro for the neo900 with no nokia non-free junk? 2014-03-31 19:32 what about support and updates (like security updates) 2014-03-31 19:32 dead I assume 2014-03-31 19:33 jekhor has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 2014-03-31 19:36 there are several "distros" adapted to N900. And N900 being a discontinued product, it doesn't receive any product level industrial support, it's up to the community to provide such support and updates 2014-03-31 19:36 for maemo fremantle see http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU 2014-03-31 19:37 or just #maemo-ssu 2014-03-31 19:37 >>Latest version: Testing(2014-01-01): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9.1; Stable(2013-06-18): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo6.1<< doesn't smell 'dead' 2014-03-31 19:37 sound good :) 2014-03-31 19:40 for the fun: http://www.tuug.fi/~toni/serendipity/index.php?/archives/9-Windows-NT-4.0-running-on-N900!.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DThOHGb2rr0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxMYuCHxBgE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNo6pn-dnSQ 2014-03-31 19:44 for more serious: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywkWbb_BetI 2014-03-31 19:44 demonstrated and uploaded by Sebastian, who's Neo900 PR-manager :-) 2014-03-31 19:47 definitely no "proprietary crap" in SHR 2014-03-31 19:48 yep. 2014-03-31 19:48 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=62152 2014-03-31 19:49 and of course those threads I started, like http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 2014-03-31 19:56 Web-aptosid876_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 2014-03-31 19:58 arielenter has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-31 20:09 Web-aptosid876_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-31 20:13 pcercuei_ has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-31 20:14 pcercuei has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 2014-03-31 20:18 btw what about a composite input 4inch lcd + http://minipute.com/2013/07/04/mk808c-tv-stick-debuts-with-dual-core-cpu-and-av-output/ 2014-03-31 20:28 hmm? 2014-03-31 20:29 for your needs? sounds like it could fit 2014-03-31 20:29 well software suport for the mk808c. its a20 same as the a20 eoma card/improv i've preorded. 2014-03-31 20:30 no idea 2014-03-31 20:30 wifi =non-free blob? can't find info. tried elinux website 2014-03-31 20:31 it's kinda what I have planed for my improv 2014-03-31 20:31 to make my improv into a fat pocket computer 2014-03-31 20:32 with pro £100 usb audio interface for a portable audio recorder 2014-03-31 20:32 :) 2014-03-31 20:32 hench I lack money for a neo900 2014-03-31 20:33 jekhor has joined #qi-hardware 2014-03-31 20:33 I wonder if Neo900 could use tosslink 2014-03-31 20:33 ? 2014-03-31 20:33 but then, wtf? USB should be good enough 2014-03-31 20:34 toslink 2014-03-31 20:34 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOSLINK 2014-03-31 20:34 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Minitoslink.png 2014-03-31 20:36 interesting 2014-03-31 20:36 "combined 3.5 mm jack and mini-TOSLINK socket" 2014-03-31 20:36 but way too expensive and technically demanding, for unclear benefir over USB 2014-03-31 20:36 benefit* 2014-03-31 20:37 so keyword's to find support info for mk808c? 2014-03-31 20:37 yep 2014-03-31 20:37 hmmm weird, why does toslink has so tiny operating range? 2014-03-31 20:37 tiny like 10..30m? 2014-03-31 20:37 well, yeah, dunno why 2014-03-31 20:38 prolly because they don't use laser and monomode fibers 2014-03-31 20:38 why not? 2014-03-31 20:38 still need those DAC's so might as well use the universal usb audio interface I'm going to spend £100 on :) 2014-03-31 20:38 on multimode fiber a |_| after a few meters looks like \_/ 2014-03-31 20:39 for multipath light propagation with different length 2014-03-31 20:40 so there's nothing like the NN or with out keyboard with usb host? 2014-03-31 20:40 maybe without keyboard, ie mini tablet thing 2014-03-31 20:41 I think there's a truckload of different android (mini-)tablet models by now 2014-03-31 20:42 the newer ones even should support hostmode 2014-03-31 20:42 not android. cheep china android things = gpl violation 99% likely 2014-03-31 20:43 sorry, I'm out 2014-03-31 20:43 ok 2014-03-31 20:44 what about Archos devices? tried #archos but it's doomed with non-free blobs 2014-03-31 20:44 tried asking on 2014-03-31 20:48 get an openpandora! 2014-03-31 20:49 hmm thought about it but... if i'm being fussy non-free wifi blob. I'll have a look again 2014-03-31 20:51 ooo evilbay: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OpenPandora-Pandora-Black-Handheld-System-/221405125168?pt=UK_VideoGames_VideoGameConsoles_VideoGameConsoles&hash=item338cc61a30 2014-03-31 20:52 so much for £1 starting bid: http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/Consoles-/139971/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=openpandora&LH_Complete=1&rt=nc 2014-03-31 20:52 hehe 2014-03-31 21:02 oh my. I thought the openpandora was not in production any more. 2014-03-31 21:02 but it likes like it's busy busy 2014-03-31 21:02 looks like 2014-03-31 21:03 < DocScrutinizer05> get an openpandora! 2014-03-31 21:03 get a gcw zero :o 2014-03-31 21:03 hmm? 2014-03-31 21:04 looked at gcw zero. looks like it's software is not indev anymore 2014-03-31 21:04 lol 2014-03-31 21:04 theres some bugs with usb otg = host? 2014-03-31 21:04 are you saying that I'm not working fast enough? 2014-03-31 21:04 oh. sorry 2014-03-31 21:05 a "i'm alive note and slowing doning some work here and there" would be nice :P 2014-03-31 21:07 http://boards.dingoonity.org/gcw-general/are-there-news-about-the-next-firmware-release/msg100778/#msg100778 2014-03-31 21:08 flip I missed it when I was reading that thread 2014-03-31 21:08 the bugs we have with USB is with hot-plugging 2014-03-31 21:08 I fixed that not so long ago so that hot-plugging works, but I'm still not certain that it's secure enough to enable it by default on the firmware 2014-03-31 21:09 arr not so good for a on the go portable audio recording =D 2014-03-31 21:10 hmm oh choices choices 2014-03-31 21:11 perhaps add a sig to your forum profile "I'm the GCW Zero dev" or something 2014-03-31 21:11 and get lots of angry PMs? no way :) 2014-03-31 21:11 lol 2014-03-31 21:12 btw that dam forum is behind cloud whats-it = tor users blocked grrr 2014-03-31 21:13 angry PM? then you're soing sth wrong ;-P 2014-03-31 21:13 doing* 2014-03-31 21:13 open panda has keybaord & looks more converance of my non gaming needed 2014-03-31 21:14 convent 2014-03-31 21:14 maybe 2014-03-31 21:14 DocScrutinizer05: people just want their candy 2014-03-31 21:15 I'm not going to use it as a games console. a note taker, audio recorder, music player, address book, todo list, etc 2014-03-31 21:15 get the right "avatar", they will reconsider X-P 2014-03-31 21:15 get a cheap Android phone 2014-03-31 21:16 that would work better as a PDA ... 2014-03-31 21:19 been there done that, yuck. evil corps, non-free software, after 2years no more suport = disposable junk, citezen servalance device. never. I won't make the same mistake again. never ever 2014-03-31 21:21 does the gwc zero need non-free firmware/driver for the wifi? 2014-03-31 21:21 the driver is FOSS, but it has a non-free firmware 2014-03-31 21:22 there is a FOSS version in mainline Linux, but it doesn't work as good 2014-03-31 21:22 that's the only non-free bit that we have on the full software stack, by the way 2014-03-31 21:22 even the GPU driver is FOSS 2014-03-31 21:22 thanks for the info. could you add that info to the website for people like me please :) 2014-03-31 21:23 oh the GPU's been revsengearied wohoo! 2014-03-31 21:24 if I don't so that sort of info when I'm looking at product, I lose hope ;) 2014-03-31 21:24 I'm not in charge of the website 2014-03-31 21:24 ok, or the wiki at least 2014-03-31 21:24 someone any one :) 2014-03-31 21:25 but yea thanks very much 2014-03-31 21:36 I remmber now. I can't even buy a gcw zero. thats why I gave up. 2014-03-31 21:36 no stock 2014-03-31 21:36 where are you located? 2014-03-31 21:36 uk 2014-03-31 21:36 Thinkgeek should have stock 2014-03-31 21:36